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Turkish (private) jet down in Iran
A few news agencies are reporting that a Turkish private jet has crashed in Iran, between 11-20 people feared dead. Routed Sharjah to Istanbul. Operator and type of aircraft not known at moment.
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Possibly a Challenger 604, registration TC-TRB.
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Turkish media reports that the plane belonged to businessman Huseyin Basaran.
Basaran's daughter Mina was supposedly onboard with some friends after a bachelorette party for her in the UAE. Social media postings in this article from the Turkish media: https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2018/dunya/...gn=ilgilihaber |
According to Turkish press reports, the owner`s daughter was returning from a hen party in Dubai and all on board were female, including an all female flight crew. The aircraft, a Challanger, crashed in mountainous terrain in SW Iran.
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Very sad story.... Quite unusual with jets crashing from cruise level, cabin decompression?
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A number of foreign news agencies are reporting that according to witnesses in the vicinity of the crash, the aircraft was seen coming down in flames.
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This is not exactly unheard of in witness reports of other accidents, and usually unrelated to reality. May be that there is some confirmation bias involved.
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Flightradar24 was able to find altitude (but not position) data for the flight.
Looks like level flight at FL360 possibly followed by some sort of upset. |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10080416)
Flightradar24 was able to find altitude (but not position) data for the flight.
Looks like level flight at FL360 possibly followed by some sort of upset. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...87776818532353 |
What is the data column just to the left of the altitude?
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The Iranian CAO has published a first news in Persian.
Google translate: On the afternoon of Sunday, 20/12/1396, a Challenger 60 jet airliner, registered in Turkey, registered TC-TRB from the Sharjah airport in the United Arab Emirates to the Atatürk airport in Istanbul, in the UT430 air route, fades off the radar plate And collapsed in the Zagros Mountains surrounding Shahrekord. This flight arrived in the Islamic Republic of Iran at 16:59 local time and suffered an accident at around 18:09 local time. According to the pilots of the pilot with the control center of the country, the pilot asked for a drop in height due to a technical problem, which during the reduction of height of 32 thousand feet, while the speed dropped, disappeared from the radar screen. According to information received by the Turkish company, it has 3 crew members and eight passengers. The nationality of two Spanish passengers and the rest of the citizens are Turkish nationals. The cooperation between the two Iranian and Turkish civil aviation organizations has been initiated from the early hours of the accident investigation and the coordination of the search and rescue by the Civil Aviation Organization. Responsibility for the accident investigation is in accordance with international regulations with the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization, and the countries of the Republic of Turkey, as airplanes and the Canadian Aircraft Designer and Manufacturer, can apply for assistance in the accident investigation process in accordance with the Chicago Convention and its appendices. |
A year before..... https://avherald.com/h?article=4a5e80f3
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Black box now recovered, unfortunately no surviours. Picture of wreckage on mountain here:
Turkey's crashed plane still in flames |
Originally Posted by Fly.Buy
(Post 10080647)
Picture of wreckage on mountain here:
Turkey's crashed plane still in flames |
Originally Posted by andrasz
(Post 10080655)
The picture is that of a Boeing Vertol (probably a CH-47) NOT the accident aircraft.
Obviously the publication is using some sort of stock photo then. |
Real photos of the crash site can be seen here :( https://www.yenisafak.com/dunya/iran...-cikti-3177446
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYExBkYX0AAnaLH.jpg:large https://image.piri.net/resim/upload/...39d48f2c1b.jpg |
The Iranian Red Crescent Organization (IRCS) reported that it sent 10 rescue teams to the site of the crash of a Turkish private aircraft shortly after the incident.
The black box of a private Turkish passenger aircraft was found on Monday. Search teams faced difficulties in reaching the place, because it was a mountainous region. Local residents of the region found 8 bodies of 11 people aboard the aircraft in the Durk region of Anari Kiyar. According to the Turkish media, the pilot in his last contact with the control demanded an urgent landing after the departure of the aircraft, and this request was registered. |
Here is a link to the latest pictures of the crash site and the rescue operations .
https://www.ilnanews.com/%D8%A8%D8%A...A7%D8%B1%DB%8C |
Oh dear....that is a real mess.....not much of anything left at all....
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Looking at the state of the engines it appears that neither were producing power at time of impact. Also the fairly large intact fuselage pieces suggest a relatively low speed.
