Qantas Australia Interviews - Anyone heard back yet?
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Arm doors, lets just make it clear that the long haul union are not divided in any way. What the short haul union do is up to them, but I don't think they should make decisions and recommend voting yes to EBA's that have a huge affect on the lives of long haul collegues.
The faaa are actively seeking other avenues rather than striking. But at the end of the day the only thing Dixon understands is the bottom line. If we strike and affect that, and ultimately his bonus, maybe striking will have some affect.
Negotiations are going on currently but the faaa and the company agreed to secret squirel until some kind of outcome is reached, be it positive or negative for crew.
No one wants to go on strike. You don't get paid, causes inconvienience for thousands etc..etc...but it might be the only way.
I've flown with several new fixed term crew who will support permanent collegues because they want to be made permanent themselves. They can see this is the only chance they have, Qantas will not do anyone any favours.
The faaa are actively seeking other avenues rather than striking. But at the end of the day the only thing Dixon understands is the bottom line. If we strike and affect that, and ultimately his bonus, maybe striking will have some affect.
Negotiations are going on currently but the faaa and the company agreed to secret squirel until some kind of outcome is reached, be it positive or negative for crew.
No one wants to go on strike. You don't get paid, causes inconvienience for thousands etc..etc...but it might be the only way.
I've flown with several new fixed term crew who will support permanent collegues because they want to be made permanent themselves. They can see this is the only chance they have, Qantas will not do anyone any favours.
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So let me get this straight:
a) You need the fixed term position with NO chance of permanent recruitment to pay for the house and feed the kids.
b) You will be gaining industry experience BUT this will only occur if LH actually stike, otherwise you will just be sitting arond home on basic pay.
c) You have made the assessment that the long haul union is divided from Prune! What other information are you basing this on?
d) You appreciate why permanent crew are taking action but you wont support it even though it is essentially for people like you to ensure that you actually have a future in the industry.
You go on and on about industry experience and needing to feed the family but "hello" you will be unemployed at the end of the contract. You also said you are looking for a permanent position not casual well, a fixed term position is not permanent and unlike 3-4 years ago will NOT lead to permanent.
You go for it, get your industry experience, while the permanent crew are looking out for YOUR future as well as there own.
So let me get this straight:
a) You need the fixed term position with NO chance of permanent recruitment to pay for the house and feed the kids.
b) You will be gaining industry experience BUT this will only occur if LH actually stike, otherwise you will just be sitting arond home on basic pay.
c) You have made the assessment that the long haul union is divided from Prune! What other information are you basing this on?
d) You appreciate why permanent crew are taking action but you wont support it even though it is essentially for people like you to ensure that you actually have a future in the industry.
You go on and on about industry experience and needing to feed the family but "hello" you will be unemployed at the end of the contract. You also said you are looking for a permanent position not casual well, a fixed term position is not permanent and unlike 3-4 years ago will NOT lead to permanent.
You go for it, get your industry experience, while the permanent crew are looking out for YOUR future as well as there own.
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ARM DOORS YOU LEGEND
Arm Doors, you write so strategically must I say, with such diplomacy......well done!
I however have no patience with these ludicrous short haul wannabies like Galley Hag, Left 2 primary guess Syd777 is one of them also.
They are wannabies as well short haul CC that want to be LH but have not made it in, r envious of those that have. Freedom of speech for all, right on! Court case I was thinking the same,I was discussing this issue with LH CC just a few days. They say LH are totally divided, some r sour some r not. Don't think that everyone is going to be like galleyhag. Many welcoming CC out there, don't worry about that.
QF are very smart, I was surprised as to what was going on, but now I see the big picture. Soon all the stale old fish like left2 primary galley hag etc....will be thrown out and new recruits freshly put in. Contracts will be extended, I spoke to recruitment last week and many of the contracts will be extended, threy r not quite sure of the picture right now.
All u lose SH CC that bitch all day long, brush up on your interview techniques drop the attitude and u might find yourself a position in LH, but then again we will identify that u at one stage were SH and we will treat u like u want to treat the fixed contracters.
I however have no patience with these ludicrous short haul wannabies like Galley Hag, Left 2 primary guess Syd777 is one of them also.
They are wannabies as well short haul CC that want to be LH but have not made it in, r envious of those that have. Freedom of speech for all, right on! Court case I was thinking the same,I was discussing this issue with LH CC just a few days. They say LH are totally divided, some r sour some r not. Don't think that everyone is going to be like galleyhag. Many welcoming CC out there, don't worry about that.
