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Greener
Well to me Greener Pastures means this:
I have doing this stuff for more than 16 years and I have accumulated 1 year of sick leave (maximum), 6 months of long service leave and the usual annual leave.
I am about to enjoy my semi-retirement from QF by doing my own "burning" of my leave entitlements.
I am about to get very sick from time to time and it will be legally certified.
And I will go sick just before any forced leave meaning that the forced leave will have to be re-credited and taken at my discretion, not QFs.
So that should see me through the next 12 months or so till this slaughter of conditions and morale is finished - based on the fact that no conditions or morale will be left to destroy!
And then I will come back and do the absolute basic job until I am ready to leave. I will not leave until I am too old and shaky to hold the Cognac bottle. If QF management think that I will depart because they changed the playing field, they can think again. I will bide my time here doing the bare, disengaged minimum.
And if contract crew think they will someday get a run at a permanent slot - think again. You ain't getting mine till I die! Most permanent crew I know also feel the same way.
Welcome to the new world…!
I have doing this stuff for more than 16 years and I have accumulated 1 year of sick leave (maximum), 6 months of long service leave and the usual annual leave.
I am about to enjoy my semi-retirement from QF by doing my own "burning" of my leave entitlements.
I am about to get very sick from time to time and it will be legally certified.
And I will go sick just before any forced leave meaning that the forced leave will have to be re-credited and taken at my discretion, not QFs.
So that should see me through the next 12 months or so till this slaughter of conditions and morale is finished - based on the fact that no conditions or morale will be left to destroy!
And then I will come back and do the absolute basic job until I am ready to leave. I will not leave until I am too old and shaky to hold the Cognac bottle. If QF management think that I will depart because they changed the playing field, they can think again. I will bide my time here doing the bare, disengaged minimum.
And if contract crew think they will someday get a run at a permanent slot - think again. You ain't getting mine till I die! Most permanent crew I know also feel the same way.
Welcome to the new world…!
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jbm,
given that you are a virgin blue FA.
What exactly is your "beef" with QF longhaul fa's?
QFCSM,
you have described the actions I'll be taking perfectly.
Costello recons we should be working until 70.....
Bring on the zimmer frames.
Jettlager
given that you are a virgin blue FA.
What exactly is your "beef" with QF longhaul fa's?
QFCSM,
you have described the actions I'll be taking perfectly.
Costello recons we should be working until 70.....
Bring on the zimmer frames.
Jettlager
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I have no beef, I just enjoy seeing you tall poppies getting cut down.
And you ARE being annihilated by the QF Management and there is nothing you can do about it.
I am enjoying every moment of watching you guys being dragged into reality. I just can't wait for the next instalment.
Bring it on, as has been said earlier
And you ARE being annihilated by the QF Management and there is nothing you can do about it.
I am enjoying every moment of watching you guys being dragged into reality. I just can't wait for the next instalment.
Bring it on, as has been said earlier
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its people like u
qfcsm im sorry i dont agree with what you are saying, if u hate it so much just leave then?
instead u decide to make your life miserable, and get bitter and twisted as each day passes.
im with jetblackmonaro on this one. Go and get a real job 9-5 monday to friday no bands, no staff travel, no allowances, no fantastic lifestyle.
Look at all the ex ansett people in QF, how thankful they are to have a job.
Its the mentality of certain people within the group, who feel the company owes them, yet they are able to write their own rosters, and enjoy a salary only others dream about, for the work they do.
i think a reality check is in need for some people, and i hope one day you sit back and realise how good it really is.
instead u decide to make your life miserable, and get bitter and twisted as each day passes.
im with jetblackmonaro on this one. Go and get a real job 9-5 monday to friday no bands, no staff travel, no allowances, no fantastic lifestyle.
Look at all the ex ansett people in QF, how thankful they are to have a job.
Its the mentality of certain people within the group, who feel the company owes them, yet they are able to write their own rosters, and enjoy a salary only others dream about, for the work they do.
i think a reality check is in need for some people, and i hope one day you sit back and realise how good it really is.
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Gomam
Why should loyal employees who have been with the company for years be forced out of a job?
They have every right to protect our hard earned conditions.
BTW-I suggest you read the appropriate EBA before posting comments relating to band payments. Long haul crew do not receive them.
Why should loyal employees who have been with the company for years be forced out of a job?
