Hey guys,

Great thread! Really nice to see some comments from actual NJE pilots around how "real life" work scenarios would look like.

Anybody up for Stage 3 end of January/Beginning of Feb? Would be nice to get in touch!

Does anyone know when, if not already, they will restart the hiring process? (Refering to the email about them pausing recruitment due to the covid restrictions)

Good afternoon from Alps. I have seen so many discussion about the contract and how's life inside of NJ. Does anyone finally passed the Stage 3 or Simulator Screening and willing to share some details? Would be great!! All the rest comes later :-)

Good evening to all group members. Does anybody got an invitation for stage 3 end of january/beginning of february? Get in touch!

Hello Everyone,

I have seen that EJM Europe is hiring for second in command, is all these nice netjet pilot experiences apply to EJM too, or is this a different outfit?

thank you

did they open up the process again?

No, it's different. Very different roster, possibly less money (depending on the contract/aircraft), not the same bonus etc..

VERY different terms. Just ask the EJM PIC's that were all let go last year

Well, I thought they were offered to start on the NJE-contract as F/Os in line with seniority? I know, it wasn't a nice move, but I am not sure if anyone was really made redundant. I am sorry for what has happened to these colleagues.

www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

UPDATED 21/Aug/21??

Why am I not impressed.. Is this really all you get as a Captain with NJE or it it not really up-to-day (I hope not!)?

No, it’s not, they get more. But how much should a European captain be paid? We don’t get paid enough, that’s for sure. But unfortunately there’s an abundance of pilots and none of the companies need to pay top dollar to fill seats, especially when they don’t really care about quality. It’s not helped when these seats can be filled by eastern European pilots for whom these salaries (in their homeland) are enormous. But then cheap Eastern European labor has always suppressed wages in the more affluent EU countries (see UK and Brexit for details - haulage, construction etc…) so this is nothing new.

Dodgy tax agreements where a pilot being based in certain countries can pay minimal tax doesn’t help matters either. It means a €100,000 salary is really like earning €140,000 in a country where the tax system operates normally. So again, they can fill seats.

The US doesn’t have a cheap source of labor so wages are now high.

It’s just a sh***y industry, really.

NJE does not employ "cheap pilots" from "Eastern Europe". But I do agree that aviation has become a shi*tty industry, luckily we still have some nice conditions at NJE. Money is not everything in life. You also need time off work to spend your money and to see your families and friends.

Klimax if you scroll up, look for another post of mine, I had explained the salary system in more detail. The salaries that are listed at PPJN (great that they are back!) are only starting salaries that will be corrected for inflation every single year, plus a significant performance bonus payment on top. We have Phenom captains exceeding 230,000 EUR a year.

To be fair, who cares about Captain salaries in NJ apart from the ones that are Captains in NJ or just some years away from the seat. For all others joining now it's 10-15 years away and who knows how this industry looks like in 15 years time. Just look how much have changed during the last 15 years.

No I wasn’t saying NetJets did, they seem to be the last of the decent employers for both salary and conditions. But others do. And then you have the likes of Vistajet dragging salaries down, it’s quite amazing how their basic salary structure hasn’t changed since ever. How desperate do you have to be to accept an FO salary there, it’s insulting!

Well, it may not be 10 to 15 years for our new hires to become captains. The last 12 years have been largely a stagnating time, but we are now providing all of our senior F/Os a chance to have a go for their upgrade examinations. Also, the F/O salary of 58,500 EUR pa is just a base salary. You can easily add 15,000 to 40,000 EUR as bonus, if we continue to be busy as we are now.

Hello! Does anyone know whether the recruitment process will be open again anytime soon?

Out of interest what would a year one F/O (UK based) be taking home each month on average with basic pay and the additional supplements of flight pay etc? Would be extremely grateful for any guidance - much appreciated.
Cheers
CB

Good morning all,

A quick question to those guys n' gals currently working for the company. Do you know if NETJETS offer any dispensation re: hours to ex-mil pilots? I'm an FJ mate and trying to plan for the future.

I'm about to finish up getting my Frozen ATPL and start looking to transition out of the Mil. Any advice you could offer would be massively appreciated! Happy to chat over PM if that's easier (If my account allows it).

Cheers,
GN

I’m fairly sure this has been covered further up this thread (possibly more than once)

FO Hiring FOs from 13 Sept 2021 - EASA CPL (A) licence with ATPL credit - Valid EU passport - MCC (or valid MP type rating) - Good oral and written command of English language (min. ICAO-Language Proficiency Level 4) - EASA Class 1 Medical - Minimum 1500 hours total flight time - Minimum 500 hours multi-crew with multi-engine flight time; (Single Seat Military Pilots are exempt from the 500 hour MP/ME requirement) - Current and clear Criminal Record for the last 5 years (not older than three months. Every entry in the criminal record needs to be evaluated and approved by NJE) - Up-to-date Logbook