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yes Lower, I too get that line.
On another note, I have had a look at the financial result,(FAAA) the wages are high!
Does anyone know how much MM and AS pay themselves!
I mean not just wages, the total package.
Just interested, and I would also love to know the last time they flew, someone told me MM hasnt flown for over 6 years.
I think he may have lost touch of what its like, and his position as a CSS has drastically changed, I think he will get a huge shock.
I wonder what his opinion of the JFK shuttle will be then!
Hmmm all opinions welcome!
On another note, I have had a look at the financial result,(FAAA) the wages are high!
Does anyone know how much MM and AS pay themselves!
I mean not just wages, the total package.
Just interested, and I would also love to know the last time they flew, someone told me MM hasnt flown for over 6 years.
I think he may have lost touch of what its like, and his position as a CSS has drastically changed, I think he will get a huge shock.
I wonder what his opinion of the JFK shuttle will be then!
Hmmm all opinions welcome!
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Here come the FAAA spin doctors!
Oh by the way PRO %$% I never said I wanted to run! I simply want to know what they are paid and when was the last time they (MM AS) flew?
This is no way negates my support for the FAAA, since when has it been a crime to ask questions!
Oh by the way PRO %$% I never said I wanted to run! I simply want to know what they are paid and when was the last time they (MM AS) flew?
This is no way negates my support for the FAAA, since when has it been a crime to ask questions!
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So you want brain dead robots who don't think ,just follow blindly?
To me trust is something that has to be earned , so if you have any answers about our questions instead of sarcasm then answer us.
The current leadership came in telling us how pathetic the previous ones were(3 blind mice I think was the term) but get very upset if anyone has the temerity to question them and their decisions let alone their results and performance.
I think I will call the current leadership,the 3 amigo's......or maybe the 3 sisters
So you want brain dead robots who don't think ,just follow blindly?
To me trust is something that has to be earned , so if you have any answers about our questions instead of sarcasm then answer us.
The current leadership came in telling us how pathetic the previous ones were(3 blind mice I think was the term) but get very upset if anyone has the temerity to question them and their decisions let alone their results and performance.
I think I will call the current leadership,the 3 amigo's......or maybe the 3 sisters
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tow-truck and his "questions:
tow-truck...
the only spin doctor is yourself.
You continually make baseless accusations. Instead of your constant insinuations framed in the form of questions why don't you simply ring the union and ask them directly rather than your constant and transparent mischief making in here.
What relevance is it as to when MM flew? He heads the FAAA and like every other head of the FAAA before him, he performs a full time function heading a multi-million FAAA and responsible for the working lives of over 4000 Qantas and Australian Airlines crew.
Tow truck you must be a twisted and embittered former FAAA person.
Furthermore, i rang the FAAA ....Mijatov flew up to October 2003 just as negotiations commenced on Divisional Flying and then in March 2004 he became the head of the union.
Thats just short of 23 months not the 6 years that you claim.
Again tow-truck you are exposed spreading nonsense.
the only spin doctor is yourself.
You continually make baseless accusations. Instead of your constant insinuations framed in the form of questions why don't you simply ring the union and ask them directly rather than your constant and transparent mischief making in here.
What relevance is it as to when MM flew? He heads the FAAA and like every other head of the FAAA before him, he performs a full time function heading a multi-million FAAA and responsible for the working lives of over 4000 Qantas and Australian Airlines crew.
Tow truck you must be a twisted and embittered former FAAA person.
Furthermore, i rang the FAAA ....Mijatov flew up to October 2003 just as negotiations commenced on Divisional Flying and then in March 2004 he became the head of the union.
Thats just short of 23 months not the 6 years that you claim.
Again tow-truck you are exposed spreading nonsense.
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take the faaa lh membership fees from last year and divide it by $ 624.- (each individual contrbution) and you get 2816 members. where is the rest gone? not paying/ resigned from the faaa or have we lost that many in longhaul? be interesting if the faaa guys here can shed some light on this one.