QF are very smart, I was surprised as to what was going on, but now I see the big picture. Soon all the stale old fish like left2 primary galley hag etc....will be thrown out and new recruits freshly put in. Contracts will be extended, I spoke to recruitment last week and many of the contracts will be extended, threy r not quite sure of the picture right now.
All u lose SH CC that bitch all day long, brush up on your interview techniques drop the attitude and u might find yourself a position in LH, but then again we will identify that u at one stage were SH and we will treat u like u want to treat the fixed contracters.
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Your post just proves how much you DONT know about Qantas. Shorthaul cabin crew can go to long haul whenever they like and vice versa NO interview required, its just a matter of putting their name on the divisional transfer list and waiting for their number to come up.
Most of the people that you refer to are permanent Qantas cabin crew unlike YOU, who provide a lot of people on prune with factual information which is not otherwise available and most of us appreciate that.
These are people that DID make it through the interviews and selection process and got permanent positions.
I just laugh when I read your posts because they are just so inaccurate its not funny. The information you post is coming from a friend this week, last week straight from Qantas recruitment next week it will be Lesley Grant.
Just wait for your call from Emirates as you seem to be the only person in the world accepted recently which is quite amazing considering their recruitment freeze and leave Qantas to the REAL professionals.
Your post just proves how much you DONT know about Qantas. Shorthaul cabin crew can go to long haul whenever they like and vice versa NO interview required, its just a matter of putting their name on the divisional transfer list and waiting for their number to come up.
Most of the people that you refer to are permanent Qantas cabin crew unlike YOU, who provide a lot of people on prune with factual information which is not otherwise available and most of us appreciate that.
These are people that DID make it through the interviews and selection process and got permanent positions.
I just laugh when I read your posts because they are just so inaccurate its not funny. The information you post is coming from a friend this week, last week straight from Qantas recruitment next week it will be Lesley Grant.
Just wait for your call from Emirates as you seem to be the only person in the world accepted recently which is quite amazing considering their recruitment freeze and leave Qantas to the REAL professionals.
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Chinup what planet are you from. I receive great enjoyment from your posts, it is always nice to know someone like you could be in charge of my safety.
For the record. F/A opportunities are limited in OZ. 18000 applicants on staffcv. In the UK for an example have many airlines and many airlines have bases over there, job opportunities are bountiful. In fact all over Europe you would never have trouble getting an f/a job. Who do you think L/H cabin crew are striking for? They have permanent positions. They are striking to keep Oz jobs for the "wannabes". To keep F/A opportunities for the highly demanded job in Oz.
For the record I have worked as an F/A. I even flew long range for 5 years(2 yrs short). CHINUP what type of flying do you currently do?
Also. I do not believe fixed termers should be persecuted as scab labor. I think it is awful that they might/will be used as scab labor though. See the difference?
For the record. F/A opportunities are limited in OZ. 18000 applicants on staffcv. In the UK for an example have many airlines and many airlines have bases over there, job opportunities are bountiful. In fact all over Europe you would never have trouble getting an f/a job. Who do you think L/H cabin crew are striking for? They have permanent positions. They are striking to keep Oz jobs for the "wannabes". To keep F/A opportunities for the highly demanded job in Oz.
For the record I have worked as an F/A. I even flew long range for 5 years(2 yrs short). CHINUP what type of flying do you currently do?
Also. I do not believe fixed termers should be persecuted as scab labor. I think it is awful that they might/will be used as scab labor though. See the difference?
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God this is getting tiring....
easternboy says:
No I didn't say that. I said I need to pay the bills. At the moment, this job does that. Why should I have to leave this job if I don't want to strike?
Wrong again. I have been flying for a short time already. You are talking about the contractors who are currently being recruited and trained.
Incorrect. Only the worst kind of moron would draw a final conclusion using one source of information, especially a rumour network (although this is a very good site for information, so certainly not knocking pprune). Perhaps if you spent some time talking to other crew, reading through old newsletters and utilising some general observation skills you may indeed realise that not all is as rosy as some would have you believe. However, this is only my view - strange as it may seem, it is something I'm entitled to. We don't live in a communist state and therefore my views can differ from others.
Again incorrect. Yet to make a decision. However, as previously stated there are a few more considerations I need to take into account. I'm still in probation - I can be let go with minimal notice. Permanent ongoing staff don't have this consideration and seemingly most don't care (that's my problem apparently). My point, that started this whole bloody mess, was that not everyone has the "choice" to strike. For some, the "choice" is limited as we can't afford to lose our job with minimal notice. Yes, I realise that the contract will come to a close as do many others - however this does provide some notice to actually go and get a new job.