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Speculation can be unwise. However, I wonder if this could be a A380 wake encounter in RVSM airspace. I had one in a b737 some years ago and for a moment the aircraft was uncontrollable. Either way, rip to the victims.
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Looking at the state of the engines it appears that neither were producing power at time of impact. Also the fairly large intact fuselage pieces suggest a relatively low speed. Reading the tea leaves gives a clue about how it hit,not why it hit |
Originally Posted by olster
(Post 10081140)
Speculation can be unwise. However, I wonder if this could be a A380 wake encounter in RVSM airspace. I had one in a b737 some years ago and for a moment the aircraft was uncontrollable. Either way, rip to the victims.
Also, I'm thinking that TC-TRB was probably on UT430, not UP574 from reports of the crash site location. |
Quote from Kulverstukas post:
"According to the Turkish media, the pilot in his last contact with the control demanded an urgent landing after the departure of the aircraft, and this request was registered. " According to the press reports I have read, the crew reported technical problems and requested a descent. It was shortly thereafter that a loss of speed, rapid descent and loss from radar seems to have ocurred. Reading the version posted by Kulver, it does not seem to read quite right. In as much that an urgent landing was requested after departure. They were in the cruise, an hour or more into the flight, when the accident took place. Perhaps this is due to linguistics. |
Originally Posted by Kulverstukas
(Post 10080743)
According to the Turkish media, the pilot in his last contact with the control demanded an urgent landing after the departure of the aircraft, and this request was registered.
They were in cruise and asked to descend, whereafter the radar contact was lost at FL320. |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10081307)
Also, I'm thinking that TC-TRB was probably on UT430, not UP574 from reports of the crash site location.
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Iran pax photo
FWIW PAX where these young ladies
http://www.20min.ch/images/content/2...77286/16/1.jpg back from a hen party in Dubai... |
Local sources are saying the pilot initially requested a climb to FL360 then made some comments about being low on fuel, subsequently requested descent to FL340 and then a rapid descent occurred with communication to FL120 thereafter the rest is history. There is a lot of speculation, however, the lack of coms tends to suggest some sort of pilot incapacitation and locals apparently reported seeing a jet "spinning " i,e stalled. We may never learn the real cause, very sad for such a happy event to end in this manner.
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the lack of coms tends to suggest some sort of pilot incapacitation and locals apparently reported seeing a jet "spinning " i,e stalled. We may never learn the real cause, very sad for such a happy event to end in this manner. |
Perhaps there will be some passenger mobile phone video.
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Some colleagues flew there that day and experienced very unstable atmosphere which caused speed shift, beyond the limitation in certain cases
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Not sure where this allegation came from :
Iran denies rejecting permission for emergency landing for crashed Turkish jet |
rotor lock
Some years ago a Pinnicle CRJ suffered engine rotor lock by trying to fly too high. Both engines shut down and could not be restarted. The resulting dead stick landing was fatal. I don't know if the engines came from the same family or if a fix was made for the problem.
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Are there any news about the black boxes? Usually the FDR is readable almost immediately...any local news about it? To drop out of the sky during cruise is so strange..smoke in the cabin? You start the descent, call the atc but then you cannot see anything anymore...it is just a thought of course.
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Does anybody know why Canadian TSB did not comment or issue any kind of statement regarding this accident ? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Anvaldra
(Post 10082869)
Some colleagues flew there that day and experienced very unstable atmosphere which caused speed shift, beyond the limitation in certain cases
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https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0
Here it says they were at FL360 .After 45 min they climbed at FL377 and then the pronounced descent started...I recall I have read something about atc saying the pilots were talking about fuel problems(but I cannot find this info anymore) so the climb could be a need to save fuel for endurance calculations..but an immediate descent after that? why? stall? is it related? |
Originally Posted by SRS
(Post 10082932)
Some years ago a Pinnicle CRJ suffered engine rotor lock by trying to fly too high. Both engines shut down and could not be restarted. The resulting dead stick landing was fatal. I don't know if the engines came from the same family or if a fix was made for the problem.
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Originally Posted by JB LFPN FLYER
(Post 10083297)
Does anybody know why Canadian TSB did not comment or issue any kind of statement regarding this accident ?
Accident investigation protocol is that it's for the investigating state (in this case Iran) to make any statements on the accident unless it chooses to delegate the investigation to another state. Failing that, any TSB involvement would be as accredited representatives to the investigation, and it would not be expected to make any public comments while it is in progress. |
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