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Ozskipper (strange nick for a flight attendant) said:
Heaven forbid, you might get called out on a "A" day!! Who would have thought? Isn't that what an "A" day is for. Sorry for the sarcasm, but we all know that when Qantas wants to us to work on "A" days we have to work on "A" days. On average, I get 2 "A" days per roster. Last roster I got called out on one of those. The roster before that - not at all. The roster before that I got called out on one.
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Maybe for you guys and for Kiwis and Thais, but not for us (in Oz). Only if we have pay protection can we be used on "A days", and even then, we cannot be displaced from a trip because of it. Our conditions are far superior to yours, which is good for us, but not so good for The Corporation, I guess. I for one will do all I can to protect our conditions, which are not unreasonable nor unfair.
I have always had a problem with the way rosters are built for Kiwis and Thais. By effectively being on standby on "A days" which are sprinkled throughout their rosters, they can have no real control over their lives. That is not fair to them. It's great for The Corporation, though.
Ok - to answer your first remark: Ozskipper being a strange name for a flight attendant. Not really - I have a pilot's licence and started using this board well before I started as a flight attendant. But not entirely sure what a nickname has to do with my contributions to this forum 
I know the conditions in Australia are different. I was flying longhaul before I came over to London. My point (poorly made in hindsight) is that we all were briefed that it was possible that we would be used on "A" days. Much the same as we knew roughly how much we would be paid etc.
I readily accept that some of these conditions have been a bit of a shock for some crew - and that's to be expected, but at the end of the day it's not something new (well I was certainly told about it) that's been sprung upon us.
I'd rather not work on my "A" days either - but I came over with the knowledge that I might. If other's weren't aware, then I agree it's not the best, but they should take it up with management (at least so they are aware that not everyone was given the same information).
I also wanted to comment on the spin doctor label that has been recently applied. Why on earth would I be peddling information that wasn't true - those of you that have been around for awhile will know that I've nothing to gain from it. I'm a regular flight attendant and you can search my old posts to verify this. If I was a "management spin doctor", it's been one hell of an investment for an anonymous forum!
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Ozskipper (strange nick for a flight attendant) said:
Heaven forbid, you might get called out on a "A" day!! Who would have thought? Isn't that what an "A" day is for. Sorry for the sarcasm, but we all know that when Qantas wants to us to work on "A" days we have to work on "A" days. On average, I get 2 "A" days per roster. Last roster I got called out on one of those. The roster before that - not at all. The roster before that I got called out on one.
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Maybe for you guys and for Kiwis and Thais, but not for us (in Oz). Only if we have pay protection can we be used on "A days", and even then, we cannot be displaced from a trip because of it. Our conditions are far superior to yours, which is good for us, but not so good for The Corporation, I guess. I for one will do all I can to protect our conditions, which are not unreasonable nor unfair.
I have always had a problem with the way rosters are built for Kiwis and Thais. By effectively being on standby on "A days" which are sprinkled throughout their rosters, they can have no real control over their lives. That is not fair to them. It's great for The Corporation, though.
I know the conditions in Australia are different. I was flying longhaul before I came over to London. My point (poorly made in hindsight) is that we all were briefed that it was possible that we would be used on "A" days. Much the same as we knew roughly how much we would be paid etc.
I readily accept that some of these conditions have been a bit of a shock for some crew - and that's to be expected, but at the end of the day it's not something new (well I was certainly told about it) that's been sprung upon us.
I'd rather not work on my "A" days either - but I came over with the knowledge that I might. If other's weren't aware, then I agree it's not the best, but they should take it up with management (at least so they are aware that not everyone was given the same information).
I also wanted to comment on the spin doctor label that has been recently applied. Why on earth would I be peddling information that wasn't true - those of you that have been around for awhile will know that I've nothing to gain from it. I'm a regular flight attendant and you can search my old posts to verify this. If I was a "management spin doctor", it's been one hell of an investment for an anonymous forum!