And don't give me the drivel that the reason crew are striking is for people like me. Neither you or I came down in the last shower of rain. I might be relatively new to this industry, but I have been round the block more than once and I do know how to research. We're all very good at protecting our own interests (particularly in this industry!) and there is no reason to suspect that the masses have suddenly become overly magnanimous and are doing it for their fellow man. Crew will take action because it benefits them!
I haven't gone on and on about industry experience at all. Check the posts, you have me confused with other contributors.
Again check the posts (not having a good run here for your accuracy are we?). I am acutely aware that the contract IS A contract. I don't have any issues with that. I won't be unemployed at the end of the contract at all. "Hello" if you read the post you would have seen that I stated that I had a job to go to at the end of the contract. I knew this was a contract and I have planned accordingly. Those plans did not include being let go in the middle of the contract because I participated in a strike!
Thanks for clarifying that a fixed term position is not permanent - without your insight we'd all be lost. I know its not a permanent job, sheesh isn't that what we've been saying all along?
Ok, I see where your going with this. Your theory seems to be if everyone strikes there will be more permanent work because the London Base won't go ahead. Yes?
Well I find that incredibly difficult to believe. I can't see that this London Base won't happen - there's too much money to be saved. But in any event, the current fixed term staff were told that we were filling a spike in the projected flying which would even out. So rather than have a whole heap of permanent staff idling around doing minimal flying when it does quieten down, Qantas have chosen to fill the gap with flexible fixed term staff. ****ty, but it makes sense.
Lets be quite clear about this - I've not decided either way to "strike" or not. Personally, its a difficult situation and I'd rather not have to make the decision. I, like many others, have a little more to consider when being asked to go on strike. Its not so black and white for me as clearly it is for you (if your LH crew that is). However, just as you value your freedom of association, I value my freedom of choice. I shouldn't victimised because my situation or views differ from yours (or indeed the majority). Remember what your mum and dad said about peer pressure?
I'll happily support work bans or other actions like not filling in C209 paperwork and leave the company to deal with the penalties from the local authorities or not lock up the duty free and leave QF to deal with the arrangements of securing the duty free. But instead, we're charging forward with a proposed strike and all this is achieving is crew having a go at each other. I believe this thread is a case in point!
easternboy says:
a) You need the fixed term position with NO chance of permanent recruitment to pay for the house and feed the kids.
b) You will be gaining industry experience BUT this will only occur if LH actually stike, otherwise you will just be sitting arond home on basic pay.
c) You have made the assessment that the long haul union is divided from Prune! What other information are you basing this on?
d) You appreciate why permanent crew are taking action but you wont support it even though it is essentially for people like you to ensure that you actually have a future in the industry.
And don't give me the drivel that the reason crew are striking is for people like me. Neither you or I came down in the last shower of rain. I might be relatively new to this industry, but I have been round the block more than once and I do know how to research. We're all very good at protecting our own interests (particularly in this industry!) and there is no reason to suspect that the masses have suddenly become overly magnanimous and are doing it for their fellow man. Crew will take action because it benefits them!
You go on and on about industry experience
and needing to feed the family but "hello" you will be unemployed at the end of the contract.
You also said you are looking for a permanent position not casual well, a fixed term position is not permanent
and unlike 3-4 years ago will NOT lead to permanent.
Well I find that incredibly difficult to believe. I can't see that this London Base won't happen - there's too much money to be saved. But in any event, the current fixed term staff were told that we were filling a spike in the projected flying which would even out. So rather than have a whole heap of permanent staff idling around doing minimal flying when it does quieten down, Qantas have chosen to fill the gap with flexible fixed term staff. ****ty, but it makes sense.
Lets be quite clear about this - I've not decided either way to "strike" or not. Personally, its a difficult situation and I'd rather not have to make the decision. I, like many others, have a little more to consider when being asked to go on strike. Its not so black and white for me as clearly it is for you (if your LH crew that is). However, just as you value your freedom of association, I value my freedom of choice. I shouldn't victimised because my situation or views differ from yours (or indeed the majority). Remember what your mum and dad said about peer pressure?
I'll happily support work bans or other actions like not filling in C209 paperwork and leave the company to deal with the penalties from the local authorities or not lock up the duty free and leave QF to deal with the arrangements of securing the duty free. But instead, we're charging forward with a proposed strike and all this is achieving is crew having a go at each other. I believe this thread is a case in point!
