Crew Hours On Double Drop Flts
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Crew Hours On Double Drop Flts
HI THERE,
Can anyone tell me what the crew hour limits are for double drop flts.
Example:
LGW-ACE-LPA-ACE-LGW
OR
ACE-LPA-LGW-LPA-ACE
I know it all depends what time you start duty etc but wonder if anyone can answer what the limit is both rostered and into discretion. 4 sector day can be long if any problems arrise.
Many Thx
TJ747
Can anyone tell me what the crew hour limits are for double drop flts.
Example:
LGW-ACE-LPA-ACE-LGW
OR
ACE-LPA-LGW-LPA-ACE
I know it all depends what time you start duty etc but wonder if anyone can answer what the limit is both rostered and into discretion. 4 sector day can be long if any problems arrise.
Many Thx
TJ747
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From: Midlands
Don't have my file handy at the mo to tell you what the CAA say's but that doesn't sound legal at any time of day!
For most a LGW-LPA or ACE-LGW is a days work, never mind a bit of island hopping!!!
Would ask you crewing guys to look into it, and definatley the union!
For most a LGW-LPA or ACE-LGW is a days work, never mind a bit of island hopping!!!
Would ask you crewing guys to look into it, and definatley the union!
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From: Somewhere between here and there....
Under CAP371, and in any time band, the FDP is NOT legal unless a min rest period is thrown in there somewhere.
Assuming a report time of STD - 1hr and off duty is STA + 30mins, you'd be looking at a 12hr duty at least and that's assuming 30min turn time at ACE, LPA & ACE again, which you won't get.
Non starter mate and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise needs to go back to school.
Assuming a report time of STD - 1hr and off duty is STA + 30mins, you'd be looking at a 12hr duty at least and that's assuming 30min turn time at ACE, LPA & ACE again, which you won't get.
Non starter mate and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise needs to go back to school.
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Permitted FDP on a four sector day are as follows:-
Start Time (Local)
0600-0759 = 11 3/4
0800-1259 = 12 3/4
1300-1759 = 11 3/4
1800-2159 = 10 3/4
2200-0559 = 10
Discretion can be a maximum of two hours over the first, second, and third sector and three hours if used immediately prior to the last sector
Start Time (Local)
0600-0759 = 11 3/4
0800-1259 = 12 3/4
1300-1759 = 11 3/4
1800-2159 = 10 3/4
2200-0559 = 10
Discretion can be a maximum of two hours over the first, second, and third sector and three hours if used immediately prior to the last sector
Alba Gu Brath
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All depends on the block times and turnaround times but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
LGW-ACE = 4hrs 15mins
ACE-LPA = 30 mins
LPA-ACE = 30 mins
ACE-LGW = 4hrs 15mins
Turnaround times = 4 x 30 mins each
Report time before = 1hr
Total FDP required = 12Hrs 30mins
Max allowable FDP = 12hrs 45 mins (cabin crew reporting between 0800-1259 local)
Now, like most good schedules it looks good on paper, however in the real world I would say that you would be using discretion on that little day out.
LGW-ACE = 4hrs 15mins
ACE-LPA = 30 mins
LPA-ACE = 30 mins
ACE-LGW = 4hrs 15mins
Turnaround times = 4 x 30 mins each
Report time before = 1hr
Total FDP required = 12Hrs 30mins
Max allowable FDP = 12hrs 45 mins (cabin crew reporting between 0800-1259 local)
Now, like most good schedules it looks good on paper, however in the real world I would say that you would be using discretion on that little day out.