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The big picture.........? cont.
I appreciate the efforts of our union officials in what obviously are difficult times.
My concerns however relate to what appears to be their WILLINGNESS to capitulate under industrial pressure.
dixon has spent a fortune in money, time and effort in creating the IMPRESSION that longhaul FAs have been painted into a corner industrially.
I am more than a little concerned that the FAAA have bought the spin that may in fact be no more than EXPENSIVE bluff, propaganda, smoke and mirrors. A ruse if you like, designed to bully us into granting reductions to our terms and conditions.
Scrutiny of these initiatives suggests that they are FAR from successfull both financially and from a service viewpoint.
I get the distinct impression that things are starting to unravel for dixon and his goons and now might be the WORST time to offer them a free win [ie JFK dispensation and the like].
The following are examples of dixon's initiatives. Lets look at how they are panning out.
The LHR base- The disaster that is panning out on our premier Kangaroo route is nothing short of disgraceful.
We all know it's a basket case with the losers in typical QF style being the passengers but it also fails financially whichever way you look at it.
The last few pages of this thread offer details from those in the know.
The KIWI crew- They are leaving in droves. Those that remain are disallusioned, disengaged and fed up.
Their own carrier offers humane working conditions on par with ours and 60 have moved there this year alone. The last AKL intake has been roundly criticised by those already in the base as being lazy and coming with major attidude.
QF have themselves admitted last year that they were scraping the bottom of the barrell.
Sure some people are desperate enough to move to NZ from AUST for a gig but very few will be the quality QF need.Those that do can't have a life and won't/don't stay long.
The losses there are such that they will hardly have enough crew to do the 16 + hour shuttle let alone the rest they have planned for them.
The Thais- Efficient and for the most part hard working but since QF's initiative to "de-Thai" them they are becoming unmanageable.
Perhaps QF's initiative to "assertiveness train" them was done as a knee jerk reaction to the abuse they recieved from the LHR base crew but nonetheless it has spoilt many of them.
Sadly it has affected how many of us feel about them and our enjoyment working with them. Personally I'm over making an effort with them save the few that are not "hard work".
Their overwhelming numbers in the Y/C cabin is not the "picture" the UK nationals bought when choosing to fly QANTAS. It's not the image QF sells on UK TV in their ads either.
A full fare paying friend was shocked at their sole use of Thai in the cabin and on the jumpseat for both take off and landing.Sawadeecaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Shorthaul- Massive critisicm from the press re the greed that drives QF to use domestic FAs on OUR sectors needing language skills. QF were more than lucky to have an off duty Longhauler on board the Osaka incident.
See http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/20...1554-8652.html
Shorthaulers must be finally coming to realise the "dog" they were sold at their last EBA.
How else does one explain the fact that the contractors are overwhelmingly those that do the international flying.
Once is enough it seems when it comes to long days [and even longer nights], jettlag, long complicated meal service and SHOCK HORROR demanding passengers with high levels of expectation.
God I hope they get the A330 gig to BOM.
How humiliating for scheduled air crew arriving at a international destination to have find a cashcard machine in order to eat!!!
I doubt many will be backing up for more of the same but then again maybe that lot ARE completely brain dead.
QF's and the FAAAs spin that our conditions are under further threat from shorthaul is bull****.
What was the last lot of crap? That they'll get SFO if we don't agree to the JFK dispensation.
Get a life pleeeeeese! We are NOT that stupid.
They don't want it.
Longhaul language speakers working with them confirm that they are not good at it.
And they cant operate the 744 as per the divisional agreement.
It's an empty threat/propaganda from the imbeciles running QF's "spin team". It concerns me that the FAAA seem to have bought it.
Australian Airlines- Was supposed to have bases in every capital.
Millions in subsides [both direct and indirect] from QF and the Malaysian government and still the best it can do is an $11 million dollar loss.
Aircrew [tech and cabin] earn just a little under mainline yet operate just a single economy class product.
