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Nice cheap shot at QF long haul
Rejected many times were we ???
Couldn't get in ??????
Like seeing tall poppies fall, your words
Wait till uncle Chris and his new team have remodeled your role and see how uncle Dick's funky airline becomes a thing of the past.
Sure we can fall a little but when your working for the bottom of the heap you can't really fall any further. Go DJ or shall I call it Patricks freight Express now ?
FU
Rejected many times were we ???
Couldn't get in ??????
Like seeing tall poppies fall, your words
Wait till uncle Chris and his new team have remodeled your role and see how uncle Dick's funky airline becomes a thing of the past.
Sure we can fall a little but when your working for the bottom of the heap you can't really fall any further. Go DJ or shall I call it Patricks freight Express now ?
FU
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Whats this talk about short haul treachory?
Grow up and stop blaming us for things that have happened. I didnt vote for the past EBA and no one i know in Syd did either. I dont want to do HKG, SIN, NRT etc... i work in s/h so i dont have to do that style of flying. Give me PER, ADL, rock returns anyday! But unfortunatley we have been given these trips so we do our best and carry out the duty.
As for the comments made by some of you regarding doing the minimum onboard... i would be pretty peeved to be a pax on your flight paying $12,000 to go business class to LA and have some disgruntaled F/A looking after you.
The public has done nothing wrong...why punish them??
Grow up and stop blaming us for things that have happened. I didnt vote for the past EBA and no one i know in Syd did either. I dont want to do HKG, SIN, NRT etc... i work in s/h so i dont have to do that style of flying. Give me PER, ADL, rock returns anyday! But unfortunatley we have been given these trips so we do our best and carry out the duty.
As for the comments made by some of you regarding doing the minimum onboard... i would be pretty peeved to be a pax on your flight paying $12,000 to go business class to LA and have some disgruntaled F/A looking after you.
The public has done nothing wrong...why punish them??
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sydney sh
your comments have been negated by one simple fact, the president of your union, has left you and gone to LHR for the basing, so much for solidarity, and you wonder why we emotional for regional flying.
According to your union web site there have been mailers sent to crew mailboxes, someone let us know what it states!
http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/domes...al/qf09-05.htm
According to your union web site there have been mailers sent to crew mailboxes, someone let us know what it states!
http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/domes...al/qf09-05.htm
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Jakejet,
i can assure you, nothing was left in my mailbox and i asked my friends and no one i know got that letterbox drop. We all saw that letter from the union 1 month ago but wasnt aware of any letter.
Obviously some people did, i wonder who? Doesn't appear to Sydney base, or if it was it must have been a very specific mailbox drop to certain crew.
i can assure you, nothing was left in my mailbox and i asked my friends and no one i know got that letterbox drop. We all saw that letter from the union 1 month ago but wasnt aware of any letter.
Obviously some people did, i wonder who? Doesn't appear to Sydney base, or if it was it must have been a very specific mailbox drop to certain crew.
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Hi Jakejet
I don't know what I can do to get a permanent position. I certainly do not think the union has any idea either so I won't waste their time or mine. However, if anyone out there is fighting for permanent jobs for contractors, casuals or any group please tell us how and where so we can join the cause!
regards
I don't know what I can do to get a permanent position. I certainly do not think the union has any idea either so I won't waste their time or mine. However, if anyone out there is fighting for permanent jobs for contractors, casuals or any group please tell us how and where so we can join the cause!
regards
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jakejet and jetlagger
Gee - the bitterness displayed in these posts is amazing - no wonder so many people say that some of the QF crew are nasty - here's the proof!!!!
The only thing that annoys me more, is that unfortuantely I am then dragged into this stereotype because of people like you - as I too, am a QF employee!!!!
Difference is that I love my job and have done so for many years!!!
Jetlagger - I never said I was in support of shafting ANY employee in order to increase the executives' bonuses - but do you really think that this is something only unique to QF?? - get real!!!!
Yes - it was my first post - Oh no, heaven forbid !!! - but just FYI - I am not new to the industry.
How dare I put MY voice forward when you are doing it so well for everyone else !!!???
And Jakejet - I am no-ones' - stooge - just realistic.
Maybe you might both want to come on the ride - living in the REAL world can be fun!!!!
oh, and maybe you might want to read my last post in full. Every industry around us has changed and is constantly changing - why should QF be any different??? Maybe you should take your toys and run away - 'casue you don't seem to like the game being played..
Cheers - and best of luck - sucking on those lemons all day to keep up that bitterness must be horrible!!!!
The only thing that annoys me more, is that unfortuantely I am then dragged into this stereotype because of people like you - as I too, am a QF employee!!!!
Difference is that I love my job and have done so for many years!!!
Jetlagger - I never said I was in support of shafting ANY employee in order to increase the executives' bonuses - but do you really think that this is something only unique to QF?? - get real!!!!
Yes - it was my first post - Oh no, heaven forbid !!! - but just FYI - I am not new to the industry.
How dare I put MY voice forward when you are doing it so well for everyone else !!!???
