Excel Airways lost contract
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Excel Airways lost contract
Have heard that Excel have lost the Caribbean contract as of the end of the winter season (March) and are skating on very thin ice with regards to the India contract with Somak.
Any body care to comment?? Or know any more!
Any body care to comment?? Or know any more!
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Great rumour if your a competitor of XLA, but very wide of the mark.
few@two, maybe a bored B738 skipper who would like the chance to fly some longhaul... enjoy your sharms this winter !!!!
few@two, maybe a bored B738 skipper who would like the chance to fly some longhaul... enjoy your sharms this winter !!!!
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you are obviously a man..or woman in the know, so can you elaborate and tell us who these contracts have gone to....or are about to go to ??
It's my guess you can't...which would suggest your statement is exactly what you say it it...."a rumour!"
you are obviously a man..or woman in the know, so can you elaborate and tell us who these contracts have gone to....or are about to go to ??
It's my guess you can't...which would suggest your statement is exactly what you say it it...."a rumour!"
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Well the whole point of this site is to talk about rumours and maybe confirm them i thought!!! Rumour has it that the contract will return to Monarch.
Unfortunately this is due to a certain part of the "team" letting the side down! Hence the contract wont be renewed. Its a shame as the product on offer is very good when it is allowed to work!
I am not an XLA competitor.
Golden Lion you are quite far off the mark!!!
Unfortunately this is due to a certain part of the "team" letting the side down! Hence the contract wont be renewed. Its a shame as the product on offer is very good when it is allowed to work!
I am not an XLA competitor.
Golden Lion you are quite far off the mark!!!
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Obviously not a captain, profile says cpl/ir.
few@2,
Excel is conspicuous by its absence (in general) on these forums. Lets leave the dirty washing stuff to emirates,bacx and the like.
Contracts come and go and issues with certain members of the team are issues for our team not the great unwashed that stalk these boards.
few@2,
Excel is conspicuous by its absence (in general) on these forums. Lets leave the dirty washing stuff to emirates,bacx and the like.
Contracts come and go and issues with certain members of the team are issues for our team not the great unwashed that stalk these boards.
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Hi guys,
I suppose no one will actually say whether they have lost the contract untill near the end...as we all know.... the face of the company,ie: the crew etc... will prob be the last to know.
however
Excel have had quite a few problems with the 767-300 a/c due to operate these services which has resulted in some nasty delays. The a/c have very little down time so when something goes wrong....it effects the rest of the programme for days to come, but hey, thats aviation for you and we have to deal with it the best we can. The Mombassa and Goa flights the past month have had many problems too, a/c downgrades which resulted in over bookings at one point, unscheduled tech stops because they have been using the 767-200 instead of the 300.
Dont get me wrong, the excel guys do a fab job with the very busy and tight programme they have, i do feel though that Air Atlanta have let them down and the companys main goal was "On Time Performance". i know we all have our problems during the summer but i think Excel Reputation has gone down hill over the past few months.
Like someone said earlier, contracts come and go all the time, so if it is true that they have lost the contract, im almost positive you will have some new and exciting destination to look forward to.
Many thx
TJ747
I suppose no one will actually say whether they have lost the contract untill near the end...as we all know.... the face of the company,ie: the crew etc... will prob be the last to know.
however
Excel have had quite a few problems with the 767-300 a/c due to operate these services which has resulted in some nasty delays. The a/c have very little down time so when something goes wrong....it effects the rest of the programme for days to come, but hey, thats aviation for you and we have to deal with it the best we can. The Mombassa and Goa flights the past month have had many problems too, a/c downgrades which resulted in over bookings at one point, unscheduled tech stops because they have been using the 767-200 instead of the 300.
Dont get me wrong, the excel guys do a fab job with the very busy and tight programme they have, i do feel though that Air Atlanta have let them down and the companys main goal was "On Time Performance". i know we all have our problems during the summer but i think Excel Reputation has gone down hill over the past few months.
Like someone said earlier, contracts come and go all the time, so if it is true that they have lost the contract, im almost positive you will have some new and exciting destination to look forward to.
Many thx
TJ747
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Dogma, I think you'll find it's Atlanta who do this route, but painted up in Excel colours. Not Excel themselves.
I too agree that it's a shame their reputation for On Time Performance has taken a battering due to their closeness to Atlanta.
Having said that, Excel are big enough and ugly enough to know that if you sleep with a tart you will eventually catch a dose.......!
I too agree that it's a shame their reputation for On Time Performance has taken a battering due to their closeness to Atlanta.
Having said that, Excel are big enough and ugly enough to know that if you sleep with a tart you will eventually catch a dose.......!
