OzJet Flight Attendant recruitment

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anth1980

If O7 (Ozjet) can give me an opportunity to fly for a year, one month, one week...I dont care. I couldnt even care

to play the devils advocate,I know how much I wanted to fly,gosh I moved to LHR to obtain a full time job with QF!but what if the company (ozjet) collapses in a short time,what do you think the reputation of the crew would be?a lot of companies equate the success of an airline with the service provided.whether its true or not. would you risk future employment by going with an airline that seems certain to fail,only to be rejected by other airlines because of the perceived 'service failure' of that carrier?just another way of looking at it,i would never go with such a start up, but then again I have a job with qf.so maybe I aint the best person to comment.in other industries, I have friends who have been 'tarred' by the people they decided to work for,and cannot find work in their industries because of the reputations they attracted through certain companies.

[stillontheground]

Owen and Cart Elevator

If you think that I haven't been dished out crap by the industry - then you don't know me at all.

I have friends who have been 'tarred' by the people they decided to work for, and cannot find work in their industries because of the reputation they attracted through certain companies

I used to be ex Ansett Cabin crew, only to have been involved in the disasterous crash in 2001. Since 2001, I have been to about 16 interviews for Qantas and all their subsidiaries (Jetstar, MAM casuals, International Long Haul and Short Haul) For each of these I made it right through to the end (meaning that I completed the security check for each, and the medical, and had numerous innoculations etc... ) and not to mention the huge amount of money I spent on the above. I never got the job. Just a polite email saying that I had been unsuccessful in each of my attempts! I have taken it to mean that QF doesn't want me at all. You could say, that I have been "tarred" already.

What does this tell you about the industry? I now have a chance to fly again. Ozjet or not, I am like alot of people who are excited and looking forward to this fresh new airline with a new concept. All I am saying is that we have all been through "crap" dished out by an industry that seems to do nothing but dish out crap, but it seems that we are all willing to give it a go. Sorry about our positivity, but you know what? For some of us, this might be an opportunity of a lifetime.

[ozangel]

Now your calling them prostitutes. Classy!

Owen - youd be surprised. The salary although not Qantas - is not the worst by far. Infact you would start on less at Jetstar.

In comparison to other operators of aircraft of a similar capacity - there is no comparison - they pay is brilliant. The base wage is $10,000 more than my last flying job (not that I am with ozjet atm) - and the conditions are also better. Even on $23,000 a year, doing 180-200 hours a month - I dont consider myself a prostitute- there is always someone worse off.

Service Failure Cart Tart. Take a look at the latest choice survey - the only airline I can see that is a Service Failure is indeed Qantas. Thats only one indicator (other than the droves of unsatisifed pax complaining on various forums). Yes other airlines get complaints - but none as justified as the QF complaints - all because QF wont throw some dosh into its product.

The main risk of this airline is attracting a decent share - which I think is minimal as 29 pax a flight at a full fare Y is not a big ask.

Get over it - be happy for those that got it, and stop trying to spoil their good time. In reality, YOU DONT KNOW ANY MORE THAN THEY DO - IF THAT. Stop hoping you might get the chance of saying 'I told you so' - and start hoping that this works and brings more jobs to the skies.

[OZcabincrew]

"Service Failure Cart Tart. Take a look at the latest choice survey - the only airline I can see that is a Service Failure is indeed Qantas. Thats only one indicator (other than the droves of unsatisifed pax complaining on various forums). Yes other airlines get complaints - but none as justified as the QF complaints - all because QF wont throw some dosh into its product."

OZangel, have you been rejected by QF before because all you seem to do is post negative comments re Qantas. Now along with the negative comments that all airlines get be it Qantas, Virgin, OZjet (even before it's started) etc, there are also a lot of positive comments, hence why QF was second best airline of the year after it's Oneworld affiliation Cathay. That means QF beat Singapore, BA, Virgin Atlantic etc etc. I also agree that the QF j/class product could be a bit better, but unfortunately due to management decisions there is a lot of cost cutting going on. This happens at every other business, not just QF or even airlines.

A friend of mine was paxing back from HKG a while ago and got talking to another j/class passenger (QFPL) about different airlines etc. He seemed quite happy with QF and he did agree that the crew can make or break the flight (again like any airline, yes you will have bad crew with OZjet), but he was more than happy with the service and the crew and he said until you fly another airline, you don't appreciate how good QF really is!

I really hope that OZjet works out for everyone involved and no one gets disadvantaged or hurt. There's nothing like a bit of healthy competition and hopefully it may make some QF crew pull their socks up, but really i think even though Virgin don't have j/class, Virgin should be looking out for OZjet rather than QF.

Good luck!
Oz

[norge]

PLEASE HAVE SOME RESPECT!!

PLEASE HAVE SOME RESPECT .

It is one thing to debate and another thing to insult those who have applied to O7!

NOBODY knows what will happen! Keep it fair and positive!!!

Once operational O7 can always addapt to the environment they are operating under. The cabin crew and other staff will do their best THAT's for sure!