The "Australian" brand means nothing to anyone. In stark contrast to QANTAS.
What might we have MADE [not lost] with our J/C seats and brand awareness I wonder.
James Strong CHOSE not to go down the leisure carrier route for a reason.dixon's gamble clearly hasn't worked.
Jetstar Heavy- See Above.
The whole concept is complete and utter bull****.
To suggest that the travelling public are going to get excited about a charter style, cattle class,29 inch pitch, pay for everything onboard concept flying to Europe or the States defies all concepts of logic. Which is I guess why QANTAS are proposing it.
As I said before. Charters are a niche market and those that have used them for longhaul operations invariably swear NEVER to do so again.Its been tried again and again and again. IT DOESNT WORK and even those at QF must know it.
Low cost carriers carry price sensitive passengers short distances to holiday destinations. In this part of the world that means NZ, Baaaali, Poooket, HNL [A BIG maybe] and the like.
Can anyone seriously see a [sustainable] market for the Jetstar type to LHR????? [The most expensive city in the world]
Four or five hours max and the model fails. After this people want and need the creature comforts of a full service carrier AS THE JOURNEY FOR MOST, HAS BECOME PART OF THE EXPERIENCE. Think about it.
Jetstar Asia- See above and then above that.
See also the D&G forum.
Once again.
International travelers are not as price sensitive as those that have gone from buses and coaches to domestic Jetstar.
dixon, and his cronies have been milking the cow that is QANTAS for all they can out in doing so they are facing ever increasing scrutiny, criticism and pressure.
The public are sick and tired of their duplicity and so are we.
dixon and gregg were hammered by hostile questioning at the last profit announcement.
I have never seen them so defensive.
borghetti exploded in front of hundreds at the Sydney conservitorium roadshow when innocently questioned about the LHR base.
Their initiatives ARE unravelling and now is NOT the time to offer a reprieve.
VOTE NO TO THE JFK DISPENSATION AND CALL THEIR BLUFF.
THE US CARRIERS DON'T SUBJECT THEIR OWN TO IT DESPITE THEIR LOSES.
We have an EBA in place for the next two years that takes us up to the next federal election.
By which time the Australian public I hope will have woken up to the corporate greed that has run rampantly out of control under the howard government.
Average workers like us who have been fighting this greed may well find ourselves in a better position industrially.
Now is not the time to be the "sell out sisters", FAAA.
We have two years of an EBA to run.
We are more than 5000 strong.
We are the best at what we do.
We CANNOT be replaced even in this political climate.
dixon is waging war on us and in war propaganda is a powerful tool.
His initiatives are failing and his threats are no more than piss and wind.
Call his bluff.
Jettlager
P.S.We made another record profit this year incase anyone has forgotten.
My concerns however relate to what appears to be their WILLINGNESS to capitulate under industrial pressure.
dixon has spent a fortune in money, time and effort in creating the IMPRESSION that longhaul FAs have been painted into a corner industrially.
I am more than a little concerned that the FAAA have bought the spin that may in fact be no more than EXPENSIVE bluff, propaganda, smoke and mirrors. A ruse if you like, designed to bully us into granting reductions to our terms and conditions.
Scrutiny of these initiatives suggests that they are FAR from successfull both financially and from a service viewpoint.
I get the distinct impression that things are starting to unravel for dixon and his goons and now might be the WORST time to offer them a free win [ie JFK dispensation and the like].
The following are examples of dixon's initiatives. Lets look at how they are panning out.
The LHR base- The disaster that is panning out on our premier Kangaroo route is nothing short of disgraceful.
We all know it's a basket case with the losers in typical QF style being the passengers but it also fails financially whichever way you look at it.
The last few pages of this thread offer details from those in the know.
The KIWI crew- They are leaving in droves. Those that remain are disallusioned, disengaged and fed up.
Their own carrier offers humane working conditions on par with ours and 60 have moved there this year alone. The last AKL intake has been roundly criticised by those already in the base as being lazy and coming with major attidude.
