Carry-on Bmed!!!!!!
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"OUR STAFF ARE OUR GREATEST ASSET" whatever happened to that poster? it used to be drilled into us! did LF have it destroyed or was it destroyed by crew when she arrived and wrecked every effort made by JT and SW?
MEFLYBE why should employees have to accept the way things are? any normal operation would have had her strung up by now! are you one of her little helpers maybe?
MEFLYBE why should employees have to accept the way things are? any normal operation would have had her strung up by now! are you one of her little helpers maybe?
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I didn't realise that these forums are just for happy people who love their jobs?? Did anyone else realise that?
GET A GRIP!!!!
These forums are for discussion, people to share both good and bad information and experiences from their respective company's.
There would be little point in this CC forum if all the topic's were
"I love my company because...."
and
"My company is great because.."
As for new recruits being put off, well there's bad things to be said about every airline on here. They should make their own judgements when / if they join.
GET A GRIP!!!!
These forums are for discussion, people to share both good and bad information and experiences from their respective company's.
There would be little point in this CC forum if all the topic's were
"I love my company because...."
and
"My company is great because.."
As for new recruits being put off, well there's bad things to be said about every airline on here. They should make their own judgements when / if they join.
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Got to agree with FormerFlyer (above).
I now work in an office and was reading this post yesterday at work (during my lunch break before anyone questions that!).
As another former employee of bmed I have to agree with the negative comments people are saying. I left 2 years ago and at that time things were going from bad to worse. It saddens me that things still have not improved and by the sounds of it have got much, much worse.
Its a shame that the management cannot recognise the dedication, loyalty and professionalism of crew working at bmed and recognise this with promotions that are well-deserved. Instead, management thrive on promoting new entrants which I'm sure they perceive to be a punishment on those who's face does not fit with the CCM.
Its about time SW took hold of the situation and realised that the high degree of staff turnover can be attributed to one thing, or should I say one person.
I now work in an office and was reading this post yesterday at work (during my lunch break before anyone questions that!).
As another former employee of bmed I have to agree with the negative comments people are saying. I left 2 years ago and at that time things were going from bad to worse. It saddens me that things still have not improved and by the sounds of it have got much, much worse.
Its a shame that the management cannot recognise the dedication, loyalty and professionalism of crew working at bmed and recognise this with promotions that are well-deserved. Instead, management thrive on promoting new entrants which I'm sure they perceive to be a punishment on those who's face does not fit with the CCM.
Its about time SW took hold of the situation and realised that the high degree of staff turnover can be attributed to one thing, or should I say one person.
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I just want to add my bit to this thread.
I too am an ex-BMED crew member and it really saddens me to hear how things have changed. I jumped ship 5 years ago for bigger and what I thought would be better things. I soon realised what a great airline I had left, and flying has never been the same for me since. I appreciate that most people remember their first airline with fondness, but I can truly say I really enjoyed my time at BMED.
I made some great friends there, many that I am still in touch with. I had some fantastic trips and will always remember those room parties in TBS, once having to make up meal trays in the back galley during boarding in ASB because the government had sacked all the caterers, and those split duty shuttles to Bishkek when you would all gather in Club for some kip but only once you had helped to clean the aircraft and brought all the catering up from the hold!!!
I cant comment on the current situation as obviously things have changed, the airline has grown and people have moved on.
One word of warning from one who knows. The grass is not always greener and sometimes you dont appreciate what you have until its too late.
Regards
Northern Star
I too am an ex-BMED crew member and it really saddens me to hear how things have changed. I jumped ship 5 years ago for bigger and what I thought would be better things. I soon realised what a great airline I had left, and flying has never been the same for me since. I appreciate that most people remember their first airline with fondness, but I can truly say I really enjoyed my time at BMED.
I made some great friends there, many that I am still in touch with. I had some fantastic trips and will always remember those room parties in TBS, once having to make up meal trays in the back galley during boarding in ASB because the government had sacked all the caterers, and those split duty shuttles to Bishkek when you would all gather in Club for some kip but only once you had helped to clean the aircraft and brought all the catering up from the hold!!!
