Whats wrong with me?
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From: Liverpool, UK
Whats wrong with me?
Firstly I pass telephone interview with BMI and then in group session im unfortunatly not selected for 3rd part of interview 
Then Monarch offer me 2nd interview after great telephone interview. I go out and spend over £500 on new suit, hotel and travel.
In interview I thought I did really well but just found out today that its unlikly that I was selected as I havent heared aything (yet)
Where is the best place to start as a cabin crew newbie?
I have just applied for about 10 airlines including Virgin and emirates.
I dont have any problems getting an interview because of my qualifications and telephone manner but because im not your "model" looking male would that be against me? Im 5 foot 6 and 10 stone so well within limits.
Then Monarch offer me 2nd interview after great telephone interview. I go out and spend over £500 on new suit, hotel and travel.
In interview I thought I did really well but just found out today that its unlikly that I was selected as I havent heared aything (yet)
Where is the best place to start as a cabin crew newbie?
I have just applied for about 10 airlines including Virgin and emirates.
I dont have any problems getting an interview because of my qualifications and telephone manner but because im not your "model" looking male would that be against me? Im 5 foot 6 and 10 stone so well within limits.
Last edited by NYCSavage; 28th September 2004 at 21:11.
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From: LGW
its all about the way you interact in the interview. if you talk a lot, it will get you places. if you don't say much, they won't look at you. If you mention travel anywhere in the interview as a reason for wanting to be crew, then they won't even look at you. try the low cost carriers as they are generally in need of lots of crew - quickly
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for monarch, there was 3 parts of the interview (that they didnt tell you about)
part 1:
waiting for the interview, apparantly we were being assessed and I was talking to the whole group and mainly starting 50% of the conversations with John (the australian the other 50%)
part 2:
the interview, maybe i didnt do as good here as i would hoped to but i dont recall mentioning travel.
part 3:
a written test. I was told i passed this test.
monarch looked a class company and i felt good just knowing that they wanted to interview me.
the only problem now is that im greedy
im really looking for long haul jobs.
any airline recruitment officers on this site?
part 1:
waiting for the interview, apparantly we were being assessed and I was talking to the whole group and mainly starting 50% of the conversations with John (the australian the other 50%)
part 2:
the interview, maybe i didnt do as good here as i would hoped to but i dont recall mentioning travel.
part 3:
a written test. I was told i passed this test.
monarch looked a class company and i felt good just knowing that they wanted to interview me.
the only problem now is that im greedy
im really looking for long haul jobs.any airline recruitment officers on this site?
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From: Arriving Shortly
Hi NYC
I used to be in recruitment with my last airline. To be frank, its a fine balance between not being over-powering and reaching a "show-off, I'm here, look at me stage" and not being a non-talker as your so nervous.
Its really hard. The whole procress is made up of many different aspects, your application form, your tests, how you present yourself at interview, how you interact in the group and most importantly whether you come across as a follower or a leader!
Most charter airlines are reruiting for temporary junior crew, therefore don't want leader qualities in the candidates. They are looking for people who can take orders and carry them out, whilst looking after the passengers of course and following safety procedures etc.
Don't take it personally with bmi. They interview hundreds of people every month. Very few get through. bmi tend to invite most applicants in and don't spend much time screening candidates, therefore there is a higher number who don't get through. They have a certain "type" they look for if you get what I mean, so do some other major airlines!
Keep going with your applications. You'll find the right airline eventually, and if others don't take you on, well, they weren't right for you anyway!
I used to be in recruitment with my last airline. To be frank, its a fine balance between not being over-powering and reaching a "show-off, I'm here, look at me stage" and not being a non-talker as your so nervous.
Its really hard. The whole procress is made up of many different aspects, your application form, your tests, how you present yourself at interview, how you interact in the group and most importantly whether you come across as a follower or a leader!
Most charter airlines are reruiting for temporary junior crew, therefore don't want leader qualities in the candidates. They are looking for people who can take orders and carry them out, whilst looking after the passengers of course and following safety procedures etc.
Don't take it personally with bmi. They interview hundreds of people every month. Very few get through. bmi tend to invite most applicants in and don't spend much time screening candidates, therefore there is a higher number who don't get through. They have a certain "type" they look for if you get what I mean, so do some other major airlines!
Keep going with your applications. You'll find the right airline eventually, and if others don't take you on, well, they weren't right for you anyway!
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From: London
A good rule of thumb I employ whenever I interview is to realise that I'm interviewing them just as much as they're interviewing me. Therefore, ask pertinent questions, interact with others in your group as chances are these people might make up your crew one day.
And, as always, of course you're going to get frustrated by not seemingly getting to the next stage but most crew have the same experiences. Not many of us got the job on the first attempt.
As an aside, I find your comment about not being the ideal 'physical specimen' slightly wide of the mark. It takes a lot more than an attractive person to be crew...an attractive personality wins hands down every time.
Also, you say you're being greedy for longhaul...I suspect your interviewers pick up on that and see you for wanting the GLAM of the job rather than the Dublin turnarounds. If you really want to fly it shouldn't matter where you go for your doing the job for what it is, not for the perks. The perks can come later once you've more experience under your belt.
