We do the same thing.

Hotel Tango, do you really have to speculate like that? Are you GIV qualified?

Mutt

This was in the Miami Herald this morning.

Two South Florida men killed in a plane crash in France - Broward - MiamiHerald.com

Prayers to the families!

mutt, I'm sorry, not my intention to upset anyone. I just got the impression from the video that the a/c was well to the side of the runway. Speculation is human and a fact of life, GIV qualified or not. I did quite clearly stipulate that "I may be wrong" and "perhaps", but you're right, I should have kept my thoughts to myself.

LGW Vulture Statement 1:

yes, you can, and paying for it requires corporate investment to act on the recommendations of the auditor in order to recieve accreditation, evidencing the recommendations made have been undertaken and re-audit.

Or, are you suggesting that any/all would provide accreditation by way of a brown paper envelope ?

I've worked closely with Wyvern, ARG/US, FSF and found them all to be highly professional.


LGW Vulture Statement 2:

So, before any facts have been made public, or any investigation has been initiated, let alone completed you have passed judgement and determined the cause as being management?


Seeing as both dumba$$ statements come from the same poster, one could consider that LGW Vulture has a personal agenda.

One could consider that stuckgear is a dumbass apologist.

Close to the bone perhaps stuckgear?

I have no personal agenda whatsoever - I just try to not to touch certain operators - UJA is certainly one.

I've kinda' been 'lurking' here watching this thread and the comments made therein.

Dumb question?????

Why on this forum is there sooooo much bantering..?? I almost hate to open a particular thread....to see all the BS going back and forth.....is that the way a "Professional" forum ought to evolve....?? Just asking.

I've been involved as a professional pilot for 38 years (this year) and don't quite get why some of the submitters have already "solved" this accident.

In my humble opinion.....we all need to wait for the investigators to submit data......for example.....when the CVR is played....we will know quite a bit more.

Am I wrong in my thinking? If so, please tell me.

I am soooooo sorry for the loss of life of the 3 folks. One pilot is 60, the other is 24.......one guy's career is in the process of winding down...the other pilots is (was) just starting......so sad. I feel very bad for the flight attendant.

The Gulfstream makes a wonderful plane.......(all models) I hope the investigators determine a cause.......(I won't even attempt to speculate......wasn't there!!!!)

Okay.....I'll shut up now......thanks for listening....

Fly Safe my fellow aviators!!!!!:ok::ok:

Jetstar2 Pilot,

:D

Tom

Rumour Network maybe ?????

G4 crash
 

This was a tough day for us all. The parking shortage in LFMN and the subsquent requirement to ferry to LFMQ should be reviewed by the authorities. I was flying at the same time and had dropped off pax in a smaller airport, that had no parking, but was able to ferry into LFMN. There were strong gusty winds from the west, during that period.
Hopefully all the facts will be reviewed. That extra ferry leg at the end of a day can be a challenge.

We also had to ferry to another airport (Cannes) the very same day from Nice, after a long duty, with an interesting strong and gusty crosswind, that together with the not so long rwy made it a challenging experience...
So sad to hear this story. :(

According to a witness who saw the crash and reported to me, aircraft touched down middle of runway then deployed reverses before going to the left into the trees.

Parking space in southern France in summer is quite a problem, but if some airports might be challenging for tired or undertrained crews, flying a couple of minutes further can bring you to less glamourous but with a lot of parking spaces airports like LFML or LFMT.

The BEA will highlight the probable causes and make recommendations nevertheless we can still speculate on the causes of this crash on this forum.

Southern France with the mistral blowing is not an easy place to fly especially if you have in mind to do a kiss landing...

Just wondering after flying 3 legs, ATH-SAW-NCE, then the ferry, how long were their day?
Knowing VIP flying, a 3 legger can turn out to be a very long day.

BV

Two weeks ago, I was scheduled to do LAX-NCE, Swissport said there might not be room for RON. I said duty day over, find room please. We got 12 hours and repositioned to LFML for three days. It might NOT have worked out and we would had to do something different. Jepp did offer LFMQ, BTW. In the future, I think I might plan for Lyon Bron, a bit farther, but, IMO, nicer than LFML and, maybe, LFMQ.

GF

not possible to stall swept wing aircraft on the ground
 

The G-IV incorporates a stick shaker to prevent stall entry in flight (T-tail aircraft need this system). The crash photo clearly shows deployment of both thrust reversers which requires a weight-on-wheels signal indicating that the aircraft had touched down on runway 13.

Based on my own experience in flying all of the outstanding airframes produced by Gulfstream Aerospace over the years it appears on the surface that this accident was caused by a loss of control on the ground. The fact that a 24 year old pilot was part of the crew mixed in with a dead-head flight and a runway width of only 98' may prove to have contributed to this very tragic accident.

What will happen, if you land in Nice, and just say, sorry, unfit to fly the ferry? Fine your company?

Don't know, haven't tried that idea. There is plenty of room on the ramps, IF they just tow planes into "herringbone" compacted parking plan, see KTEB, DXB, KVNY, EGGW, the list goes on except en France.

GF

The PIC in this video is the young pilot that lost his life in this tragedy:

RIP

Awwwww How Sad

RIP is a proper comment. Thanks for posting this

And what about LFKJ or LFKF ? Lovely place to relax and less than 30' from NCE. But extreme caution in LFKF if the wind speed exceeds 20kts from the North West.