I cant comment on the current situation as obviously things have changed, the airline has grown and people have moved on.
One word of warning from one who knows. The grass is not always greener and sometimes you dont appreciate what you have until its too late.
Regards
Northern Star
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Small airlines often have to employ direct entries, however, there is no excuse for doing so when there are PLENTY of excellent crew who've done their time with the company, worked their days off, worked xmas & new year, worked on severely delayed flights year in, year out, etc. The biggest reason for this is due to 'sickness'. Please? Is the CCM ever there to do deal with this, or is she ........ ops.......... off sick again with stress? Agreed its about time someone higher up finally did something about this. However, as thisisbetter mentioned, ccm isn't only problem. Doubt that midland will ever want back our training manager either. Common knowledge they couldn't believe their good luck when he left. EasyJet didn't want him either!
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Oh My God!
Well I have just been offered a position of Cabin Crew with bmed.
I work for Va at the moment and thought that Bmed would be a good move as it is smaller and more 'family' like.
I just not sure what to do?!? What do I do? Really put off by the comments made.
I do love flying and the people in the job.
Just really
confused about it now.
Not sure if any one is able to help.
The money at VA is not great but okay. Heard Bmed money is good.
Thank you for any info. xoxox
I work for Va at the moment and thought that Bmed would be a good move as it is smaller and more 'family' like.
I just not sure what to do?!? What do I do? Really put off by the comments made.
I do love flying and the people in the job.
Just really
confused about it now.Not sure if any one is able to help.
The money at VA is not great but okay. Heard Bmed money is good.
Thank you for any info. xoxox
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Bmed use to value exsisting crew's opinions when it came to recruitment,but they REALLY lost the plot when they took on that pompous SEP instucture from midland ,regardless of the fact so many ex-midland crew came foward spilling the beans on his 'antics' on a 'certain naughty website' that led to a few days suspension!(well,I guess its one way of getting days off!)...It just amazes me how an SEP manager can take 'so lonnnng' to re-write the long awaited safety manual,and actually get it.....errr.....WRONG??!! mean,please! What would the CAA have to say if they knew he was sending the boys and girls out online with an incorrect manual? surely that cant be right?! Obviously he had a' little bit more 'on his mind than BCF's and ESB's(not that they are called that anymore!...oh no! that would be FAR TOO EASY to keep abreviations that have been around for the last 30yrs.....no,from now on,they shall be known simply as 'B' and 'S'...well it does make sense(doesnt it?????) No,his attentions are far more focused on the 'luvvly linda lusardi'(well lets face it,she certainly dresses like her!) Yes the pair of them are just the 'perfect duo'...like Anthony and Cleopatra...?Romeo and Juliet....?Peaches and Cream!!! Well maybe not...more like 'THE KRAY TWINS'!!! evil to the core.
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Northern Star - that post made me remember some of the good old days!!!
I even remember sleeping on the aircraft and crew having their favourite places to sleep then having the ground staff knock on the door asking, "are you guys ready for passengers?" whilst still looking like crap!
I left a while ago so I can't comment on the present CCM but it's a sad fact that in aviation, nothing stays the same forever and sometimes things change for the worse.
For Virgin82 - think very carefully about why you want to leave VS and why you think Bmed is better. The money can be good yes, but remember that you can expect to be away from a lot and to some 'unique' destinations - very different to the VS route network. I'd say also just to weigh up the pros and cons and feel free perhaps to pm people on here who seem to be either ex or current employees. My motto is; if in doubt, don't.
Good luck
I even remember sleeping on the aircraft and crew having their favourite places to sleep then having the ground staff knock on the door asking, "are you guys ready for passengers?" whilst still looking like crap!I left a while ago so I can't comment on the present CCM but it's a sad fact that in aviation, nothing stays the same forever and sometimes things change for the worse.