And, as always, of course you're going to get frustrated by not seemingly getting to the next stage but most crew have the same experiences. Not many of us got the job on the first attempt.
As an aside, I find your comment about not being the ideal 'physical specimen' slightly wide of the mark. It takes a lot more than an attractive person to be crew...an attractive personality wins hands down every time.
Also, you say you're being greedy for longhaul...I suspect your interviewers pick up on that and see you for wanting the GLAM of the job rather than the Dublin turnarounds. If you really want to fly it shouldn't matter where you go for your doing the job for what it is, not for the perks. The perks can come later once you've more experience under your belt.
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From: BNE Au
Dont take it personel
NYC, Dont take it personel some people I know go to an interview first time and go through all the interviews like 1 2 3 and they get in, others try time and time again some times for years, but if you want it bad enough keep trying you will get there. The only advice I can give is Assessment day talk to all the other people trying out, smile be confidant but not over the top, during the assessment take part in all the activities ignor the assessors talk but let other people have there say also, ask questions if the chance is there to.
At the interviews smile keep eye contact and all the other stuff which I'm sure you know, They always ask about cust service skills and want examples of situations you have been in and had to deal with like: A time you've dealt with a disgruntled person, when you've delivered outstanding customer service, a time you've dealt with foreigners, what do you think the role of a Flight Attendant is? (safety), what do you think makes a good Flight Attendant? Tell us about a time you've implemented a new procedure in your workplace, tell us about a time where one of your work colleagues wasn't pulling their weight and was letting the team down, how did you deal with it? Why do you want to be a Flight Attendant (your qualities etc, this whole interview process is a time to just completely brag about yourself, even though you feel stupid, but this really is your one chance to sell and promote yourself!!!!!) Anyway this is what I was advised on , hope it is some help...Good luck you will get there.......
At the interviews smile keep eye contact and all the other stuff which I'm sure you know, They always ask about cust service skills and want examples of situations you have been in and had to deal with like: A time you've dealt with a disgruntled person, when you've delivered outstanding customer service, a time you've dealt with foreigners, what do you think the role of a Flight Attendant is? (safety), what do you think makes a good Flight Attendant? Tell us about a time you've implemented a new procedure in your workplace, tell us about a time where one of your work colleagues wasn't pulling their weight and was letting the team down, how did you deal with it? Why do you want to be a Flight Attendant (your qualities etc, this whole interview process is a time to just completely brag about yourself, even though you feel stupid, but this really is your one chance to sell and promote yourself!!!!!) Anyway this is what I was advised on , hope it is some help...Good luck you will get there.......
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thanks for your great support guys
justincase, that was actually said tongue in cheek so I hope I didnt offend anyone.
Who do you recruit for? Are they currently recruiting? How could I apply to get an interview? How big a bribe will it take?
also, the reason I want long haul is not because of the "Glam" but I just love flying and would love to spend as much time as possible flying.
I do understand where you are coming from tho.
justincase, that was actually said tongue in cheek so I hope I didnt offend anyone.
Who do you recruit for? Are they currently recruiting? How could I apply to get an interview? How big a bribe will it take?
also, the reason I want long haul is not because of the "Glam" but I just love flying and would love to spend as much time as possible flying.
I do understand where you are coming from tho.
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NYC
Write back to the airlines and ask for their feedback on your performance. Firstly it reminds them that you are still around and secondly it may give you some pointers as to where you are going wrong.
Write back to the airlines and ask for their feedback on your performance. Firstly it reminds them that you are still around and secondly it may give you some pointers as to where you are going wrong.
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Monarch wrote to me today and got all my hopes up
big thick envelope arrived when I opened it out popped.....a rejection letter
oh well Ill have to keep trying I guess
who wants to buy me a pint to cheer me up?
And I have posted my CV if any recruiters want to check me out:
This is my CV
big thick envelope arrived when I opened it out popped.....a rejection letter
oh well Ill have to keep trying I guess
who wants to buy me a pint to cheer me up?
And I have posted my CV if any recruiters want to check me out:
This is my CV
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From: Stuffingsville
Your weight (stocky) for height (shortish) is on the high side.
You need to lose a bit of bulk.
Your CV, and attitude here, indicate that you are too "cocky" in respect of your own self importance.
In other words, you probably come across as too over-bearing - something that will be looked at as a positive, once you've been in a company for 12 months or more, but a big NEGATIVE as a new joiner.
1)Lose some weight,
2)learn to be more quietly spoken - but still quietly confident - and,
3) be more willing to LISTEN, as opposed to telling them how great thou art!
You need to lose a bit of bulk.
Your CV, and attitude here, indicate that you are too "cocky" in respect of your own self importance.
In other words, you probably come across as too over-bearing - something that will be looked at as a positive, once you've been in a company for 12 months or more, but a big NEGATIVE as a new joiner.
1)Lose some weight,
2)learn to be more quietly spoken - but still quietly confident - and,
3) be more willing to LISTEN, as opposed to telling them how great thou art!
