Vistajet
 

I see Vistajet currently have vacancies for TR captains on both Global Express and the Challenger 350. Does anybody know whether they are willing to hire non type rated with a suitable bond? I sincerely hope to get in to this company in the not too distant future. Seems like a great place to work.

Just buy yourself a type rating, then you will be type-rated, then you could apply...I would think that either :


you call them and ask.

you call them and tell them that they should change their advertisement adding non-type-rated captains.



Then you future will be considerably closer.. no ?

I applied with a BD700 rating and a few hundred hours command and got a PFO.

Of the current 350 fleet - 5 were hired with TRs. Rest have a 3-year, linear bond.

So buying a TR - as in other sectors of aviation - is far from guaranteeing you'll get in. If management deem you wont fit - you'll get the PFO. Turned down 16k hrs guys with 1k hrs on type...

Empty Cruise / GlenQuagmire, thanks for the info, CL 300 can keep his useless crap to himself. We all know that what a company advertises for and will actually accept can be 2 different things and there's no harm asking for the inside info. :rolleyes:

PFO? The fact you had any response from an application does speak volumes for VJ, as most cant even be bothered.

MAB...mate,

you shall know the industry better, either it is a small department and everyone is covering at least two bases, plus flying; and you can anticipate delays or no responses.

From Vista , it is like Netjets, a bunch of secretaries and an automated email response.:yuk:

Whoever joined Vista, it is their own profile that was chosen, would it be because they knew someone from inside or whatever, it does not matter, if Vista publicize a job offer for TR captain, it is for a good reason, and if you want more info , you buy yourself a ticket to Malta, or take your phone, or whatever.
ho wait may be they put this od up because they were actually in need of FA ? :ugh::ugh:

Did you get a positive info on your question ? nope, some people got their TR included with the purchase of the plane, the others get bonded for it...May be these guys applied for the GLEX ? who knows ? At the end of the day, PFO or not, I hope that you land your wonderful dream job at Vista in a very short period of time ( TR or not).:ok:

Current contract
 

Somebody who knows what the current contract says?
Salary +add-ons, vacation, etc. If you are rated, how many years before you can apply for different type?

PM or post here

Thanks

The payscale on ppjn (VistaJet pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools) is as follows

Capt top Fleet specific: LR60 80k/yr. CL604/5 and CL850 90k/yr. GLEX 100k/yr. 4/Nov/11
Capt base Fleet specific: LR60 62k/yr. CL604/5 and CL850 72k/yr. GLEX 82k/yr.
4/Nov/11
FO top Fleet specific: LR60 46k/yr. CL604/5 and CL850 49k/yr. GLEX 52k/yr. 4/Nov/11
FO base Fleet specific: LR60 36k/yr. CL604/5 and CL850 39k/yr. GlobalXRS 42k/yr.

But as said this is from nov 2011, so I'm not sure if this is still valid.

It also says 17/13 as a schedule, not sure if this is valid either.

SOAB

SOAB


If those figures are GBP, then they are pretty poor... if they are EUR then they are disgraceful!

Wonder if current salaries are any different....I doubt it.

The could also be USD in which case Im going to start a Mac Donald's.

I guess they are EUR since in 2011 Vista was not a big global player yet, I howe also they increased the salaries since they became a global player

Vistajet
 

EUR they were, at least in early 2013. And those figures were confirmed during their recruitment venues, so...your call I guess.

A former colleague and recent joiner on the GLEX's fleet was impressed with the level of organisation and the smoothness of the indoctrination process in Malta.

I can't argue with the salary but there is much worse out there, trust me!

PZ

Does anyone know what their FA salary is?

Not that they hire men, but I am just interested.

What's the latest on hiring at VJ? For the latest recruits on the Global and CL350s, what has been the typical background in terms of experience and ratings? Appreciate any update.


Cheers

Anyone know the routes flown by a Global FO new to the company?

From wherever the client is, to wherever they want to go. It's called a Global Express for a reason!