For Virgin82 - think very carefully about why you want to leave VS and why you think Bmed is better. The money can be good yes, but remember that you can expect to be away from a lot and to some 'unique' destinations - very different to the VS route network. I'd say also just to weigh up the pros and cons and feel free perhaps to pm people on here who seem to be either ex or current employees. My motto is; if in doubt, don't.
Good luck
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this has had me in stitches! its so funny. yes have had some great times and remember cleaning sleeping and catering on the aircraft. those were the fun times!
I REALLY REALLY hope that upper management are reading these comments and doing something about the 2 main culprits! they really have destroyed what was once a very unique airline.
there have been enough departure meetings with HR (yes for those of you that have left there is an HR department!) for them to realize whats what. everyone who I speak too gives the same feedback.
Its true they have said to crew you cannot have promotion due to sickness, even backed up by a doctors note! yet the ccm has sickness days willy nilly due to stress. it hardly sets the example! bit like the grooming!
wake up bmed before you lose anymore excellent crew! we all know its said "we can go to tesco and get more" but all the experience crew will be gone. the destinations are not somewhere that the younger generation find appealing! you are going to end up in a mess.
finally can someone tell me why are new entrants made to do a song and dance on last day of course? am I missing something???? when a new recruit does the full monty on wings day in front of all, it really does speak volumes about the ccm! enough said.
I REALLY REALLY hope that upper management are reading these comments and doing something about the 2 main culprits! they really have destroyed what was once a very unique airline.
there have been enough departure meetings with HR (yes for those of you that have left there is an HR department!) for them to realize whats what. everyone who I speak too gives the same feedback.
Its true they have said to crew you cannot have promotion due to sickness, even backed up by a doctors note! yet the ccm has sickness days willy nilly due to stress. it hardly sets the example! bit like the grooming!
wake up bmed before you lose anymore excellent crew! we all know its said "we can go to tesco and get more" but all the experience crew will be gone. the destinations are not somewhere that the younger generation find appealing! you are going to end up in a mess.
finally can someone tell me why are new entrants made to do a song and dance on last day of course? am I missing something???? when a new recruit does the full monty on wings day in front of all, it really does speak volumes about the ccm! enough said.
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I have been pi$$in myself, at some of these threads, WOT A CARRY ON !!!!!!!
We know the main axis of evil, lies lurking somewhere between a potted palm and a sugarpuffs box...not so sure on the comments about our training manager tho!!!
Lets be honest, none of you even read the bloody book anyway, a bit of a tip i was given, as long as you know where your BCF and smoke hood are...your half way there...Yes a succesfull evacuation relies on good training...however i also think it is down to the individuals, competency and quick thinking...something a little red book cant drill into anyone!!!
Hey Whats happened to our REACT Training, I loved havin that huge geezer come running up tro my face screaming!
"Im gonna cut Your f%£IN Face UP"
That really used to be the highlite of my refreshers!!
I believe were having "Conflict Management" sessions....
"NO SIR YOU CANT HAVE A 15TH SCOTCH AND COKE...THE CREW NEED THEIR CARRY OFF!"
Bring back the NUTTER !!!!!!
Well my lovelies...Im off to press my Paul Costelloe (LACK OF VOUCHERS HUMPH HUMPH!!) and lovingly shine my shoes....
We have had some fantastic times here...im not sure if i enjoyed sleeping at row 7 on my FRU'S as much as you all seem to did though...but we really musnt loose hope...maybe weve had our good days and the memories will always make me smile and blush!!! We still do have some fantastic crew and employers at B-Med...Im still there for one!!!
LETS TAKE IT ON THE BULKHEAD...AND GOODNESS WILL PREVAIL!
CARRY ON B-MED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We know the main axis of evil, lies lurking somewhere between a potted palm and a sugarpuffs box...not so sure on the comments about our training manager tho!!!
Lets be honest, none of you even read the bloody book anyway, a bit of a tip i was given, as long as you know where your BCF and smoke hood are...your half way there...Yes a succesfull evacuation relies on good training...however i also think it is down to the individuals, competency and quick thinking...something a little red book cant drill into anyone!!!