QF have themselves admitted last year that they were scraping the bottom of the barrell.
Sure some people are desperate enough to move to NZ from AUST for a gig but very few will be the quality QF need.Those that do can't have a life and won't/don't stay long.
The losses there are such that they will hardly have enough crew to do the 16 + hour shuttle let alone the rest they have planned for them.
The Thais- Efficient and for the most part hard working but since QF's initiative to "de-Thai" them they are becoming unmanageable.
Perhaps QF's initiative to "assertiveness train" them was done as a knee jerk reaction to the abuse they recieved from the LHR base crew but nonetheless it has spoilt many of them.
Sadly it has affected how many of us feel about them and our enjoyment working with them. Personally I'm over making an effort with them save the few that are not "hard work".
Their overwhelming numbers in the Y/C cabin is not the "picture" the UK nationals bought when choosing to fly QANTAS. It's not the image QF sells on UK TV in their ads either.
A full fare paying friend was shocked at their sole use of Thai in the cabin and on the jumpseat for both take off and landing.Sawadeecaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Shorthaul- Massive critisicm from the press re the greed that drives QF to use domestic FAs on OUR sectors needing language skills. QF were more than lucky to have an off duty Longhauler on board the Osaka incident.
See http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/20...1554-8652.html
Shorthaulers must be finally coming to realise the "dog" they were sold at their last EBA.
How else does one explain the fact that the contractors are overwhelmingly those that do the international flying.
Once is enough it seems when it comes to long days [and even longer nights], jettlag, long complicated meal service and SHOCK HORROR demanding passengers with high levels of expectation.
God I hope they get the A330 gig to BOM.
How humiliating for scheduled air crew arriving at a international destination to have find a cashcard machine in order to eat!!!
I doubt many will be backing up for more of the same but then again maybe that lot ARE completely brain dead.
QF's and the FAAAs spin that our conditions are under further threat from shorthaul is bull****.
What was the last lot of crap? That they'll get SFO if we don't agree to the JFK dispensation.
Get a life pleeeeeese! We are NOT that stupid.
They don't want it.
Longhaul language speakers working with them confirm that they are not good at it.
And they cant operate the 744 as per the divisional agreement.
It's an empty threat/propaganda from the imbeciles running QF's "spin team". It concerns me that the FAAA seem to have bought it.
Australian Airlines- Was supposed to have bases in every capital.
Millions in subsides [both direct and indirect] from QF and the Malaysian government and still the best it can do is an $11 million dollar loss.
Aircrew [tech and cabin] earn just a little under mainline yet operate just a single economy class product.
The "Australian" brand means nothing to anyone. In stark contrast to QANTAS.
What might we have MADE [not lost] with our J/C seats and brand awareness I wonder.
James Strong CHOSE not to go down the leisure carrier route for a reason.dixon's gamble clearly hasn't worked.
Jetstar Heavy- See Above.
The whole concept is complete and utter bull****.
To suggest that the travelling public are going to get excited about a charter style, cattle class,29 inch pitch, pay for everything onboard concept flying to Europe or the States defies all concepts of logic. Which is I guess why QANTAS are proposing it.
As I said before. Charters are a niche market and those that have used them for longhaul operations invariably swear NEVER to do so again.Its been tried again and again and again. IT DOESNT WORK and even those at QF must know it.
Low cost carriers carry price sensitive passengers short distances to holiday destinations. In this part of the world that means NZ, Baaaali, Poooket, HNL [A BIG maybe] and the like.
Can anyone seriously see a [sustainable] market for the Jetstar type to LHR????? [The most expensive city in the world]
Four or five hours max and the model fails. After this people want and need the creature comforts of a full service carrier AS THE JOURNEY FOR MOST, HAS BECOME PART OF THE EXPERIENCE. Think about it.
Jetstar Asia- See above and then above that.
See also the D&G forum.
Once again.