They have every right to protect our hard earned conditions.
BTW-I suggest you read the appropriate EBA before posting comments relating to band payments. Long haul crew do not receive them.
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Hi Jakejet
I assumed when you made the comment "being eroded by *****like you" you were referring to contractors in the broad sense.
I would still like to know how or what the FAAA and the likes are doing to achieve permanent positions.
Cheers.
I assumed when you made the comment "being eroded by *****like you" you were referring to contractors in the broad sense.
I would still like to know how or what the FAAA and the likes are doing to achieve permanent positions.
Cheers.
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Children, Children, children!!!!
Enough of the slagging off at each other.
It is time that some of you came to the understanding that the industry has and will always change. Remember the words- "an ever changing and dynamic industry" - Ring any bells???!!!
Yes, many of you have started in they heyday when trips were long and fun and conditions were better - but now-a-days it is all about shareholders, profits and being financially viable against the competition.
It is also a very hard industry to get into and the airlines are making it that much harder to get into a full time position with all the perks. - MAM's, contracts, even LCCs etc These days it is better to take what you can if you have a passion enough about flying, so I understand the situation others are in.
But I prompt you to think of the attitude that many have, and think of what happened to Ansett workers. AN had great conditions, bad management ( -yeah ) but at the end of the day - they could not compete against the likes of Impulse/ Virgin Blue and QF ( who could only do this by adjusting its conditions - Mam's etc) These companies showed that they could be more competitive and the result was that they hurt Ansett. This is and will always happen the world over - so while we don't want to lose all the perks and enjoyment of the positions, we have to remember that we have to compromise too - otherwise - it may just be us looking for positions elsewhere.
QFSCM - yeah - you have been lucky to have had a great career spanning that long but NO, QF does not owe you anything!!! Every industry has to change - because it is us - the public (meaning you and I) who want things when we shop, purchase etc.
I can probably safely assume that you are one of the people who have shopped on weekends, late at night with 24hr shopping, do your banking at weekends, gone to the movies etc - well - think of the conditions of those workers who didn't have to do that in the past!!!! They had to move with the times.
And on the subject - how many times do you pay full fare when you fly? - It is great to have staff travel -fantastic savings!!! - but think of the ublic - the less of them who can afford to fly - the less aircraft and staff are needed - want to be out of a job?
Yeah - it ain't necessarily fair - but - move on and enjoy what you can of everything. If you don't want to enjoy what is left of your job - then maybe look at what else is out there - I can assure you that there isn't much else out there which you would like. Let someone else in who is enthusiastic and prepared to enjoy the ride that your job offers them. To them, it would probably be their best dreams - although to you it is your nightmare.
And sure, fight for some things but within perspective - the future wont stand still for anyone
Sorry to break it to you.
All the best to all.
Enough of the slagging off at each other.
It is time that some of you came to the understanding that the industry has and will always change. Remember the words- "an ever changing and dynamic industry" - Ring any bells???!!!
Yes, many of you have started in they heyday when trips were long and fun and conditions were better - but now-a-days it is all about shareholders, profits and being financially viable against the competition.
It is also a very hard industry to get into and the airlines are making it that much harder to get into a full time position with all the perks. - MAM's, contracts, even LCCs etc These days it is better to take what you can if you have a passion enough about flying, so I understand the situation others are in.
But I prompt you to think of the attitude that many have, and think of what happened to Ansett workers. AN had great conditions, bad management ( -yeah ) but at the end of the day - they could not compete against the likes of Impulse/ Virgin Blue and QF ( who could only do this by adjusting its conditions - Mam's etc) These companies showed that they could be more competitive and the result was that they hurt Ansett. This is and will always happen the world over - so while we don't want to lose all the perks and enjoyment of the positions, we have to remember that we have to compromise too - otherwise - it may just be us looking for positions elsewhere.
QFSCM - yeah - you have been lucky to have had a great career spanning that long but NO, QF does not owe you anything!!! Every industry has to change - because it is us - the public (meaning you and I) who want things when we shop, purchase etc.
I can probably safely assume that you are one of the people who have shopped on weekends, late at night with 24hr shopping, do your banking at weekends, gone to the movies etc - well - think of the conditions of those workers who didn't have to do that in the past!!!! They had to move with the times.
