DO NOT use Robert Weaver as a ferry pilot
 

I work for a South African company that purchased a Cessna 206 from a company in the UK. We engaged Mr Robert Weaver's company, Sky Ferry, to undertake the ferry flight from the UK to South Africa.

Mr Weaver initially agreed to do the job, and we had certain conditions he was willing to agree to. One of the conditions was that a UK based family member and pilot would accompany Mr Weaver as a pilot to put our minds at ease.

The price was agreed and paid to Mr Weaver in good faith, after he informed us that most of the expenses would have to be carried by him upfront.

When the trip started, Mr Weaver decided that he did not like to have our representative with him and wanted out of the arrangement. On a telephone call with me, all three of us agreed that the ferry would not proceed and that he would repay our money to us (save for deductions for overflight permits already paid for and which would be usable by us). We also made practical arrangements with regard to the aircraft and equipment.

All of this just as background. Mr Weaver is adept at striking at these types of factual settings out in an attempt to discredit. So I accept that what appears above is a very summarised version of events. However, to this point, it does not form part of the complaint. The complaint is the following:

1. Weaver agreed to repay an amount and made the electronic transfer in the presence of our representative;
2. After our representative left, Weaver unilaterally changed the electronic transfer by deducting $3,300;
3.When questioned, Weaver asserted that this is the amount that ways paid to the overflight agents on our behalf and was still standing to our credit;
4. It transpires that he did not inform the overflight agent of the source of funds, and the agent accepted payment as being for Mr Weaver's large outstanding debt with them;
5. Weaver has never denied that the debt was due and was settled with our money;
6. However he flatly refuses to pay us the amount by which he was enriched.
7. Due to his unilateral decision not to proceed with the ferry, we suffered an additional $2,000 of damages, which we have decided not to pursue should we receive payment of the amount of $3,300.

I have experienced Mr Weaver to be unfair, dishonest and unreasonable. His reasons for cancelling the ferry were not only petty, he proceeded to effective steal $3,300 from us. He is not to be trusted, and I would seriously dissuade anyone from using the services of Mr Weaver or Sky Ferry.

I accept all contacts in this regard.

Oh dear! The popcorn is on.

Welcome to the club. It's a shame that you never previously saw this.

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...-skyferry.html

Research BEFORE buying a service from any company or individual, in ANY business, and you are much more likely not to end up in these kind of situations.

CP

Caveat Emptor - a 10 second google before handing over money to someone you don't know personally would have saved you any and all difficulties.

Lesson learnt.

Move on.

Quite surprised Robert Weaver isn't in jail by now...or worse.

And Neither is Kevin Crellin alias Golden Eagle Pilot defender of the all that is good and just ? The Caped Crusader :ugh: but we hear little on that guy!

Pace

Ain't no pills for stupid.

If you haven't learnt small lessons like checking out backgrounds in aviation, then you probably shouldn't be flying.

Leave the 206 in the Uk and thank Weaver for saving your life. If google are so tough to master, imagine how you'd fare in the cockpit.

As a first post, this would presumably have been analysed by the mod gods especially considering the ultra sensitive subject, so it has passed the first test of authenticity.

Capt Robert Weaver
 

Unfortunately as inexperienced people (today we obviously rue the decision), when it comes to ferrying aircraft, we relied on the guidance and recommendation of an agent.
I will in due course be posting a factually backed summary, with original copies of emails on a hosting site for people to read verbatim, PS: I will not correct the spelling and grammatical errors !!!!
Today, I am firmly of the opinion that I will not let Robert Weaver transport my 'lawnmower', let alone an aircraft. I agree 100% with other threads posted and this will be my advice to any person EVER wanting to ferry an aircraft, "FIRST research the Company and 'Pilots' and speak to people in the Industry and obtain INDUSTRY references before you entrust your asset to ANYONE.

What is the second thread in the Biz Jets area?

YAWN! :ugh:

The original poster did not come across anything negative before engaging said ferry company, yet nonetheless managed to find this forum to complain in afterwards? I'm struggling to make sense of this.

Taking money to ferry an airplane qualifies as 'professional' in that sense, doesn´t it ?

Just how professional RW is, no idea....

Two Levels Of Enquiry
 

It seems to me like there appears to be two tiers of background checks.
The first is the enthusiastic one where they are hoping not to find any adverse information so as not to douse the unbelievable deal they hope they have secured.
The second level seems to go a little deeper and is carried out when all is not as it first seemed.
This second, backs up the old adage of,
"If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, the chances are, its a duck."
Unfortunately Weaver strikes again and will continue to do so until action is taken to stop him.
Its great to see that there is an increased web awareness again which may serve to save any number of potential victims but im sure there will still be those that slip through the net.

Harsh
 

I don't think we should be too harsh on Renier Kriek. He will not the be only person to have suffered a loss since original thread was taken down by the Mod. Just the only one to have admitted it here.
We were all taken in by Crellin, he even stole my identity!!
Weaver still has a credible web site and Eva appears to be a very long serving and loyal servant.
Thomas Handzlik, Rob Firth and Adam Miller are his pilots.
He has a long list of plausible testimonials, Jon Hilton of National Solicitors. BT Communications! He claims to have delivered their Meridian and given conversion training! Lots of other "satisfied" customers, allegedly.
Saw somewhere he claimed to have a contract with the Turkish military/ Airline?!

So where is the long arm of the law in all this?
Keep a Global Health Warning out on this guy. He will always be up to some scam where ever he is. It is his nature.