O7 will expand!! Media + word of mouth + excellent service will bring people. Expansion of the flights will happen! SO give it a break!!

What happened in UK , stays in UK! We are in AUS!
YOU watch(to everyone!!)it will stay up in the Air!

The staff will make it happen! Please don't post nasty comments untill IT ALL HAPPENS!

And there's nothing wrong flying the older aircraft, it all has been renewed. Even if the expansion won't happen , O7 will have its regular crowd flying. people will notice geniune service, and the personal attention. Unlike larger australian airlines where the crew seem to forget what they are meant to do, besides their service and EPs!

Anyhow, let's wait another few months and see what will happen then. But for now it seems that everyone is talking rubbish, just simply because there is no information yet as to when it will go operational.

Everyone has tried their best and they deserve all the respect, for at least trying to start something DECENT! With a RIGHt attitude toward the pax and service.

GOOD LUCK to everyone at O7!

Norge.

[ozangel]

Ok, no I have not been rejected. Havent even tried for qantas. Because I dont want to. I have friends there, and family that used to work there. I personally have no interest. As an airline, I do think they are great- and I think the cabin crew are great to. I have told you this in reply to your PM. Domestic and Intl are two different products in reality - so your point about the HKG pax is irrelevant.

The second place was well earned, but mainly focused on the international airline.

The choice survey focused on the domestic sectors, in particular MEL-SYD which is where ozjet will enter the battlefield.

Now will you please understand, (mind you if u havent by now you probably never will) I am criticising the management decisions you speak of, NOT YOU!!! Geez!

Norge - Very Very Very well said... Cant agree with you more.

[easternboy]

Anyone care to give us an idea on the salary being offered?

[stillontheground]

Easternboy,

I believe it will be in the vicinity of 42,000 for flight attendants and a bit more than that for Cabin Managers. Hope this helps

[overhere]

stillontheground - not even close!

FA = $32K base
CM = $38K base

$10 sector pay
$50 overnight allowance
$20 if you get to work and are stood down for any reason.

Hense why a number of current airline employees eased out of the interview process.

This is considerably less then DJ/JQ.

In-fact many regional FA's earn considerably more then this!

[ozangel]

Still was taking into account the estimated pay after allowances. Its supposed to be in the ball park - time will tell of course.

Overhere, its far from the worst pay as well. Dont forget the CMs get an extra 5g on top of that.

Its far from the worst, not quite the best of course, but theres still quite a few current/recent flyers waiting for contracts.

Its almost 10g more than you can expect at some other airlines when you start - and as a starting wage, its more than Jetstar last i remember from my JQ interviews.

Besides its not all about the money - most applied as the inflight service style appeals to them.

all the best.

[Legal_Counsel]

Paying to Much

What are all these allowances Ozjet flight attendants are going to be paid? These glorified waitpersons positions could be eliminated to ensure business passengers are not disturbed by annoying and pesistent requests and trollies shuffling down the aisle. What's so glorious about working for Ozjet? If you were formerly with Ansett you must be desperate. Ansett wasn't that good in my view. The crews were always backstabbing each other and I sensed it. Perhaps I am getting carried away here.
I think a reasonable salary for a flight attendant is $13 per hour or 14.20 with super and that should be a flat rate. If so many people want to fly as flight attendants, the rate goes down in my book.

So how did you get to your interview if the Ozjet website never opened for applications? Quite content to go along with the idea of the airline to deceive perhaps? That's exactly what gets you into the bad books with your colleagues. You are prepared to stab them in the back for your own gain. Well, indeed, and you call yourself a professional. Two wrongs do not make a right in my book.

Any way, I had heard Ozjet had used up 75% of its money already before launch. Just make sure they make a provision for your redundancy because by the look of things they will not have the money. Incidentally, each break-even passenger will be paying nearly $90 + GST in fuel between Melbourne and Sydney. Do your own calculations and see if they can afford to hire you then register with Centrelink.

[anth1980]

legal_council

Legal councel

just wanted you to know that I have set up a new post for everyone to use and ask for you not to be invited.

I am too frustrated and hurt by your negativety. i also only ask that ppl who have positive input and updated info as to whats happening with 07 to join.

Its getting closer now so we all should have some new news.

Ill call the post OZJET 'your in business'...the new post.

Hope to talk to you all there.

[mickoa]

Legal Counsel who and what are you exactly? Wannabe?

[Chris21]

Legal_counsel

What are you on?? maybe I need some. Firstly you are correct Cabin Crew are glorfied waitpersons and they are just put on an aircraft to annoy people and clang up an ailse annoying people - well done you answered your first interview question correctly. Cabin Crew on an aircraft have nothing to do with SAFETY and saving people's lives in an emergency situation, why does any airline need them.

Secondly the allowances they are being paid I agree are ridiculous - airline paying staff allowances for sitting in hotels no other airline on the face of the earth would consider this, what an innovation and how dare they? these are exact same ones that all glorified waitpersons are paid, helps them keep their tanning appointments.