And Jakejet - I am no-ones' - stooge - just realistic.
Maybe you might both want to come on the ride - living in the REAL world can be fun!!!!
oh, and maybe you might want to read my last post in full. Every industry around us has changed and is constantly changing - why should QF be any different??? Maybe you should take your toys and run away - 'casue you don't seem to like the game being played..
Cheers - and best of luck - sucking on those lemons all day to keep up that bitterness must be horrible!!!!
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peanut pusher, I have never applied to QF ever. Too many union extremists and company haters in LH would make the job miserable, as I am sure you make others when they have to listen to your diatribe on board.
Chris has made it very clear to all at VB he is very happy with the current structure of the company and the management and will take a hands off approach to Virgin Blue.
We are already at world's best practise, being paid a fair days pay for a fair days work. So we have nowhere near as much to fear as QF LH crew do.
Chris has made it very clear to all at VB he is very happy with the current structure of the company and the management and will take a hands off approach to Virgin Blue.
We are already at world's best practise, being paid a fair days pay for a fair days work. So we have nowhere near as much to fear as QF LH crew do.
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jakejet
sadly - I must say the same to you - we need to get rid off all the "dead-wood" in the company like you.
But I have no fear in saying that your time will come - QF will simply push people like you out with such negative issues and let fresher people who can do their job properly get in and do it and make it worhwhile for passengers who do try and chose one of the worlds' great airlines!!! That reality check may come quicker than you expect.
Once again - your bitterness does not go un-noticed by myself or half the travelling public and others here.
See you at the local Myer counter spraying perfume/ aftershaves!!!
You'll look really smart in the uniform!!!
On realisation - I take aback all those comments - as I have just realised that I have simply lowered myself to your level of pathetic slagging - Oh the shame..........
At least I can console myself that I am happy in my job and have been for many years.....and will for many years to come.
"Crew - arm doors for departure"
But I have no fear in saying that your time will come - QF will simply push people like you out with such negative issues and let fresher people who can do their job properly get in and do it and make it worhwhile for passengers who do try and chose one of the worlds' great airlines!!! That reality check may come quicker than you expect.
Once again - your bitterness does not go un-noticed by myself or half the travelling public and others here.
See you at the local Myer counter spraying perfume/ aftershaves!!!
You'll look really smart in the uniform!!!On realisation - I take aback all those comments - as I have just realised that I have simply lowered myself to your level of pathetic slagging - Oh the shame..........
At least I can console myself that I am happy in my job and have been for many years.....and will for many years to come.
"Crew - arm doors for departure"
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Ho hum ,JBM
What a pair of self absorbed little turkeys you are....no children,no partner,no life.As you get a little more wisdom and insight you will understand that there is more to life than work.
No one really denies that the aviation industry is changing andd needed to change.It is the deceipt,beligerence,intimidation and maliciousness that is associated with it.I refer in particular to Qantas.Rather than bring the workforce forward and help them embrace the changes the Qantas "troughers" have used corporate thuggery.(don`t ask me to enjoy being beaten up).They have been assisted in this by some of our own colleagues.This has resulted in an enormous amount of frustration anger and resentment.Hence the enormous amount of venom in these forums.It is particularly directed to individuals outside of Qantas who have little or no understanding of events taking place.All areas of QF are upset and insulted not just crew.The clowns who run QF have no idea of how to engage their workforce.It is a good company poorly run by individuals interested only in their own hip pockets.Why shouldn`t employees feel the same ?
Make comment, sure.Make sure your information is accurate and do away with the sarcasm ...we get enough of that from our employers.
These forums act as a means of venting our spleens.
Rest assured the Qantas customers do not suffer because of the issues we have with management.98% of us give 110%.The other 2 % have slipped thru`the recruitment net.
Qantas enjoys a reputation built by long serving employees not the visitors who have been here less than a minute.
No one really denies that the aviation industry is changing andd needed to change.It is the deceipt,beligerence,intimidation and maliciousness that is associated with it.I refer in particular to Qantas.Rather than bring the workforce forward and help them embrace the changes the Qantas "troughers" have used corporate thuggery.(don`t ask me to enjoy being beaten up).They have been assisted in this by some of our own colleagues.This has resulted in an enormous amount of frustration anger and resentment.Hence the enormous amount of venom in these forums.It is particularly directed to individuals outside of Qantas who have little or no understanding of events taking place.All areas of QF are upset and insulted not just crew.The clowns who run QF have no idea of how to engage their workforce.It is a good company poorly run by individuals interested only in their own hip pockets.Why shouldn`t employees feel the same ?
Make comment, sure.Make sure your information is accurate and do away with the sarcasm ...we get enough of that from our employers.
These forums act as a means of venting our spleens.
Rest assured the Qantas customers do not suffer because of the issues we have with management.98% of us give 110%.The other 2 % have slipped thru`the recruitment net.
Qantas enjoys a reputation built by long serving employees not the visitors who have been here less than a minute.
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Perspective
It determines your perspective of what we are talking about!!This deadwood that you talk about have a different perspective.