TS: they might do, for some religious types / husbands with jealous wives etc.

I have a friend that got hired on the CL605 with Vista a couple of years ago. I think he was/is bonded.

Their recruitment drive is open again, all fleets.

Looking for Capts as well as FOs, it has type-rated stamped all over but I know for a fact that in the past that was not always the case. I wonder whether they will stick on their guns this time...

Perhaps RedTree could give us a clue...

DK ;)

I read that even the CL350 has a flight attendant (unlike Netjets Europe for an aircraft of that size).


Is the PPJN info current or wildly out of date in terms of salary and schedule:


VistaJet pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools


And how soon will we see the geriatric CL850s leave? I realise they are relative cheap with a lot of cabin space but their performance has got to be anemic in the summer.

Cheers for any update!

CL350 is 80k euros for captain plus 30 euros per diem .... :ok:

Good luck with that!

I get more than that in the RHS of a CL30 and work MUCH less than Vista do.

Not true. NJE offers its owners contracts either with OR without a cabin service representative.

does it mean that the CSR ( they are not F/A anymore ?) is flown or ferried in/out at will ?

It is still a disgusting company... RyanAir of business Aviation

Shame on them !

Gents, do you mind me asking a question?

If you were unemployed and/or career stuck on a type/base that makes your life miserable, ageing fast and with a pile of PFOs in your Inbox...what would you do?

Wait and networking because your time WILL come? P2F...SSTR...Vistajet...or what?

Here is a company that may or may not hire someone without a TR, bond you for x-years and (yes) pay you little while working you very hard while your career becomes suddenly unstuck. You may even find yourself floating comfortably on year x+1.

I flew with few very smart and capable chaps, they were all locals to the ops, willing to sweat buckets and stay on a small type which offered them a more challenging type of flying and a lot less money but when they asked to be bonded for the TR they were told "...company cannot afford it, it's on your tab..." and guess what? Off the went to the notorious Irish (cheap) carrier.

Because at the end IT MADE SENSE financially and (perhaps) on the long run even socially.

You lot can bash RYR, VJ and everyone else till you turn blue in the face but I have learnt that nobody is whiter than white, so to those applying I say grab VJ opportunity if it is presented to you and there is no other option.

Hope this goes back on track quickly, with fresh and useful news on VJ...

Regards

PZ :)

That's exactly why the business is what it is. Inexperienced people who accept any type of conditions to fly.
The pilots who apply for ex VJ won't be the really qualified pilots with good experience etc. Maybe they apply but for sure they will not take the deal they're offering atm.
Can't see why a CL605 TR rated guy with experience apply for a FO position with 3000€ net pay per diems included, malta base, no travelgate, no vac, ALOT of work etc. Either BD700 or CL850 for that matter.
Though I like VJs business model too bad they have these bad conditions.
The conditions above is fresh news btw
If you can prove me wrong please do so..

No one can, of course. But that does not mean you are 100% right.

The right answer is the one that provides you a break into the corporate aviation industry. If everyone could put down how they made it, I think it will be hard if not impossible to find two stories sounding more or less the same.

VJ mince no words about their T&Cs so there is no deception nor obligation and that's enough in my book. Blaming others for the world being what it is a practice that takes nowhere. In the past I was hard-nosed against SSTR (and I still am to some extent, together with P2F) but now, 10 years down the line, I think I simply don't have the guts for it so I have nobody else but myself to blame.

Do I feel better because I haven't chipped in ruining the industry?

Hell, NO! I paid my 1st TR on a crappy TP on a bond, it kept me afloat when the world economy collapsed but that was it. T&Cs were mere subsistence but I am still grateful I accepted them otherwise I would still be flying SEPs as FI. Couple of other FIs and former colleague got RYR and now fly for the likes of EK, QA, own house etc, etc.

Everything needs to be put into prospective, I guess. But feel free to flame me, altogether we won't stop anything anyway...