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Obviously I was having a bad day and may have confused you with other poster's having only read this thread once or twice. I now completely understand this is all about YOU and your interests, got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Good luck with whatever you decide and enjoy what little time you have within QF.
Good luck with whatever you decide and enjoy what little time you have within QF.
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OK people, let's clear up a few misunderstandings here. 
This thread is about QF interviews and applications.
NOT about the pros and cons of the LHR base or to discuss the upcoming strike.
For that discussion, we have this thread.
You know the saying 'use it or lose it'?
Show yourselves able & willing to put your posts where they belong. This keeps the forum readable and enjoyable for both newbies and dinosaurs.
Any further posts on this thread about the upcoming dispute will be deleted.
This thread is about QF interviews and applications.
NOT about the pros and cons of the LHR base or to discuss the upcoming strike.
For that discussion, we have this thread.
You know the saying 'use it or lose it'?
Show yourselves able & willing to put your posts where they belong. This keeps the forum readable and enjoyable for both newbies and dinosaurs.
Any further posts on this thread about the upcoming dispute will be deleted.
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Apologies flaps.... Happy to have this little discussion come a close anyway.
Would it be worthwhile moving these associated posts to the other thread?
Would it be worthwhile moving these associated posts to the other thread?
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Melbourne Reference Check
Hi Guys,
Just thought I would let you all know that my references in Melbourne were contacted last week. I actually attended the Melbourne Assessment Day on the 24th of August (5 weeks ago). I'm yet to hear back anything from Qantas themselves. I thought this info might be of interest to candidates in Melbourne.
Not sure exactly what they are up to, however I'm sure we will soon find out in the very near future.
Cheers
Socialflyer
Just thought I would let you all know that my references in Melbourne were contacted last week. I actually attended the Melbourne Assessment Day on the 24th of August (5 weeks ago). I'm yet to hear back anything from Qantas themselves. I thought this info might be of interest to candidates in Melbourne.
Not sure exactly what they are up to, however I'm sure we will soon find out in the very near future.
Cheers
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Social flyer, u will be allocated priority 3, if none of priority 1 or 2 accept and they don't have numbers u will eb called. Every single person's reference was checked.
Good luck anyways
Good luck anyways
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ShortList....
Hey Galleyhag,
Is that the shortlist for ShortHaul or Longhaul? I'm suprised after all the recent recruitment they are actually preparing another shortlist.
And the shocks just keep on coming!!!!
Cheers
SocialFlyer...
Is that the shortlist for ShortHaul or Longhaul? I'm suprised after all the recent recruitment they are actually preparing another shortlist.
And the shocks just keep on coming!!!!
Cheers
SocialFlyer...
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This is the e-mail my girlfriend received. It doesnt state long or short. But she is a QF regional who was on the last short list but could only be offered a permanent position due to already working for the QF group and got the thanks but no thanks letter. Now she receives this invite, all very odd.
Qantas Cabin Crew Recruitment would like to thank you for registering your
details on our website to become part of our Cabin Crew Team.
We are currently recruiting for shortlist positions and would like to
invite you to attend an assessment centre.
Your Assessment Centre is being held on:
Date:
Time:
Venue:
Please be prepared to spend a full day with us and bring with you an
original plus 1 copy of your Passport, Birth Certificate, Senior First Aid
Certificate and Responsible Service of Alcohol Certificate.
We look forward to you meeting the Cabin Crew Recruitment Team.
This is the e-mail my girlfriend received. It doesnt state long or short. But she is a QF regional who was on the last short list but could only be offered a permanent position due to already working for the QF group and got the thanks but no thanks letter. Now she receives this invite, all very odd.
Qantas Cabin Crew Recruitment would like to thank you for registering your
details on our website to become part of our Cabin Crew Team.
We are currently recruiting for shortlist positions and would like to
invite you to attend an assessment centre.
Your Assessment Centre is being held on:
Date:
Time:
Venue:
Please be prepared to spend a full day with us and bring with you an
original plus 1 copy of your Passport, Birth Certificate, Senior First Aid
Certificate and Responsible Service of Alcohol Certificate.
We look forward to you meeting the Cabin Crew Recruitment Team.
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it seems those that were not successful like social flyer for e.g will still be put on hold as a last priority just in case they can't get the numbers. These people will have no extension of contracts where as priority one could possibly have contracts extended and or automatically placed on short list for future recruitment. Once as certain period is over the short listers will be dropped and will have to reaply totally like the recent notices.