Hey Whats happened to our REACT Training, I loved havin that huge geezer come running up tro my face screaming!
"Im gonna cut Your f%£IN Face UP"
That really used to be the highlite of my refreshers!!
I believe were having "Conflict Management" sessions....
"NO SIR YOU CANT HAVE A 15TH SCOTCH AND COKE...THE CREW NEED THEIR CARRY OFF!"
Bring back the NUTTER !!!!!!
Well my lovelies...Im off to press my Paul Costelloe (LACK OF VOUCHERS HUMPH HUMPH!!) and lovingly shine my shoes....
We have had some fantastic times here...im not sure if i enjoyed sleeping at row 7 on my FRU'S as much as you all seem to did though...but we really musnt loose hope...maybe weve had our good days and the memories will always make me smile and blush!!! We still do have some fantastic crew and employers at B-Med...Im still there for one!!!
LETS TAKE IT ON THE BULKHEAD...AND GOODNESS WILL PREVAIL!
CARRY ON B-MED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I never slept in row 7 that's for sure cos you couldn't put the armrests up
oh no, I was halfway down economy or in the back galley!!
Thanks for the trips down memory lane guys, remember doing the Luxors'? brief that they were.
On a serious note, I hope things change for the better soon for the current BMed cc's.
oh no, I was halfway down economy or in the back galley!!Thanks for the trips down memory lane guys, remember doing the Luxors'? brief that they were.
On a serious note, I hope things change for the better soon for the current BMed cc's.
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THE WORLDS WORST!!!!!!
They seem to think B-Med is better then BA!!! It is nothing more than a mickey mouse outfit.
I used to work at B-Med but still have friends there. Things seem to be getting worse, I mean it was bad when I was there but the latest stories are horrendous.
I would advise any people due to join to stay well away!! They have the most rude, unprofessional manager you could ever wish to meet. She will never support or back you up unless you are one of her clonies.
They treat their crew like S**T. Having them sit on the aircraft for up to 9 hours then working a 5-6 hour flight (Just one of the many things I don't miss) Aircraft are rarely on the ground, so with the delay they find it a perfect oppurtunity for newly promoted AP'S to have a aircraft visit, surely they know how to switch an oven on and operate cabin lighting!!!! You do have to look back and laugh though.
Their whole promotion THING IS JUST CRAZY. If your face does not fit then you have had it!
Hope the relevant people are taking note. Things have got to change for the crew still there.
They seem to think B-Med is better then BA!!! It is nothing more than a mickey mouse outfit.
I used to work at B-Med but still have friends there. Things seem to be getting worse, I mean it was bad when I was there but the latest stories are horrendous.
I would advise any people due to join to stay well away!! They have the most rude, unprofessional manager you could ever wish to meet. She will never support or back you up unless you are one of her clonies.
They treat their crew like S**T. Having them sit on the aircraft for up to 9 hours then working a 5-6 hour flight (Just one of the many things I don't miss) Aircraft are rarely on the ground, so with the delay they find it a perfect oppurtunity for newly promoted AP'S to have a aircraft visit, surely they know how to switch an oven on and operate cabin lighting!!!! You do have to look back and laugh though.
Their whole promotion THING IS JUST CRAZY. If your face does not fit then you have had it!
Hope the relevant people are taking note. Things have got to change for the crew still there.
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I hear that SW and the HR "department" are checking this site daily for updates! so thought I would add some input to keep them going!
Lets face it, it really is time something was done about LF and even RR come to that. They have both had enough chances to prove themselves. Its all well and good PONDSKIPPER saying we are not working in the office and the crew enjoy themselves downroute. But what about having some kind of respect for the crew from the office based staff (ie;LF the cabin crew manager!). What about morale? It would certainly improve with a "good morning, hello" or even a smile. Not a miserable look and a door slam as she see's the crew coming. Alas I do feel it really is too late for these two (kray twins! loved that one). But lets be honest SW recruited them both so cannot lose face over these. ship em out SW and you will soon see morale improve, gain that respet you once had and prove yourself as a good manager. you were not so slack at firing crew even with so little evidence so why hang around when the evidence is slapping you in the face???