International travelers are not as price sensitive as those that have gone from buses and coaches to domestic Jetstar.
dixon, and his cronies have been milking the cow that is QANTAS for all they can out in doing so they are facing ever increasing scrutiny, criticism and pressure.
The public are sick and tired of their duplicity and so are we.
dixon and gregg were hammered by hostile questioning at the last profit announcement.
I have never seen them so defensive.
borghetti exploded in front of hundreds at the Sydney conservitorium roadshow when innocently questioned about the LHR base.
Their initiatives ARE unravelling and now is NOT the time to offer a reprieve.
VOTE NO TO THE JFK DISPENSATION AND CALL THEIR BLUFF.
THE US CARRIERS DON'T SUBJECT THEIR OWN TO IT DESPITE THEIR LOSES.
We have an EBA in place for the next two years that takes us up to the next federal election.
By which time the Australian public I hope will have woken up to the corporate greed that has run rampantly out of control under the howard government.
Average workers like us who have been fighting this greed may well find ourselves in a better position industrially.
Now is not the time to be the "sell out sisters", FAAA.
We have two years of an EBA to run.
We are more than 5000 strong.
We are the best at what we do.
We CANNOT be replaced even in this political climate.
dixon is waging war on us and in war propaganda is a powerful tool.
His initiatives are failing and his threats are no more than piss and wind.
Call his bluff.
Jettlager
P.S.We made another record profit this year incase anyone has forgotten.
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Thanks for the information, thats all I wanted to know, I asked a question and I got an answer, I wasnt abusive at all, there wasnt anything masked or underhanded.
What a shame you have continually attack people when they ask legitimate questions.
And as far as being an ex FAAA, I dont think so, as stated in my many posts I am a strong supporter of the current FAAA and I do believe that they were are doing a good job.
I have a right to ask those questions, and I have a right to ask them in any forum I want.
The way you write your replies reminds me of the old Lance days when if you DARED ask a legitimate question in a meeting you were shot down.
looks like nothing has changed! you have now alienated me and I know that you are an FAAA official! your last remarks have proven that!
Thanks for the information, thats all I wanted to know, I asked a question and I got an answer, I wasnt abusive at all, there wasnt anything masked or underhanded.
What a shame you have continually attack people when they ask legitimate questions.
And as far as being an ex FAAA, I dont think so, as stated in my many posts I am a strong supporter of the current FAAA and I do believe that they were are doing a good job.
I have a right to ask those questions, and I have a right to ask them in any forum I want.
The way you write your replies reminds me of the old Lance days when if you DARED ask a legitimate question in a meeting you were shot down.
looks like nothing has changed! you have now alienated me and I know that you are an FAAA official! your last remarks have proven that!
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Have heard that there are more then enough Kiwi crew to do the shuttle. They will be taken off JNB and Mumbai patterns ( the latter which will go to shorthaul from Jan 2006). Their B/First training is nearly complete. Australian CSS's and CSM's will slip with the tech crew in NY.
I'll be voting YES all the way for the shuttle and so will most crew.
I'll be voting YES all the way for the shuttle and so will most crew.
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Great post Jettlager.
I'll be voting no to this sector as will other principled people.
The incumbents won't do it so why should we?
I for one won't be bullied into a working day the equivelent of which was outlawed over 100 years ago.
Single sector ultra long range ? YES .[because my body gets the sleep it needs]
Multi sector 15 hour plus days?? [with two one hour breaks]
NO.
I am a human being, not a dog or a machine.
I'll be voting no to this sector as will other principled people.
The incumbents won't do it so why should we?
I for one won't be bullied into a working day the equivelent of which was outlawed over 100 years ago.
Single sector ultra long range ? YES .[because my body gets the sleep it needs]
Multi sector 15 hour plus days?? [with two one hour breaks]
NO.
I am a human being, not a dog or a machine.