Safe flying chaps!

PZ :)

You are thinking too complicated. They will be inflated/deflated before/after such a flight. :ugh: :p

what a relief...Finally these inflatable things are worth something at last !

Are all new positions in VJ Malta based then? The most appealing thing to me about this job was you could live where you want and commute on a fixed roster. Is this no longer the case?

Sorry, I cannot agree with you, papazulu. In the past there were ****ty jobs at small bottom feeder companies that you would take to move up to the better jobs at the bigger places.

However, Ryanair and VistaJet are big companies. And their ****ty terms and conditions are dragging those at the better places down.

OK, some, even many, pilots have made the jump from Ryanair (for example) to airlines in the Middle East. Do these guys want to spend their entire working lifes there? Didn't think so. But, what are they gonna do when they want to come back? Join BA as the most junior FO after having been a wide body captain for years?

Too often those ****ty jobs are one way streets my friends, not stepping stones.

I would rather fly a Citation for an appropriate salary than fly a Challenger for Citation money for example. I don't want to be an active part in that bloody race to the bottom.

Well, u said it yourself 733driver:

What do u do if those jobs aren't there anymore and those operations have evaporated? I can quote an example of a buccaneer-outfit just across the RWY where I did my ATPL/FI etc....u would had paid him for a CJ TR and the u would had flown at the drop of the hat, shared a room in a 2 stars hotel etc,ect. But JAA killed many of those flies, mate.

Times have changed and here we go with the likes of RYR. Don't u think I am as unhappy as u about it?
Trust me, it is not about the kit I play with anymore, for me. It is more about setting off to a better future and an happier lifestyle.

Maybe RYR or VJ aren't a destination but just a stage of the journey...


PZ :)

I checked this too but for the rated first officers job. I also would be interested in a bond as I am non rated. Got well over the minimums but they didnt respond to my query asking about it.

Has anywhere heard from them?

Their ads on the usual websites ask for a given number of docs to be sent before the application can be processed but their online system asks just to fill boxes and attach CV, refs and pic. It there an automated confirmation email supposed to be received or what?

Rgds

DK :ok:

VistaJet Completes $300 Million Offering
VistaJet completed a $300 million offering of unsecured notes that will help fund its aircraft acquisition activities and expansion plans. The offering, completed through VistaJet subsidiaries VistaJet Malta Finance plc and VistaJet Co. Finance llc, involves 7.750-percent senior unsecured notes due 2020. In concert with its offering, VistaJet obtained corporate credit ratings of B+/Stable from Standard & Poors and B/Stable from Fitch.

"As a first-time issuer, we are very pleased with the demand and support for this offering, which to our knowledge is the first ever unsecured U.S. dollar bond in private aviation,” said founder and chairman Thomas Flohr.

The offering comes as VistaJet moves on plans to expand globally. The company added 10 aircraft to its fleet in the first quarter, is launching its Chinese operation and is in the midst of nearly doubling its U.S. fleet this year. The company recently retired its last Learjet as it builds up its all-Challenger and Global fleet. VistaJet will use the funds from the offering for aircraft acquisition and general corporate purposes, the company said.

"Love them, leave them" :)

Is this a salary based on a Malta contract or offshore? And is this a start salary for a new captain or do you know if they give higher start salaries to more experienced or older captains.

Cheers,

SOAB

30€ wouldn't get you a cheese sandwich where I am right now!

As for the salary, 2 points of view, 1 they fund you a global rating which you might get a plum private owner job later. Or 2, it's just rubbish and out of the euro zone unlikely to be able to pay your mortgage.

Either way there are better options.

Guys in some companies able to put 5k away each month so be choosy who you be a slave for.

Does anybody know how the job interview with VJ goes?

Hi, just been invited to phone interview.

17/13?
 

Same here, invited for phone interview.

Can anyone from within confirm VJ still offers their crew the 17on/13off deal?
Some confusion about this issue here.
This might be a determining factor for me...