Have to agree with the comments about "different varients" on the same type A/C. I have never known anything like it! I had to do my location "WRONG" to pass my exams on my refreshers???? when I complained we were confronted with RR telling us to do it as per the manual. BUT IT'S WRONG we replied. imagine the confusion when on board when things are not as per the book???
Again he has had enough chances. SHIP HIM OUT. imagine if crew behaved in this way? what a different story that would be. there were very suitable applicants (one in particular) who could have been brilliant at this job.(as was the one already covering it). i have made investigations regarding some of the allegations on this site. all I'm saying speak to any midland crew! funny how any ex midland crew made very quick exits when he arrived!!!
So why did so many crew go to BA? do you think they saw it as a better option? do you think MOST of these people would have gone if it was not for the above two mentioned people? No not attal. most people that have gone should still be with us. they were in the twilight of their careers. they have gone to BA to be junior crew??? come on SW read between the lines.
FINALLY (I think?) NITESTOP; I love your humour! ever thought of doing stand up commedy????? how about *** and *** as their new names???? bless you for bringing tears of laughter to my eyes.
oh and one more thing! monarch have a very good reputation! strict but fare,
over and out!
Lets face it, it really is time something was done about LF and even RR come to that. They have both had enough chances to prove themselves. Its all well and good PONDSKIPPER saying we are not working in the office and the crew enjoy themselves downroute. But what about having some kind of respect for the crew from the office based staff (ie;LF the cabin crew manager!). What about morale? It would certainly improve with a "good morning, hello" or even a smile. Not a miserable look and a door slam as she see's the crew coming. Alas I do feel it really is too late for these two (kray twins! loved that one). But lets be honest SW recruited them both so cannot lose face over these. ship em out SW and you will soon see morale improve, gain that respet you once had and prove yourself as a good manager. you were not so slack at firing crew even with so little evidence so why hang around when the evidence is slapping you in the face???
Have to agree with the comments about "different varients" on the same type A/C. I have never known anything like it! I had to do my location "WRONG" to pass my exams on my refreshers???? when I complained we were confronted with RR telling us to do it as per the manual. BUT IT'S WRONG we replied. imagine the confusion when on board when things are not as per the book???
Again he has had enough chances. SHIP HIM OUT. imagine if crew behaved in this way? what a different story that would be. there were very suitable applicants (one in particular) who could have been brilliant at this job.(as was the one already covering it). i have made investigations regarding some of the allegations on this site. all I'm saying speak to any midland crew! funny how any ex midland crew made very quick exits when he arrived!!!
So why did so many crew go to BA? do you think they saw it as a better option? do you think MOST of these people would have gone if it was not for the above two mentioned people? No not attal. most people that have gone should still be with us. they were in the twilight of their careers. they have gone to BA to be junior crew??? come on SW read between the lines.
FINALLY (I think?) NITESTOP; I love your humour! ever thought of doing stand up commedy????? how about *** and *** as their new names???? bless you for bringing tears of laughter to my eyes.
oh and one more thing! monarch have a very good reputation! strict but fare,
over and out!
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Many of the crew feel that SW has let them down. Whilst she's happy to sit there and pretend to all concerned when crew talk to her about the above mentioned people, absolutely nothing is done about it and it never will. You see ......... its the old 'stick head in sand' syndrome and hope it all goes away. Both M*** and I*** have made it no secret that they think its good to have lost so many crew to BA and in particular the older crew that worked their pants off to put Bmed where it is today, because if it weren't for the shear good will of these crew, there would be no Bmed. Bmed, although not without its problems over the years, has always been a reasonably fun airline to work for. Yes, you work like a dog but morale was always pretty good, until those two came along.
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I know SW is two faced but she is so good at it. Even if she only pretends to your face, she has you beleive she cares! This does make her come across somewhat better than "m***". Then again I suppose you know where you stand with her. My goodness what a bunch!
