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tiggerific_69 14th Mar 2007 10:55

Best thing to do is speak to them. The people who came over from BA Connect who are being based in London City but are currently operating out of EDI have been provided with accomodation,because they are away from base, so i would presume this would be the same for training. Point out to them that you were originally told that at least some of the training would be at LCY and that you are too far from LGW to commute & unable to afford hotel accomodation nr LGW because of being on basic wage for the first couple of months. Thats not very fair if they dont provide you accomodation :ouch:

sadiegirl 14th Mar 2007 11:02

Hi, and thanks will give it a go, and let you know what happens. x

marlowe 14th Mar 2007 16:02

BAcityflyer at no point did i say that chippyfryer was a franchise, i just said that i was told never to base a career on a BA franchise and if it makes you feel better i will add or a subsidery!!!!!! wise words that i hope you heed!!

sadiegirl 15th Mar 2007 15:07

Hi, apparently no accomodation, for the training at LGW, which is going to make it very hard going, its a shame, as thought it was going to be at LCY, not sure what to do about job now, as will cost at least approx £400 to stay down at LGW for the duration.

Location 15th Mar 2007 15:45

See that is Naughty but thats how British Airways plays the game as they know so many people want to work for them including myself .

I would still go for the job as there was a big article in the Evening Standard that BA are looking to make LCY a good adventure due to all the Bussiness in the area Banks etc and that they want to purchase/Bid for a take over of VLM (Belgo-Dutch Airline ) . And they have a order of a few new A318 , Which can operate out of city Airport .

Just bite the bullet and go for it !!;)

Oh and dont forget the big Games in 2012 , I take back what I said in my first post I think this adventure might just work out .

tiggerific_69 15th Mar 2007 17:52

Want to buy VLM & have ordered A318's?where did you hear this Location?

Location 15th Mar 2007 18:05

BA and A318 .
 
http://www.aeroworldnet.com/images99/pixel_spacer.gifhttp://www.aeroworldnet.com/images99/pixel_spacer.gif

British Airways Picks A318 Over Boeing 717 For Narrowbody Purchase

http://www.aeroworldnet.com/images/318bat.jpgAirbus Industrie won the prized 100-seat airliner order from British Airways last week ending a heated battle with rival manufacturer Boeing.
The award surprised many who expected the airline to choose the Boeing 717-200, particularly after Boeing agreed to buy 34 aging 757s from BA for a new cargo conversion program. (See related story)
BA will buy as many as 24 Airbus A318s in the form of 12 firm and 12 options for the aircraft. The firm order at list prices is valued as high as $470 million, although it is highly doubtful BA paid prices that high.
Speculation that Airbus was taking significant losses on the deal for this breakthrough A318 order began immediately after the order was announced on Monday. No parties in the transaction would reveal purchase prices, and despite denials from Airbus, the discount on this particular order is believed to be deep.
Winning a high-profile, blue chip customer like BA is a tremendous endorsement for either aircraft program. Boeing has 115 sales for its 717-200, plus 13 pending from Hawaiian Airlines, but its top customers for the aircraft (AirTran and Trans World Airlines) are not in the best financial situations.
Many expected Boeing's purchase of the BA 757s would sway the airline to award it the 717 business, and that BA would prefer the fact that the 717-200 is already in the market. The A318 will not be available for another 18 months. But in Airbus's favor is that BA most recently ordered single-aisle planes from them.
In fact, BA said their decision in favor of the A318 was based on commonality with its existing A320s, which means the airline would save dramatically on pilot and crew training costs. BA also said the residual values are likely to be better for the A318.
The A318s will be powered by the Pratt & Whitney PW6000 engine, which so far is used only on this aircraft. The engine program is quite dependent on the success of the A318.
Airbus now has 45 sales for its A318, not counting options and other unsigned deals. The total number of orders and commitments for the A318 is 157, Airbus says.
Contrary to some reports last week, Boeing says it is not deciding the fate of the 717 by the end of the year. "Boeing completed its analysis of the 717 and other programs last spring and it passed muster," said Boeing spokesperson Sean Griffin. "That's why Boeing took the 717 to Paris to pronounce and demonstrate its commitment to the 717 program. Boeing is fully committed to the Boeing 717."

And about VLM ..I can always post you a copy of the article in the Newspaper ;)

tiggerific_69 15th Mar 2007 18:50

lol fair do's! it seems very mainliney tho...and doesnt say that they'll be used in LCY ;)

Location 15th Mar 2007 18:56

Lol ..I think they might as it can fly to LCY as
Air france did a test for Airbus or it might just be replacing the 757's

:ok:

marlowe 15th Mar 2007 19:06

Location so? doesnt say that the 318 will be for Cityflyer and LCY please do not get mainline and Cityflyer confused!!!! would be V interested in reading the VLM article though as i can see the advantage in gaining there slots at LCY, but what people have to remember is that BACF is gonna have to show some profit before Willie invests serious money into it we have seen it all before with BACE/BACON. BACF is just the slightly dodgy phoenix rising from the the funeral pyre of those companies .

