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TheAirMission 7th November 2023 07:01


Originally Posted by Sjef van Oekel (Post 11534729)
Have there been any significant pay rises in the last few months at NJE or is pilotjobsnetwork reliable? Will recruitment open again soon?

We had a 10.21% pay rise in January becuase of the OECD inflation. Not sure if that would apply to new members as the entry salary is 58.5 for the first two years (I made over 100K with all the flying pay for the first year) and then it rises to 66K inflation corrected, potentialy including the 10.21% year. Recruitment wise will likely re open later on, as there are huge retirements. But we have a few guys and girls waiting for a start date from this years assessments. With a new start date starting in January 24

EatMyShorts! 7th November 2023 12:59

The new entry salaries have been corrected for inflation this year and we are talking about 64k for the first two years and 82k (or so) in the third year. Add a few tens of thousands of EUR in productivity boni on top of this. In a normal working year, an F/O can easily double his salary this way. But: the main reason to come and work here is, because you enjoy the job and its dynamic nature. Otherwise all the money in the world will not make you happy.

Moonwalker 7th November 2023 17:39


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11534902)
The new entry salaries have been corrected for inflation this year and we are talking about 64k for the first two years and 82k (or so) in the third year. Add a few tens of thousands of EUR in productivity boni on top of this. In a normal working year, an F/O can easily double his salary this way. But: the main reason to come and work here is, because you enjoy the job and its dynamic nature. Otherwise all the money in the world will not make you happy.

Can you start with a 80% part time contract from day one?

TheAirMission 7th November 2023 18:08


Originally Posted by Moonwalker (Post 11535048)
Can you start with a 80% part time contract from day one?

No I do not believe that is possible. it is a yearly thing.

EatMyShorts! 7th November 2023 21:33

No, you cannot. I think you can APPLY for FlexWork/part time after the first year in the company.

TheAirMission 8th November 2023 07:28

One could argue, that on a 6/5 roster from year 1 it is practically a part time roster compared to other gigs

EatMyShorts! 8th November 2023 12:32


Originally Posted by TheAirMission (Post 11535320)
One could argue, that on a 6/5 roster from year 1 it is practically a part time roster compared to other gigs

No, I would not say that. We usually work a lot on our tour days if someone has got a side business or needs/wants more time for his family or hobbies, why not? That's exactly what part time is for. At some point I also want to take advantage of the 7 months ON/5 months OFF roster.

TheAirMission 8th November 2023 18:52


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11535490)
No, I would not say that. We usually work a lot on our tour days if someone has got a side business or needs/wants more time for his family or hobbies, why not? That's exactly what part time is for. At some point I also want to take advantage of the 7 months ON/5 months OFF roster.

Apologies, I was comparing it compared to the airline rosters of the likes of easyjet and BA, where its rare to get 5 days off, (not possible at easyJet) on full time patterns. So what I mean is to go onto a 6/5 is pretty relaxed. Also, how ever hard we work on our duty days doesnt change regardless of being part time or not. Its the number of days after to rest! But I agree, I am glad to be in a company that offers actual PT options too.

EatMyShorts! 8th November 2023 21:20

I can assure you that at least I need my 5 days off between tours to keep my sanity. Sometimes I only get 4 days off, because I voluntarily work more (to make some extra cash) and I can feel it. 4 legs in our business jets are more draining than 4 legs on an airline where everything is prepared and ready. Of course, I do agree that 5 off days are great and are hard to find with the average airline and that's why hardly anyone leaves Netjets.

Zlip 12th November 2023 09:20

Hi everyone ! If someone is working from GVA as a gateway, can you drop me a PM? I have few questions. Thanks! :-)

Funtastic 5th December 2023 08:44

Good morning esteemed aviators,

1. Are there any advancements in the ongoing recruitment process, with new hires being called from the existing pool? Is the pool drained already? Additionally, is there a forthcoming recruitment process, or does the situation remain relatively unchanged?

2. Of particular curiosity, has there been any instance where European NJ pilots and/or CS-Jets have been deployed to the US to assist with their shortage? Is this a viable option under current legislation?
Given the reported challenges faced by the US NJ in retaining talent and attracting new hires, as per NJASP news, could a temporary exchange of crews serve as a potential solution?

Boabity 6th December 2023 00:13

Here's what I understand, it is by no means certain as with all things.
Precisely what the situation is with the pool I don't know but from what I understand I would expect more recruitment to happen again for this year. If not, just to stand still we will need to recruit annually. Keep an eye on the Kura Linked In page for updates.

European reg aircraft do go to the US to help out with their peak times, as with all aircraft and cabotage rules they can only help out with international flights. The pilots on these aircraft have to hold and EASA licence and work for NJE.
I think this has been a fairly long running thing and I don't believe it has anything to do with retention issues over there, I don't know what the situation is and hope that our colleagues in the US get a favourable deal from negotiations.
It would be unusual for someone to have a green card and the right to live and work in the EU/UK (plus both licences) and I think there may be a couple of colleagues who have worked in both but I can't say for sure. Flip flopping between the two would be really hard I imagine if not close to impossible. That said if you can work in the US and have an FAA licence NJ inc are hiring!

Duca 28th December 2023 21:25


Originally Posted by TheAirMission (Post 11534748)
Not sure if that would apply to new members as the entry salary is 58.5 for the first two years (I made over 100K with all the flying pay for the first year) and then it rises to 66K inflation corrected, potentialy including the 10.21% year.

Are those gross or net figures?

EatMyShorts! 28th December 2023 22:29


Originally Posted by Duca (Post 11563535)
Are those gross or net figures?

Gross. Depending on what country you live in,you will only have 25% Portuguese non-resident income tax deducted, plus social security in your country of residence.

Duca 29th December 2023 15:56


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11563570)
Gross. Depending on what country you live in,you will only have 25% Portuguese non-resident income tax deducted, plus social security in your country of residence.

Why there’s tax deduction in Portugual? And social security will be paid from the residual amount or based on the total amount (pre taxed amount)?

EatMyShorts! 29th December 2023 21:28


Originally Posted by Duca (Post 11563984)
Why there’s tax deduction in Portugual? And social security will be paid from the residual amount or based on the total amount (pre taxed amount)?

Because that is the way it works: we get our money from Portugal and as non-residents a flat tax of 25% is applied. In some EU-countries you'll have to pay the difference between your national income tax, in some countries you do not.

Social security is based on the total gross salary, of course. In my country of residence there is a cap on how much we have to pay for social security - I guess this is true in many other countries as well.

dirk85 30th December 2023 12:05

I have a few friends employed by portuguese companies (not NJ), resident in other countries, and some of them request to be credited their salary with no tax deductions at all (they fill a form called 21-rfi) and then pay full taxes in their country of residence.
Some prefere to have the 25% deduction and pay the difference at home.

Boabity 30th December 2023 14:43

That's good information - it may be that if you're a contractor it works - not so clear on if you're a salaried employee. That said it's worth folks with that problem looking at it.

dirk85 30th December 2023 16:40


Originally Posted by Boabity (Post 11564573)
That's good information - it may be that if you're a contractor it works - not so clear on if you're a salaried employee. That said it's worth folks with that problem looking at it.

The people i know are all salaried employee.

Duca 30th December 2023 19:05

Does anyone have experience with taxation being based in Italy? From what I read taxation would be 25% Portuguese deduction and social security to be paid in Italy regarding this industry. Can anyone confirm?


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