What about the rest of what I said.....Read it in its entirety and stop being selective about the parts but rather view the sum total.Then form a response.
What about the rest of what I said.....Read it in its entirety and stop being selective about the parts but rather view the sum total.Then form a response.
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Machinegun Fellatio If you wanted JBM to ignore something you wrote, then why write it in the first place? You make a whole series of assumptions about others, which may or may not be true, but certainly are irrelevant and provocative and then wonder why they take offence. And this after a clear warning and thread ban in another area of this forum. Your talents are doubtless appreciated more elsewhere. Forum banned.
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OK Im going to emerge from the safety of the non posting bunker to say simply this:
We have a Liberal Govenrment in power who are intent on making it easier for large corporations to dispose of employees for little or no reason when it sees fit to. Add this to a Qantas board who are focusing on cost cutting, and one way to do this is casualise(sp?) the workforce. If everyone is on 11 month fixed term contracts, or casuals working for a labour hire company, then there is no holidays to worry about , no long service leave etc.
So my answer to HoHum is this, sure the company may be looking at getting rid of the dead wood, but who or what will they replace it with? Not a permanant employee I bet. All making life harder and harder to get to work for this airline who embodies the "Spirit of Australia"
But yes, as one ageing crooner once said, these "times they are a changin'". But dissapointing none the same.
JB
*ducks back behind cover of bunker and braces for the barrage*
We have a Liberal Govenrment in power who are intent on making it easier for large corporations to dispose of employees for little or no reason when it sees fit to. Add this to a Qantas board who are focusing on cost cutting, and one way to do this is casualise(sp?) the workforce. If everyone is on 11 month fixed term contracts, or casuals working for a labour hire company, then there is no holidays to worry about , no long service leave etc.
So my answer to HoHum is this, sure the company may be looking at getting rid of the dead wood, but who or what will they replace it with? Not a permanant employee I bet. All making life harder and harder to get to work for this airline who embodies the "Spirit of Australia"
But yes, as one ageing crooner once said, these "times they are a changin'". But dissapointing none the same.
JB
*ducks back behind cover of bunker and braces for the barrage*
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WOW! What a great argument. The QF longhaul crew that post on here are in serious denial. JBM, I agree with you that the extremist views are off the planet. They obviously haven't done a real days work for a very long time if they think their opinion is mainstream. It's scary how out of touch with reality some longhaul crew are. Ashame they will probably drag a lot of fantastic crew down with them.
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Just look in the employment sections to see how many job agencies have appeared in the last few years.
I know many industries that hire from agencies,mining being a good example.
Companies still do in house employment for experienced people with a good background,but the lesser jobs where they can be trained come from an agency when required.
Most reasons being.1 If they are useless ,arrogant,s--t stirrers etc they can be replaced without any legal troubles--unfare dismissal etc
2... If there is a downturn in the industry they can be put off to bring staff levels back to required numbers.
Most companies ,when natural attrition reduces the work force ,then give the so called casuals a chance to join the company.
Lets face it---if you owned a company and another 911 or SAR,s happened again why pay 100% of staff when you only need 80%.
Main reason for casuals as i see it.
I know many industries that hire from agencies,mining being a good example.
Companies still do in house employment for experienced people with a good background,but the lesser jobs where they can be trained come from an agency when required.
Most reasons being.1 If they are useless ,arrogant,s--t stirrers etc they can be replaced without any legal troubles--unfare dismissal etc
2... If there is a downturn in the industry they can be put off to bring staff levels back to required numbers.
Most companies ,when natural attrition reduces the work force ,then give the so called casuals a chance to join the company.
Lets face it---if you owned a company and another 911 or SAR,s happened again why pay 100% of staff when you only need 80%.
Main reason for casuals as i see it.
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Ok..
You join QF LH as a full time employee expecting to fly overseas.
At the same time your friend joins QF SH as a full time employee to fly domestic only.
Both people make a commitment to QANTAS based around their personal circumstances and working desires.
Now how the hell does it work out that in BP238 the LH employee does 16 MEL - PER returns whilst the SH employee does only HKG and NRT?
You join QF LH as a full time employee expecting to fly overseas.
At the same time your friend joins QF SH as a full time employee to fly domestic only.
Both people make a commitment to QANTAS based around their personal circumstances and working desires.
Now how the hell does it work out that in BP238 the LH employee does 16 MEL - PER returns whilst the SH employee does only HKG and NRT?
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just arrived on the london base in the third wave and have completed my first BKK . All good. great people ,good flying . looks like a nice place to work.
I notice all the same old union thugs and bullies are still on these posts just under different names.
thuggery and intimidation are union as well as management strategies. as I mentioned before, faaa union officials were verbally abusing perth based crew who were contemplating the move to london. thank goodness they were brave enough to stand up to these thugs and are now living their flying dream
I notice all the same old union thugs and bullies are still on these posts just under different names.
thuggery and intimidation are union as well as management strategies. as I mentioned before, faaa union officials were verbally abusing perth based crew who were contemplating the move to london. thank goodness they were brave enough to stand up to these thugs and are now living their flying dream