Location 15th Mar 2007 19:15

marlowe did you not comment on my wise words in my previous post ?

I do know the difference just if you read the article the headlines where the following :
"BA ready for growth take-off at city hub " and it says Willie Walsh wants his cityflyer operation at docklands airport to achieve profit margins of at least 10% . The number of flights is to be increased by 70% to 250 a week . So me think they might need more Aircraft .

HZ123 15th Mar 2007 19:20

I think this is journalistic license. A318 cannot replace the 757 and the 717 is already out of production. I believe that the 318 although having trialed LCY has not yet been cleared for operations. BA is hardly likely to buy new a/c when there is a glut of RJ's around for hire or sale at knock down prices. Lets hope its a huge sucess. LGW have blocked of April and May for Cityflyer CC training at hangar 6.

Location 15th Mar 2007 19:32

A318 at LCY .
 
Please read ..
http://www.londoncityairport.com/ind...wStory&sId=960

"This new aircraft is expected eventually to replace existing aircraft such as the BAE 146".

And don't forget airlines are going more Green and old aircraft would not help that solution and it's bad press for British Airways if they want to be seen as a industry leader .

gps117 15th Mar 2007 20:30

BA Cityflyer
 
For those guys that are just starting...wish you all the luck in the world. Its a fab oppurtunity to start at a new airline. yes its a subsidary but your wearing the same uniform as us and, you are classed as a BA employee (for most parts) and should you choose to move to LHR you keep your date of joing for staff travel etc. i was with bacx for 6 months and transfered to LHR. Yes you have to do the course again, but to be honest the customr service side was ident to my traing at bacx..it was even the same slides, just a differnet logo, and as for the interview it was the same criteria!

Middle Seat 15th Mar 2007 21:43

uhm..pedantic, but VLM is Belgian, not Dutch, and I'm sure all Belgium would like to point out that V is not K. :}

marlowe 15th Mar 2007 22:10

Location, the article is almost a year old and the word mainline in it does not refer to mainline BA just the journalist meaning that the aircraft can do longer sectors, the only "new" aircraft that Cityflyer is likely to get is the 85RJ the smaller lighter version of the RJ100, rumour has it that at least two have been earmarked and they will be swapped for two RJ100s. The presentation i sat through actually talked about Embraer195s so go figure, mind you it also said that LCY was building a second runway!!! ( insert howls of laughter!) there is a plan to extend the stands out over the water at stand 1 end of the airport but that is still at the talking stage and it would have to be completed before you could realistically operate 318s into the airport, its not just about the runway you gotta park them as well!! At the moment the only aircraft that can get the most pax out is the RJ100 and that has limited capability on certain days .gps117 i think it should be said that when you transfered from MAN it was because mainline were recruiting and also that BACX were looking to offload crew from the MAN base, the fact still remains that there was and still is no RIGHT of transfer into mainline at the time it was mutually beneficial for all parties involved.The word transfered is a little misleading in your post.

Airbourne-Adamski 16th Mar 2007 17:12

Would love to of seen the A318 coming into LCY.
I was fun enough in my older days going in there on the 146.
Not sure if i would like to be on the A318 going into LCY with cross winds :yuk:

Jam-Man 16th Mar 2007 22:36

VLM not KLM!!
 
Well done middle seat. A lot of people left the K to join the V and I can tell you all there is a big, big difference between the two! VLM is a great little company to work for, and if there is any truth in the article it would be a real shame for them to be swallowed by a company that couldn't find its backside with both hands on a sunny day! That's assuming BA itself isn't swallowed in the meantime as it has performed so badly over recent years it is becoming a prime candidate for a takeover bid... Staggereing from one disaster to another is a sure way to put yourself on the corporate takeover shopping lists! I'm sure Mr personality at Ryanair is watching with interest!!:eek: :uhoh: :ooh: :{ :ok:

Airbourne-Adamski 17th Mar 2007 15:43


I'm sure Mr personality at Ryanair is watching with interest!!
God forbid,

sadiegirl 18th Mar 2007 11:09

Hi, start training on 26th, and im going to be 50%, can anyone enlighten me as to how week on/week off, hours run, not sure whether to do this or the 11 days a month, would really appreciate any help. cheers:8

teacoffee 19th Mar 2007 12:33

Hi had an interview on friday & wondered if anyone has heard anything yet?
Fingers crossed!:)

tiggerific_69 19th Mar 2007 15:51

on friday??you wont hear yet,i had my interview on the 28th Feb and am STILL waiting to hear....

marlowe 21st Mar 2007 10:11

Sadiegirl there really is no use in asking what the rosters/days off/weekends are going to be just yet, because nobody knows!!! The LCY base set up is a complete mess. After being told it was a nightstop base the april rosters have given virtually all the nightstops to the EDI crews they even get nights in GLA and also nightstop in London??????? The established BACON crews who have moved to LCY base are not happy chappies!!!!! Also when is the base suppose to open? the crews are supposed to be self sufficient at LCY by the 25th of March but no passes/car park passes have been actioned theres not even a crew room yet! does anybody know whats going on?