Oh Eva! You have consistently spurned my advances. :(

Weaver - at times the saga was entertaining but, without doubt, there were a number of people who were being manipulative/manipulated - much of this being fuelled through this forum. The whole affair was rather disturbing and this forum didn't shine in the way it moderated various threads.

Tread carefully - Weaver is not the only who warrants a cautious approach.

Kevin Crellin update:

Shipston man in court on fraud charges (From Kidderminster Shuttle)

Mmmm, I wondered this too.

A basic Google search reveals his past without too much of a hassle.

I am surprised he's still operating, to be honest (did I really quote this saying in a thread about Robert)? As I've said, a basic search would have started alarm bells ringing but you failed to do this. Don't expect to see your money anytime soon, if ever!

Seems there are plenty of fools which continue to be easily parted from their money

Probably a little harsh. Weaver has shown in the past that he can be very adept at getting someone's business and by the time things have gone tits up, it's too late.

Weaver has certainly had Renier's trousers down over this and it's going to be a very expensive lesson in remembering that GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!

Curious that the O.P. has not made any further contributions to this thread, I see a small red flag waving on the horizon.

Maybe his company has sent him to swim with the fishes in the Indian Ocean!:ok:

Web Presence
 

Its worth bearing in mind that RW has more of an adverse web presence this week than he has had over the last few weeks.
This is largely due to further information coming to light.
It appeared that there was an active campaign, intent on cleaning up the first page of Google, and it nearly worked.
Now surely that serves to forewarn unsuspecting potential clients / victims.
It seems there is far less sympathy now then in times gone by.
Would this perhaps put others off coming forward?

I suppose for every Renier prepared to come forward there is a strong probability that there are more who won't for fear of hurt pride and ego.

Legal Support
 

www.legalbrokers.co.uk/robert-weaver-skyferry/index.htm

Little stunts like this go along way towards making him look like he is trading on the right side of the law?

very interesting
 

I have no connection to Jon Hilton or to the company he is fronting, but would be very cautious of the "invitation" to obtain recommendations from his contacts.


Why should they be in bed with Mr Weaver.


Glf

Rob Weaver
 

Apart from the listed associations of Captain Weaver (as he like to call himself), when he was supposed to fly to Gloucester to collect the C206 and for the Ferry to start, he cancelled coming to the UK with the offered reason, hold your breath: "The French Navy asked him to fly a search and rescue mission for them".

He then organized a wonderful guy (ex BA Captain) to fly with me from Gloucester to Quimper, and who has subsequently become a very good friend. So the one upshot of the Weaver fiasco is I gained a new friend with 'Chuck Yeager' level experience.

What should have been another 'red flag' was when we arrived in Quimper, Capt Weaver could not find his trailer in a trailer park at a place called Le Bois Soleil WITHOUT using his SatNav. The following morning he could not find the Airport without using his SatNav. This repeated itself 4 times. Imagine being unable to drive from yourhouse to your local field without using a SatNav EVERYTIME.

I am go smacked to hear that he is still operating and up to his "old" tricks

Well maybe reputation doesn't matter after all ????:ugh:

Upstanding
 

Sort of begs the question, why would somebody with such a reputation to look after allow himself to be tainted with an association to Captain Weaver?

Rob Weaver
 

Because neither I nor the guy who did us a favor knew about Capt Weaver at the time. I was ignorant and misled by the Agent who recommended Capt Weaver and the stand-in guy (my new friend) did all a favor agreeing to fly with me (rookie pilot) to deliver the Aircraft to Quimper.

No shortage of other folks having problems with Mr Weaver.

However, for the last 18 months we've referred them directly to the police - whether principals or their lawyers.

With an apparent long term campaign to hoover up after his reputation I moved this latest complaint into the BizJet and GA forum. I thought it time that folks know that the traditional M.O still goes on and I'm in contact with the poster.

Rob

Agent In Cahouts?
 

If this agent is putting Weaver forward, then surely it would serve as a deterrent to put his name into the picture?

I see Sky Ferry are taking legal action against this Forum! :uhoh:

A link would have been helpful. I see something different.

https://twitter.com/SkyFerryLLC

Perhaps replace "action" with "advice" ??

Rob weaver Sky Ferry ‏@SkyFerryLLC 8h
08/02/2014: Sky Ferry advance in their legal against Internet Brands. More to follow


Maybe, I read it as 'taking' legal action, but then it is 'Weaverish'. ;)

Re. DO NOT use Robert Weaver as a ferry pilot.

interesting reading.

Wokingseller

Is the Sat Nav you mentioned the one talked about at length in the previous thread? You know, the one that was allegedly on permanent loan from a lady in the US.:confused:

That made me laugh!

Robert Weaver has two major faults, and one big problem.

• He has deluded himself and others into believing that he is a gifted pilot - something he certainly is not. A number of his escapades demonstrates this admirably, most notably of course his crashing of a brand new Sceneca when flying it illegally.
• He just can't help himself when it comes to stealing money obtained under false pretenses.It's in his nature.
• His biggest problem though, apart from trying to clean up his web history, is that he will never be in a position to get a proper job in aviation because nobody in their right mind would ever hire him. His only option therefore is to remain self employed using the name of his tin pot Skyferry LLC company.

Sure he wasn't looking for the rat ship, Lyubov Orlova?;)

tin pot Skyferry LLC company.
 

I cant help but agree but the sad part is, that same tin pot company is an effective medium for depriving unsuspecting individuals out of large sums of cash!!!!

and Am I the only one seeing the problem in your thought ?


Just sayin....