Thirdly I am so glad that you have access to all their financial information and have closley read the balance sheet, phew finally someone who knows what they are talking about.

As for Ansett again your sixth sense is exactly right it was those backstabbing staff that would of given their first born child,left leg and worked for free if it mean't keeping the airline flying and company alive that in the end was the companies down fall - it had nothing to do with Government policy and their inability to act, it all came down to those staff. You are completely right, maybe you should of been the CEO then we could all still be standing in a galley chopping each others heads off.

I will make sure that Centrelink is expecting us in fact tomorrow when I am there where I work in Media I will send out a national alert to all customer serivce centres to be on the look out for broken Flight Attendants wearing a navy blue suits and OZJET wings and a ministerial to the Minister for Human Serivces advising that he is required to put together an assistance package to help all the poor OZJET staff buy some rice. Today Tonight would also surely be interested in running a OZJET ruined my life story and you could be the industry I told you so expert. I will get a producer to call you.

Maybe it was not fair of them not to advertise in the first instance but all you needed to do was call or send them a hello I am interested in working for you - common practice almost everywhere that employs people, in fact widely taught by Centrelink. Get over it and apply if that is what you want if not stick with giving out legal advice - pays a lot more than $14.20 an hour and you seem to know what you are talking about.

[ozangel]

legal - you appear so so so bitter its almost entertaining.
on the other hand - perhaps the problem is more permanent?

How do you feel about your parents?

Yes, glorified waitress/waiter. But I would rather be a waiter in a 5 star resturaunt, than a mcdonalds. Thats the difference my friend - being able to take pride in the service one provides.

Now, as for allowances, if my friend, you knew anything about this industry you would know well crew are paid allowances. Nothings for free- not my time, and I would assume not yours. Crew dont spend time in other cities JUST for the fun of it - yes its a lifestyle, but as fun as some overnights can be, the overnight allowance can be little comfort when you really really need to be in your own bed for some reason or another - so its there to soften the blow on those occasions, and also to compensate to a degree the inconvenience of being away from home, where you could be paying bills, and doing other housekeeping items.

The sector pay is to compensate for a lower (not low) but lower base wage than the average australian wage. This is to encourage people to come to work. If they want the money, they have to work. A very smart approach if you ask me, particularly in coaxing people off days off to work/help out.

Now your bitterness and jealousy truly shine in your questions about how we all got our interviews. You accuse in a mild way of us 'backstabbing' or going behind backs to get flying or hold positions. If you wanted the job, you would have got an interview. You can get anything you want in this world, if you want it enough. Now either you didnt want it or you were just not smart enough about it all. It pays to keep your ear to the ground too - not every rumour in the industry pops up on pprune - i found out about it from someone at a Virgin Blue interview.

Now, im not even going to go in to your remarks about the finance side of things. If true, 25% of the money they had is still a heck of a lot of money - and more than enough to get an airline going.

Now to point out some things ive noticed -

Legal - everyone else who posts negative stuff on here tends to do so with a bit of disbelief that the product will work. Fair enough - so far, from reading back over - each negative can be seen in a positive light, each positive in a negative. The ultimate truth will be in a years time - none of our crystal balls are good enough at the moment - not even yours - infact I think you should get your ball/balls checked, might be faulty.

You Legal, are the only one going out of your way to make it a personal, aggressive issue. How about you come up with the real goods as to why you feel so passionately about this not working, and so passionately against the people who wanted this enough to make the first move and apply, or simply shut up.

Also - beyond the rest of the information available to anyone else here, what do you have that makes you such an expert. I would think the people about to get contracts in the mail would be a little more wiser than you.

Finally - everyone sees this how they want to. No doubt some people starting will find it hard to see bad things about the company. Those who were unsuccessful, could be excused to a degree for the opposite - although interestingly (and i feel this says a lot) - they dont and have only encouraged! I, and I know a couple of other people posting here, are smart enough and have been in the industry long enough to understand you push away the narrow-sightedness and look at the big picture. We all hope it works, but we are smart enough to look at and understand the implications of the negative issues - and are smart enough to weigh up the good and bad and make our own decisions. We have the same information, if not a little more than you do.

Now - GET OVER IT! Please crawl back into the hole/cave/emergency ward you escaped from until you can weigh it all up and say something of value other than the negative nasty aggressive whining you seem to post all over the internet.

OH AND ANOTHER THING!. If you know so much about what theyre doing wrong, have the balls and start your own airline doing the complete opposite. Would you be offended if people sent in their CV keen to work for you before you even advertised?

[GalleyHag]

Well the glorified waitpersons you refer to saved over 300 lives a week ago on Air France in Canada but hey as long as they do not disturbed you by annoying and pesistent requests and trollies shuffling down the aisle.

[ozangel]

good point galleyhag. raises another side of the coin legal just dosent seem to see.

(just to clarify- agreeing to his glorified waitress remark was only in agreeance with one of the many aspects of the job and was moreso to make a point).