And on the subject - how many times do you pay full fare when you fly? - It is great to have staff travel -fantastic savings!!! - but think of the ublic - the less of them who can afford to fly - the less aircraft and staff are needed - want to be out of a job?
Yeah - it ain't necessarily fair - but - move on and enjoy what you can of everything. If you don't want to enjoy what is left of your job - then maybe look at what else is out there - I can assure you that there isn't much else out there which you would like. Let someone else in who is enthusiastic and prepared to enjoy the ride that your job offers them. To them, it would probably be their best dreams - although to you it is your nightmare.
And sure, fight for some things but within perspective - the future wont stand still for anyone
Sorry to break it to you.All the best to all.
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hohum indeed,
interesting that you are in support of the "shafting" that is occuring to airline employees industry wide by senior executives greedy for more performance bonuses.
Brand new member and first post as well.
Myself and other operational employees will be looking foward to more of your learned and no doubt balanced/impartial advice.
In line for a bonus yourself ?
No...........? You represent the worst kind.
Those employed to do the bidding for those that are.
Have a nice day
Jettlager
interesting that you are in support of the "shafting" that is occuring to airline employees industry wide by senior executives greedy for more performance bonuses.
Brand new member and first post as well.
Myself and other operational employees will be looking foward to more of your learned and no doubt balanced/impartial advice.
In line for a bonus yourself ?
No...........? You represent the worst kind.
Those employed to do the bidding for those that are.
Have a nice day
Jettlager
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I agree JL. I do look forward to their next post as the opinion expressed is well thought out and presented.
There is no hope for you and qfcsm, you are clearly quite bitter at your employer which is a shame because that attitude is what fuels QF's desire to do you all over.
Which they are doing, and I am enjoying watching it happen.
There is no hope for you and qfcsm, you are clearly quite bitter at your employer which is a shame because that attitude is what fuels QF's desire to do you all over.
Which they are doing, and I am enjoying watching it happen.
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The first response stands, I'm glad you saw it because I meant it.
JL, you too made your first post once. It was the 29th October last. This happened to coincide with another member getting booted off that day after the moderator had this to say about them
"Sadly, Left2primary has now been banned from this thread, and forum, following unwarranted personal attacks on moderators.
I imagine that it is unlikely that others might share his/her views.."
The moderator went on to say -
"Good Luck to all in QF during these difficult times - If you're going to fight them, you'll need to find yourselves rather more adult advocates than the various problem posters that have posted here so regularly."
It is clear by your extreme left wing views that you are one and the same person.
JL, you too made your first post once. It was the 29th October last. This happened to coincide with another member getting booted off that day after the moderator had this to say about them
"Sadly, Left2primary has now been banned from this thread, and forum, following unwarranted personal attacks on moderators.
I imagine that it is unlikely that others might share his/her views.."
The moderator went on to say -
"Good Luck to all in QF during these difficult times - If you're going to fight them, you'll need to find yourselves rather more adult advocates than the various problem posters that have posted here so regularly."
It is clear by your extreme left wing views that you are one and the same person.
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Some interesting input to this thread, another scenario worth thinking about is that on July 1st the coalition gain control of both
the Senate as well as Reps and can pass legislation from years gone past that was rejected by the Senate, the one for some here to worry about is the "Unfair dissmisal law" being abolished, when and if it is enacted gives any employer the power to hire and fire at will, could be that Dixon is waiting for this to occur and the reason why there is an oversupply of F/As in MAM for a possible 'Spill and Fill".
the Senate as well as Reps and can pass legislation from years gone past that was rejected by the Senate, the one for some here to worry about is the "Unfair dissmisal law" being abolished, when and if it is enacted gives any employer the power to hire and fire at will, could be that Dixon is waiting for this to occur and the reason why there is an oversupply of F/As in MAM for a possible 'Spill and Fill".
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I had a friend who worked at AN many years ago who had her job's responsibilities re-written. She then had to reapply for her position as it was a "new position" and her old job no longer existed.
Although the job description and position title changed, it was essentially the same job.
Reason? To get rid of a few people in her department the company no longer wanted working for them.
It has evolved as a shrewd way around unfair dismissal laws to get rid of unwanted employees.
Although the job description and position title changed, it was essentially the same job.
Reason? To get rid of a few people in her department the company no longer wanted working for them.
It has evolved as a shrewd way around unfair dismissal laws to get rid of unwanted employees.