Safety pilot

[N14HK]

I am right in my understanding that Citations on the N or VP register only need one type rated pilot, and the other can be an untyped safety pilot?

I realise that under the JAA/CAA system that any time accrued as a safety pilot is unloggable, but if one got an FAA Comm, would it then become so? Would the CAA then recognise it?

[jerseymilkman]

Some variants of Citation only require single crew ops on N or VP register. The pilots would have to have completed a single crew add-on with Flight Safety to act as Captain.

To be able to log the hours in any way, even using an FAA license you would have to have a type rating for that aircraft, and it would have to be valid.

Luck though...

[pilot dude]

To be SIC on a jet requiring two pilots, the SIC doesn't need to have a type rating (UNDER FAA RULES). This is also a C-500SP without an SP qualified pilot. In anyway fly and have it signed of and it's legal also under CAA rules cause the have to exept legal flown hours. In this case an aircraft requires 2 pilots but under FAA only the PIC needs to be type rated. However you can't log this as being flown on a MPA (Multi pilot aircraft)

Cheers, PD

[N14HK]

Thanks for your inputs guys - it looks pretty much like I feared.

Question aimed at UK operators: Does this sort of requirement come up much? Plus is there usually a minimum TT requirement?

I realise there is probably no payment made, but after a short ride in the RHS of a Citation, I know it's loadsa fun.

PS 'SIC' - what does this stand for?

[Low-Pass]

Second-in-Command

PIC = Pilot-in-Command


I would say that if you had a least some RHS experience, that would be looked on favourably by an operator (though not as much as a type rating) rather than no jet experience at all.

Cheers,

LP

[FlyMD]

It's my understanding, though, that above rules only apply to private flights, and that you need 2 type rated pilots to fly a charter on these planes... Am I wrong?

[JJflyer]

Some requirements for flying Single Pilot

I listed the requirements to fly Single Pilot on a Citation on this thread

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=99789

Should you meet FAR 61.55 and if applicable 91.533 you are set to go and log all the time you want...Provided that the SP conditions are not met.
Presume that the storage space is full, headset mic is US or Autopilot is inoperable then SIC would be required. Still these are not MEL items that would ground the aircraft should there be a SIC available.

FAR's

Section 61.55: Second-in-command qualifications.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person holds:

(1) At least a current private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and

(2) An instrument rating that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:

(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested --

(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.

(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.

(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.

(iv) Flight manual.

(v) Placards and markings.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes --

(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;

(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and

(iii) Crew resource management training.

(c) If a person complies with the requirements in paragraph (b) of this section in the calendar month before or the calendar month after the month in which compliance with this section is required, then that person is considered to have accomplished the training and practice in the month it is due.

(d) This section does not apply to a person who is:

(1) Designated and qualified as a pilot in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter in that specific type of aircraft;

(2) Designated as the second in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter, in that specific type of aircraft;

(3) Designated as the second in command in that specific type of aircraft for the purpose of receiving flight training required by this section, and no passengers or cargo are carried on the aircraft; or

(4) Designated as a safety pilot for purposes required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.

(e) The holder of a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section, provided the pilot:

(1) Is conducting a ferry flight, aircraft flight test, or evaluation flight of an aircraft's equipment; and

(2) Is not carrying any person or property on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(f) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, a person may serve as second in command in that specific type aircraft, provided:

(1) The flight is conducted under day VFR or day IFR; and

(2) No person or property is carried on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(g) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

(h) An applicant for an initial second-in-command qualification for a particular type of aircraft who is qualifying under the terms of paragraph (g) of this section must satisfactorily complete a minimum of one takeoff and one landing in an aircraft of the same type for which the qualification is sought.

Section 91.531: Second in command requirements.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate the following airplanes without a pilot who is designated as second in command of that airplane:

(1) A large airplane, except that a person may operate an airplane certificated under SFAR 41 without a pilot who is designated as second in command if that airplane is certificated for operation with one pilot.

(2) A turbojet-powered multiengine airplane for which two pilots are required under the type certification requirements for that airplane.

(3) A commuter category airplane, except that a person may operate a commuter category airplane notwithstanding paragraph (a)(1) of this section, that has a passenger seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of nine or less without a pilot who is designated as second in command if that airplane is type certificated for operations with one pilot.

(b) The Administrator may issue a letter of authorization for the operation of an airplane without compliance with the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section if that airplane is designed for and type certificated with only one pilot station. The authorization contains any conditions that the Administrator finds necessary for safe operation.

(c) No person may designate a pilot to serve as second in command, nor may any pilot serve as second in command, of an airplane required under this section to have two pilots unless that pilot meets the qualifications for second in command prescribed in §61.55 of this chapter.

Hope this helps you... It is not that hard of a deal. As long as you meet the requirements. Send me a msg if you need further comments.

Cheers

JJ