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chief cook, thank you for your reply and im always supportive of constructive critisism so thank you once again.
Can I raise a few points tho?
Height v Weight is in good proportion (im big boned lol) people actually tell me I look on the thin side!!!!
5 foot 6 (167.5cm) and 10 stone (140lbs)
Here is a link to my picture
Im actually quite shy irl (in real life) but I do understand how I come accross online for example I know I have been sarcastic at times on this board but its not really me. Im confident in knowing people like me and I make friends easily, but at the same time im uncomfortable with myself in general but I dont actually show it on the outside.
I thought about my last interview and realised that I spoke too fast (which I tend to do when Im nervous although I dont show any other nervous characteristics)
As for number 3, you are 100000000% correct!!!
Can I raise a few points tho?
Height v Weight is in good proportion (im big boned lol) people actually tell me I look on the thin side!!!!
5 foot 6 (167.5cm) and 10 stone (140lbs)
Here is a link to my picture
Im actually quite shy irl (in real life) but I do understand how I come accross online for example I know I have been sarcastic at times on this board but its not really me. Im confident in knowing people like me and I make friends easily, but at the same time im uncomfortable with myself in general but I dont actually show it on the outside.
I thought about my last interview and realised that I spoke too fast (which I tend to do when Im nervous although I dont show any other nervous characteristics)
As for number 3, you are 100000000% correct!!!
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Channel Express/Jet2 are recruiting at MAN and LBA.
See http://www.channel-express.co.uk/recruitment.html
Good Luck!
See http://www.channel-express.co.uk/recruitment.html
Good Luck!
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From: Stuffingsville
Hi NYCS - I couldn't work out which one of the 2 in the picture was you 
If you already realise you have a tendency to speak too quickly - something not at all uncommon of many people who are in interview/test/check situations - then you need to CONCIOUSLY slow down, at those times.
After all, aviation is NOT about seeing how quickly one is able to perform a task, but how thoroughly, methodically, and correctly the task is achieved - 1, 2, and 3 - and THEN within the required time, which is always generously over-apportioned.
Never fall for the old trap of feeling that you are not going to achieve the set task within the required time!
So get out there, pump some iron, learn to look people directly in the eyes (without staring them down) during Q&A time, and be quietly confident.
You have been called to interview because THEY want YOU as a reliable employee, willing to learn their ways.
They have NOT called you in to try to teach THEM something.
You've got the basics of what it takes - now fine tune those assets.
If you already realise you have a tendency to speak too quickly - something not at all uncommon of many people who are in interview/test/check situations - then you need to CONCIOUSLY slow down, at those times.
After all, aviation is NOT about seeing how quickly one is able to perform a task, but how thoroughly, methodically, and correctly the task is achieved - 1, 2, and 3 - and THEN within the required time, which is always generously over-apportioned.
Never fall for the old trap of feeling that you are not going to achieve the set task within the required time!
So get out there, pump some iron, learn to look people directly in the eyes (without staring them down) during Q&A time, and be quietly confident.
You have been called to interview because THEY want YOU as a reliable employee, willing to learn their ways.
They have NOT called you in to try to teach THEM something.
You've got the basics of what it takes - now fine tune those assets.
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From: brighton
Britannia are recruiting big time at the moment and if you want to do long haul, go for Manchester of Gatwick, we have been told the amount of trips has doubled for next summer. If you put in a search on here you will find all the dates of the open days listed.
Good luck and don't give up if this is your dream!
Good luck and don't give up if this is your dream!
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From: London
Hi NTCSavage, just a littel note to say definitely don't give up. You are obviously doing partly the right thing as you have got through to some interviews. Well done for that. Airline interviews aren't the easiest things to go through. I know how stressful they are. Just a few pointers:
1)Always use the candidates names eg: "thats a good idea Jodie"
They like that. It shows you are taking note of other people around you.
2)Talk to people. Start conversations eg: "So where have you travelled from? Oh fantastic, I've been there (even if you haven't, say you've heard it's lovely) it's lovely".
3)Try to show a genunie interest in people
4)When involved in group exercises always comment on other candidates ideas positively eg: "Great idea Bob, how does that sound to everybody?"
Have you tried BA, Virgin, Easyjet? I will say that Ryanair is apparantly very easy to get in to. However, you will have to pay for everything, even the training according to a friend of mine. Good luck and let us all know how it goes.
1)Always use the candidates names eg: "thats a good idea Jodie"
They like that. It shows you are taking note of other people around you.
2)Talk to people. Start conversations eg: "So where have you travelled from? Oh fantastic, I've been there (even if you haven't, say you've heard it's lovely) it's lovely".
3)Try to show a genunie interest in people
4)When involved in group exercises always comment on other candidates ideas positively eg: "Great idea Bob, how does that sound to everybody?"
Have you tried BA, Virgin, Easyjet? I will say that Ryanair is apparantly very easy to get in to. However, you will have to pay for everything, even the training according to a friend of mine. Good luck and let us all know how it goes.