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Etops and Addis
It is very likely Dogma knows of some rule's small print with which I am unfamiliar,but just because Addis is surrounded by 14000ft mountains,where does it say it can't be used as a 'suitable' airfield?I agree it sounds daft,but then ETOPS is based on still air,and the one hour diversion is always considered to be via a direct routing to the field! Atlanta Europe does have a very thorough CAA ops inspector just like any other UK operator.Rest assured there is no 'how do they get away with it' problem allowed there.
Maybe the difficulties with the Caribbean and Goa/Mombasa routes is the expectation that 20 year old plus 767s will keep going as long as 5 year old 737NGs with minimum maintenance.No 'down time' is a risk strategy,which recently has caught up with Excel/Atlanta.I'm not sure if anyone knows what the future of these longhaul contracts is yet or if Excel are getting A320s to be flown by Islandsflug crews next summer as is rumoured in Iceland.
Maybe the difficulties with the Caribbean and Goa/Mombasa routes is the expectation that 20 year old plus 767s will keep going as long as 5 year old 737NGs with minimum maintenance.No 'down time' is a risk strategy,which recently has caught up with Excel/Atlanta.I'm not sure if anyone knows what the future of these longhaul contracts is yet or if Excel are getting A320s to be flown by Islandsflug crews next summer as is rumoured in Iceland.
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When we left LGW the other day the Excel 767 -200 was non-etops.
As far as I know, you cannot use Addis; as there is no viable Oxygen Escape route to it at 10 000 feet!
The route is ETOPs
I smell a rat as the aircraft arrived 1 hour after us in Mombassa. But I am open to suggestions as to how they go there and back!
As far as I know, you cannot use Addis; as there is no viable Oxygen Escape route to it at 10 000 feet!
The route is ETOPs
I smell a rat as the aircraft arrived 1 hour after us in Mombassa. But I am open to suggestions as to how they go there and back!
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Sure, the aircraft is capable of ETOPs flying, but the word from the eng's was that the aircraft was non-etops for a couple of weeks. Though it still trawled back and forth on an ETOPs route.
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Our performance has been bad and I have had many upset passengers who have a right to be upset. If we keep the flights I will be surprised and I don't think we deserve to keep them. Excel and Air Atlanta are as good and bad as each other. We are all one happy company with an old fleet, except the 737.
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Right this seems to be getting off the point and subject but have to set Med123 straight here.
For one, I posed a question, be it a rumour about the related above topic. I merely commented on what we all know as a fact with the above issues! Re- the team.
2: If you had looked a little further into Islandsflug before making your comments you would have realised that they are a far larger operator than that and also have 73's which run passenger services!! Mainly on a charter bases. Funnily enough they were recently acquired by a certain company we all know AAI. And strangely enough this company will be operating a passenger service for Excel next year out of NCL and maybe more bases.
3. With regards to your slating of Dogma's point maybe you should learn something about what ETOPS means before making comments........
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For one, I posed a question, be it a rumour about the related above topic. I merely commented on what we all know as a fact with the above issues! Re- the team.
2: If you had looked a little further into Islandsflug before making your comments you would have realised that they are a far larger operator than that and also have 73's which run passenger services!! Mainly on a charter bases. Funnily enough they were recently acquired by a certain company we all know AAI. And strangely enough this company will be operating a passenger service for Excel next year out of NCL and maybe more bases.
3. With regards to your slating of Dogma's point maybe you should learn something about what ETOPS means before making comments........
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Dogma...... With regards to your slating of anyones point maybe you should learn something about what ETOPS -200's AAe have.
Thrush,... and Excel were doing so well 12 months of the year before Atlanta's input?? This 'tart' obviously passes on penicillin!!
You obviously have no clue.........
Few too many, drop us a CV if you are not happy, hope the hours are enough.
. FYI and to stay "on the point" no drama forecast with Carib or Goa for Excel/Atlanta. Read into this what you will, as this is as what you so rightly inform us, a rumour network. Why ask for facts? If news is your thing, other resources could surely help more.
Any one else........ Excel is now Atlanta, and the future is good for ALL parties.
Try XL.com if in doubt. More now than a reborn Sabre. None of which possible without what was originally an outsider, and the inevitable teething problems of changing the business.
Thrush,... and Excel were doing so well 12 months of the year before Atlanta's input?? This 'tart' obviously passes on penicillin!!
You obviously have no clue.........
Few too many, drop us a CV if you are not happy, hope the hours are enough.
. FYI and to stay "on the point" no drama forecast with Carib or Goa for Excel/Atlanta. Read into this what you will, as this is as what you so rightly inform us, a rumour network. Why ask for facts? If news is your thing, other resources could surely help more. Any one else........ Excel is now Atlanta, and the future is good for ALL parties.
Try XL.com if in doubt. More now than a reborn Sabre. None of which possible without what was originally an outsider, and the inevitable teething problems of changing the business.
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