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Tee hee, made me chuckle
Sounds very similar to AEU.
Even them wanting you to sing and dance on your wings day! (how pathetic)!
And before I get slated for slagging off the "up on the pedastle" airline, would just like to say, even though it has faults I did enjoy my flying there. Crews need to stick together! Even though thats difficult when you dont get promoted through experience and hard work, if you are in the right club, you will be!!!!
Ooops getting carried away now.
Just like to say good luck to you all, and I really do hope things get better for you.
Pinni
Even them wanting you to sing and dance on your wings day! (how pathetic)!
And before I get slated for slagging off the "up on the pedastle" airline, would just like to say, even though it has faults I did enjoy my flying there. Crews need to stick together! Even though thats difficult when you dont get promoted through experience and hard work, if you are in the right club, you will be!!!!
Ooops getting carried away now.
Just like to say good luck to you all, and I really do hope things get better for you.
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Wings Day
I will never forget my wings day with BMED
Everyone was waiting with anticipation in their uniforms for SW and the rest of her gang to come and give out our wings and drinks.
Mrs SW came in the room and everyone sang happy birthday to Miss A Parkhouse (she cried Awww!!). Then SW read out a list of names (while the fat security controller IG looked on with a smirk). The ones not on the list were asked to stay in one room while the others were asked to remain.
Even though SW her gang and the MD of BMED had assured everyone that all was well post 9/11
She sacked around half the people on the course just like that while everyone was still in their uniforms.
Nice woman nice bunch least you know where you stand with her/them?
Good luck on your wings day if you are about to start on one of the many ongoing AB initio courses and remember believe nothing and trust no one.
You have been right royaly warned.
All the best
Maximilian
Everyone was waiting with anticipation in their uniforms for SW and the rest of her gang to come and give out our wings and drinks.
Mrs SW came in the room and everyone sang happy birthday to Miss A Parkhouse (she cried Awww!!). Then SW read out a list of names (while the fat security controller IG looked on with a smirk). The ones not on the list were asked to stay in one room while the others were asked to remain.
Even though SW her gang and the MD of BMED had assured everyone that all was well post 9/11
She sacked around half the people on the course just like that while everyone was still in their uniforms.
Nice woman nice bunch least you know where you stand with her/them?
Good luck on your wings day if you are about to start on one of the many ongoing AB initio courses and remember believe nothing and trust no one.
You have been right royaly warned.
All the best
Maximilian
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Has anyone noticed the resemblance of the prison governor in ITV's 'BAD GIRLS' to that of the CCM?!...yes,while I was watching the nasty woman at work the other night,I thought how similar the two charactars were..and strangely they 'almost' share the same name!! how appropriate is that?!! and having watched the role of the governor in 'Bad Girls',I am inclined to think it really might be a more suitable vocation for Miss F.....time for a career change maybe? surely her qualities would be far more suitable to the 'Scrubs'?!!!
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In many ways this thread reflects the best of this particular part of the site.
Someone is not happy with their company. They post that. Debate ensues.. someone comes in and say you are so lucky to be doing the job I want how dare you grumble (by the way, I've kept you a blank post for 4 years time when you ARE working and discover that the grass is not just not as green as you thought, but is cheap, imported astroturf, and I'd write a nasty post but I'm about to go into discretion.. again........ get the drift? We've seen it before many thousand times.)
Errrrr.... pause a moment before posting sometimes folks. Constructive appears before Destructive in the alphabet...
Someone is not happy with their company. They post that. Debate ensues.. someone comes in and say you are so lucky to be doing the job I want how dare you grumble (by the way, I've kept you a blank post for 4 years time when you ARE working and discover that the grass is not just not as green as you thought, but is cheap, imported astroturf, and I'd write a nasty post but I'm about to go into discretion.. again........ get the drift? We've seen it before many thousand times.)
Errrrr.... pause a moment before posting sometimes folks. Constructive appears before Destructive in the alphabet...