Cabin crew Licence?

[heavy crew]

There are many carriers and Aviation bodies worldwide who licence both Pilots and Cabin crew.

Here in the Uk the BA Cabin crew do not personally hold their licences.

What are the systems with other airlines and countries?

Also if your system is diferent how do you find it?

[Human Factor]

Ah ha! This looks familiar .....

[euroflyer2003]

I'm sorry but why on earth would a cabin crew member hold a licence? Granted the main role is safety for the pax's but apart from that they have nothing really to hold a licence for.

[Vinnoir]

are you sure? would you like to explain your point further before someone is rude to you?

[euroflyer2003]

I don't mean it in a derogatory way. My point is that there is no need for a licence from cabin crew.

[heavy crew]

Hello Human you do get about don't you

To the unbelievers on here You could be right, however I have been told that in France and other countries Cabin crew hold their own Licences as we used to do here in the UK

As I have expressed, elsewhere, a desire toward returning to individual licences I thought it only prudent to see if anyone from the countries that do have licences, Would let me know how they found their system?

I certainly wasn't asking for a debate on IF cabin crew should hold Licences.

As Human knows that has been done elsewhere.

Thanks for your interest however and if you know of any Cabin crew who hold their own licence I would apreciate it if you could point them toward this thread.

Thanks again

[Vinnoir]

i'm not gonna loose my temper but if crew didn't hold a licence then who/what would you do/get as crew?? that may sound stupid but we don't do training courses for fun, If there is that little respect for crew??? what is the point of CRM?

[Xenia]

In Italy cabin crew hold their cabin crew licence. It is our own licence to keep as a personal document. Same as France and Greece.
Happy landings

[may]

In Spain also cabin crew hold a personal license.

[redfred]

whats the point not going to make me do my job better

[heavy crew]

To be honest fred it may not you , but it may others.
For example if someone is not really interested and gives bare minimun, they may change their perspective if they had to protect their individual licence.

It would no longer be in the carriers interest to make sure that not too many fail their annual checks, so standards would undoubtably rise.

Thanks to all who informed me that Cabin crew hold their own licences in Spain,Italy, France and Greece ect.

Could those who do please let me know how you get it issued, renew and type rate it ect.

Also is there a annual medical.

Any Info is greatly apreciated.

Ps do you think licencing should be the same within Europe?

[richterscale10]

I think having a licence with all your types and dates on is a good idea........then any prospective employer has all the information right there instead of never ending searches with old employers. I have been in the industry for two decades.......I cant remember every aircraft I have been trained and flown on!!!!!!

[may]

Well, to get our license we had to go through a 6 week training course like with every airline, and have the company exams at the end of each week. Provided that we passed these exams, we then had to go through the CAA written exams, with CAA examiners which were on sep, av-med, flight time limitations and geography (yes, geography!)

After passing the written exams, together with the others from my training course we had to go through the CAA practical examinations that took place on a company aircraft where we had to simulate an evacuation and actually blow an aircraft slide.
After succesfully going through that we are issued with our license with its endorsements that state what aircraft and aircraft variant we are trained on and licensed to fly as operating crew.

But for the license to be valid we need a valid Class C Medical Certificate. To obtain that we have to spend 10 hours in the Air Force Hospotal passing from every doctor and medical exams you cam possibly imagine! At the end of that day if you're lucky, you're issued with the Medical Certificate that needs to be renewed every 2 years for the licence to be kept valid.

Now, if one of us wants to change airline within the country and fly an aircraft that we're already trained on, we don't need to go through the whole 4-6 week training course. All we have to do is a recurrent course, basically sop's. Also, the endorsements are valid for a maximum of 2 years after which if we havent flown a specific aircraft type, we need to go through the whole training again.

I forgot to mention that once a year we need to go through a recurrent training.

Hope this answers some of your questions!

[ILS26L]

Ok then, could you tell me why airline pilots have a licence ? From my personal experience, i'd say because you have successfully completed a long training, you fulfilled all the CAA regulations and passed your class 1 medical. Why is all this important, because you play a crucial role in that plane, as you are responsible for the lives of pax and crew behind you... now, if there is a problem, or if you screw up, the cabin crwe are there to try and make things as painless as possible. Within our industry the safety of the passengers and crew is of primordial importance and all crew members must be able to reassure passengers, provide for their comfort and safety, in particular if there is an incident which might upset or frighten them.
Now if you believe that cabin crew are only their for customer service of for your tea and coffee, then I wouldn't like to be part of your team on a flight... Cabin crew have an extremely important role in an aircraft and not everyone can do the job, which is why a licence is a good idea. I might just point out that CRM and team work is also part of the ATPL course...