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check your months. my annual fee is definatly 624.-(12x52.-) it appaers the faaa have made some mistakes with some of the statements they send out.
pro golfer if is correct what you assume that csm/css slip in new york and the kiwis do the return, then there is a good case for anyone to contact the american federal aviation administration and point out some facts. lets remember one thing the yanks are very good to explore other people abroad, but they certainlly dont like foreigns companies doing it on their turf.
www.faa.gov
do we get to vote by ballot on the shuttle or do we have to get to a meeting and suffer lots if verbal dia*****, before the vote/
pro golfer if is correct what you assume that csm/css slip in new york and the kiwis do the return, then there is a good case for anyone to contact the american federal aviation administration and point out some facts. lets remember one thing the yanks are very good to explore other people abroad, but they certainlly dont like foreigns companies doing it on their turf.
www.faa.gov
do we get to vote by ballot on the shuttle or do we have to get to a meeting and suffer lots if verbal dia*****, before the vote/
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The main issue with the JFK shuttle apart from the rest issues is with the vote.Not all crew can get to a meeting and this is too important to leave to just a raising of hands from those at a union meeting.
When will the faaa be sending out vote ballots in the mail??????
When will the faaa be sending out vote ballots in the mail??????
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Going down a slightly different track here....but my big gripe at the moment is Reserve Line Rotation for economy crew. At the moment we seem to be getting 2 flying lines, then reserve. Yes reserve every six bloody months. Allocations explain it is because there are not enough in the Bfirst category. Just flew with a B-firster who has not had reserve for 18 months! Then QF have the cheek to call us out of category to fill a B-First position!
Think the FAAA should have a chat about that!
Think I am coming down with economy-class syndrome. But console myself with the fact that I will have better legs than the B-Firsters with all that extra bending down I do in economy...!
Think the FAAA should have a chat about that!
Think I am coming down with economy-class syndrome. But console myself with the fact that I will have better legs than the B-Firsters with all that extra bending down I do in economy...!
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No vote cards will be coming out in the mail. It's too late for next bid period anyway so we will continue doing the shuttle, which is great news. Voting will be done electronically but the FAAA will have the final say, which is also great news!
Happy flying all!
Happy flying all!
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NYC SHUTTLE
Spoke to FAAA yesterday. THey indicated that their would be an Electronic Ballot of all long haul FAAA members and the vote would be accepted by the executive and communicated to Qantas.
I am sure they will be encouraging us to vote for the dispensation, but they are prepared to accept the membership vote on the matter.
As far as i can see they are being sensible and pragmatic about what is clearly a complex and emotive issue.
my only hope is that crew actually fully understand the repercussions of voting one way or the other and the message that it will send to GD.
Clearly from FAAA newsletters i get the impression that there is a genuine concern for Job Security and i think that we have to be mindful of that.
I am sure they will be encouraging us to vote for the dispensation, but they are prepared to accept the membership vote on the matter.
As far as i can see they are being sensible and pragmatic about what is clearly a complex and emotive issue.
my only hope is that crew actually fully understand the repercussions of voting one way or the other and the message that it will send to GD.
Clearly from FAAA newsletters i get the impression that there is a genuine concern for Job Security and i think that we have to be mindful of that.
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I've just returned from my first LAX-JFK-LAX shuttle-let me tell you its going to be my last. PRA's for the next 2 on my roster !!!!!
They are crap.#$#%%$#^^&^&%#!
0600 call in LAX after about 2 hrs sleep ( listening to the Freeway ). Then over & back . In hotel at 2320. This is inhumane. The crew were all well and truly over it after take off from JFK ( crabby, bitchy, narky -all due to tierdness, fatigue &stress ) . When are those "goons" on QCC/1 going to realise we are humans with a pulse. How the hell are we meant to deliver EXCEPTIONAL customer service -when our mouths are full of ulcers and our brains are in "shutdown " mode.
I agree with Jetlagger and others who will be voting NO on this one-we need to take a stand otherwise we're doomed to the cesspit of insignificance!