towser 25th Mar 2007 13:40

Teacoffee;
It needs a few months to settle down to see how things are really going to be , however if you want to be home every night don't think about it! If you don't mind being away quite a lot then it looks like it could be quite good fun.

marlowe 25th Mar 2007 18:28

The rosters are chaotic, basically the ops department are fire fighting each day as it comes, crews getting lots of phone calls down route changing there duties from one day to another, i have not found one crew member yet who has actually worked what is on there published roster!!! ops didnt even know how they were going to get crew in position from EDI i heard they had to hire a kingair at the last moment and fly them down to city today!!! (25th sunday).

marlowe 25th Mar 2007 19:06

No Milan nightstops, nightstops in Frankfurt, Madrid,Glasgow, Zurich, London,Edinburgh as for length of time there, well have you a calendar???? cos once you down route expect calls telling you to stay there! at the moment you plan to be away for example one night and five days later your still there!!!

PepsiLight 28th Jun 2007 14:06

BA Cityflyer Rosters
 
Hey... I just got a job offer with BA CityFlyer (haven't accepted yet!). Are the rosters still a shambles? Does anyone know the kind of hours/ overnights I might expect working 50% based at Edinburgh? :bored:

marlowe 29th Jun 2007 08:34

Pepsilight you will not get 50% roster from the start, you will be full time and then have to apply for part time afterwards if available at the base. The only way you will get part time from the start is if you have children under the age of five i think there is some law that states that, i am sure someone will be able to clarify that.

PepsiLight 30th Jun 2007 22:47

50%
 
Cheers Marlowe ..good to be warned! Do you know what 50% on the rosters look likes anyway ..is it 7 days on and a few hours each day or 3-4 days with long hours? ..and roughly how many overnighters do you get each week (if you're full time or if you're 50%) :hmm:

MMCC76 1st Jul 2007 19:04

Working at BA Cityflyer
 
Hi, to all those waiting to start at Cityflyer, things have settled down now after the chaos we went through setting the new base/company up. It was very stressful and our rosters were all over the place but they are ok now! If you have been offered a position as part-time then that's what you will be, there are new entrants all ready online with part-time rosters so please don't worry.
Depending on what base your at could depend on the amount of time you are away, as it stands edi tours more than lcy, but lcy still get tours. Any more advice just ask.

kem1880 1st Jul 2007 19:43

New Start at BA Cityflyer
 
Hello! I'm starting with Cityflyer in EDI on the 30th July. Would love to hear a bit more about rosters and nightsops etc. I'm really looking forward to it despite some of the negative things I've read. Would love to hear from anyone else starting at the same time!

HZ123 2nd Jul 2007 17:50

Out of interest where does this training now take place. Surely not at Man and what type of in-flite service is offered. Are the management BA mainline on secndment or CF people.

PepsiLight 2nd Jul 2007 20:47

Training/ Rosters/ Nightstays
 
I'm starting training on 30th July for EDI and it'll be in Livingstone (close to EDI). Can anyone tell me more details about rosters/ nightstays? I'm completely new to all this and have no idea what the 50% (1 week on/ 1 week off) means. Do you fly for the likes of 10 hours per day, 7 days per week with the likes of 1 overnight stay in your week? :confused: Apologies if my question is completely dumb and thanks for any help anyone can give! :)

PepsiLight 2nd Jul 2007 20:50

CF Training
 
Meant to say ..have no idea what type of in-flight service is offered (what's the options?) ..and I don't know whether the management is BA seccondees or CF (sorry!)

MMCC76 3rd Jul 2007 18:19

Rosters and service
 
Hiya PepsiLight,

There are no set hours for each day, (except whats legally allowed) you might get a quick flight to london and back, then another day you could be on a 3 day trip to madrid, you could end up in london for a night and then out to frankfurt for a night, it varies each month.

The service is really easy everything is complimentary! We do a Club Europe cabin and a Euro traveller cabin, the service differs but its soooo easy don't worry about it.

I'm not quite sure how your roster will work but you might do so many days in a row then have a couple of weeks off. My friend is 50% and loves it!

Anything else either PM me or post.

PepsiLight 3rd Jul 2007 19:17

Great To Know!
 
Thanks MMCC76! ..that helps me BIG time! :D

imogen 3rd Jul 2007 20:09

Recruitment
 
Will BA cf be recruiting again out of Edinburgh? Will they ever have a base in Glasgow (flew with Loganair for several years) thanks in advance for any info

marlowe 4th Jul 2007 15:01

Supposedly a course starts on 30th of july for EDI

bhoy007 5th Jul 2007 21:54

Website
 
Hiya

I was wondering if anyone could give me the web address for BA Cityflyer, Please!
Just i have been trying to google it but i am not getting anywhere, Hmmm

Thank You!

pamann 6th May 2008 17:44

Also I have a friend who wants to apply as cabin crew for BA Cityflyer at LCY. Can someone let me know where he should start, what website to go onto and if recruitment is currently taking place.

Thanks


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