A BFA mate of mine attended Borgetti's gab fest @ LAX Hotel on Monday and one of our more esteemend colleagues had the gall to ask "do you see ultra long haul flying coming in?" He said ,"YES, of course with fuel prices tipped to reach $100 US in 6 months -this must be a strategy for saving $$$$$$"
So there you have it from the Godfather. So do we cop Ultra Long Haul flying under our current conditions with dispensation after dispensation OR Vote NO then renegotiate for more $$$$$$ for this type of flying.
Also, whilst on the subject of $$$$$$$, I have just received another LSL letter ( when is this lunacy going to end ??? ) The usual spin Blah Blah then YOU MUST TAKE 21 DAYS LSL IN BP241.
I have been on 12 trips this calendar year-yes 12 in 9 months!!!!! My neighbours think I was one of the poor unfortunates retrenched .
So I ring my "Visiting Manager" -oh she is on Leave. I ring the Visitor who is replacing her-Oh she is sick today. OK, I'll speak to anyone - Oh they're all in a meeting !!!@#@#$%%$##!@#$%^%&%. What the hell is going on ? What happen to "crew connect?" I need to unload and have a dump----- who better than on one of the visitors.
I have "heard" that the whole " visitor team" on QCC/1 are in a total shambles-18months of battering from long haul crew and they're walking out the door. I "hear" that 2 have resigned, 1 is moving on within another dept and our kiwi terminator is looking for work with another carrier( Air China ).
Also, can anyone expalin what Bob the Builder and his sidekick Tonto are doing back on QCC/1?
I thought one of the "purging " factors of the "crew connect" model was the flushing away of the S--T ( Line Controllers).
Now it seems they're all back, forgiven & rebadged.
They are crap.#$#%%$#^^&^&%#!
0600 call in LAX after about 2 hrs sleep ( listening to the Freeway ). Then over & back . In hotel at 2320. This is inhumane. The crew were all well and truly over it after take off from JFK ( crabby, bitchy, narky -all due to tierdness, fatigue &stress ) . When are those "goons" on QCC/1 going to realise we are humans with a pulse. How the hell are we meant to deliver EXCEPTIONAL customer service -when our mouths are full of ulcers and our brains are in "shutdown " mode.
I agree with Jetlagger and others who will be voting NO on this one-we need to take a stand otherwise we're doomed to the cesspit of insignificance!
A BFA mate of mine attended Borgetti's gab fest @ LAX Hotel on Monday and one of our more esteemend colleagues had the gall to ask "do you see ultra long haul flying coming in?" He said ,"YES, of course with fuel prices tipped to reach $100 US in 6 months -this must be a strategy for saving $$$$$$"
So there you have it from the Godfather. So do we cop Ultra Long Haul flying under our current conditions with dispensation after dispensation OR Vote NO then renegotiate for more $$$$$$ for this type of flying.
Also, whilst on the subject of $$$$$$$, I have just received another LSL letter ( when is this lunacy going to end ??? ) The usual spin Blah Blah then YOU MUST TAKE 21 DAYS LSL IN BP241.
I have been on 12 trips this calendar year-yes 12 in 9 months!!!!! My neighbours think I was one of the poor unfortunates retrenched .
So I ring my "Visiting Manager" -oh she is on Leave. I ring the Visitor who is replacing her-Oh she is sick today. OK, I'll speak to anyone - Oh they're all in a meeting !!!@#@#$%%$##!@#$%^%&%. What the hell is going on ? What happen to "crew connect?" I need to unload and have a dump----- who better than on one of the visitors.
I have "heard" that the whole " visitor team" on QCC/1 are in a total shambles-18months of battering from long haul crew and they're walking out the door. I "hear" that 2 have resigned, 1 is moving on within another dept and our kiwi terminator is looking for work with another carrier( Air China ).
Also, can anyone expalin what Bob the Builder and his sidekick Tonto are doing back on QCC/1?
I thought one of the "purging " factors of the "crew connect" model was the flushing away of the S--T ( Line Controllers).
Now it seems they're all back, forgiven & rebadged.