Eco-activists coat private jet with yellow spray in Ibiza
They damage somebody else's property and should be made to pay for the entire damage.
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And finally contrary to what you think these actions against bizjets are making the buzz on social media among young people and most probably encourage more to do the same. In addition, on Europe , the official “ green” ecological political paries , some in Government as coalition partners , like in Germany, are not openly condemning these actions, often even they are showing sympathy .
As I said before : a strange world is coming up .
...it is that we ALL have to do something , or , as one of my bosses said : “ we have to be seen we are doing something “
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The idea that since I contribute so little I do not have to change my way of doing things will get us nowhere.
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The damage of the paint into the engines, water based or not will write the engines off, add in the screens, the ports and the full strip down to check paint hasn't made its way into the control service actuators, fuel tanks and avionics, then these aircraft could become uneconomically viable to repair.
The actions of these cretins, JSO and others are going to do nothing for the greater good of the planet as it turns people away from the message.
If we really want to stop man made climate change (if it is such a thing) then we have to reduce the number of feet on the planet. Nigeria's population is growing at 5%, Iran has mandated that it wants its population to grow from 80million to 150million in 30 years! Then we are doomed.
Countries need to stop chasing growth, the rich need to stop avoiding paying tax, everyone needs to do their part in tackling pollution, women need to be educated, religion needs to be ridiculed - bring all these into play and the worlds economies will level up, the planet will be healthier and we will all be a lot happier.
(As an aside, countries chasing growing populations are the poorer and more despotic regimes with theocratic leadership. Keeping women down.
Imagine running a country where 1/2 of its brain power is not used for anything other than cooking, cleaning and procreation?
That is why the West is doing so much better, because generally women are seen as equal to men.)
The actions of these cretins, JSO and others are going to do nothing for the greater good of the planet as it turns people away from the message.
If we really want to stop man made climate change (if it is such a thing) then we have to reduce the number of feet on the planet. Nigeria's population is growing at 5%, Iran has mandated that it wants its population to grow from 80million to 150million in 30 years! Then we are doomed.
Countries need to stop chasing growth, the rich need to stop avoiding paying tax, everyone needs to do their part in tackling pollution, women need to be educated, religion needs to be ridiculed - bring all these into play and the worlds economies will level up, the planet will be healthier and we will all be a lot happier.
(As an aside, countries chasing growing populations are the poorer and more despotic regimes with theocratic leadership. Keeping women down.
Imagine running a country where 1/2 of its brain power is not used for anything other than cooking, cleaning and procreation?
That is why the West is doing so much better, because generally women are seen as equal to men.)
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We should not justify violence when it is based on good intentions. Those guys indeed have a point , but it does not justify what they did.
By tolerated such actions, we encourage more violence and I fear all this is not going to end well..
Now that said, taking your "point' a bit further, discussing this with my 21 years old daughter yesterday while watching the news (extreme and record high temperatures all over the world, , etc..) we all have to start doing something. Justifying excesses on the name of economical growth and jobs preservation does not work anymore on this young generation. On the German Citation , it appears the owner is a German national living in Germany , who registered the aircraft in Austria for taxes reasons , flew from Momchengladbach to Sylt ( 400 NM ) using fuel which is not taxed. All perfectly legal . But defending this right while "normal people" are urged by the Governement not to use their private cars and use public transport, and cannot enter the center of their own cities because they have an older diesel car , is becoming a very difficult exercise..
We should not justify violence when it is based on good intentions. Those guys indeed have a point , but it does not justify what they did.
By tolerated such actions, we encourage more violence and I fear all this is not going to end well..
Now that said, taking your "point' a bit further, discussing this with my 21 years old daughter yesterday while watching the news (extreme and record high temperatures all over the world, , etc..) we all have to start doing something. Justifying excesses on the name of economical growth and jobs preservation does not work anymore on this young generation. On the German Citation , it appears the owner is a German national living in Germany , who registered the aircraft in Austria for taxes reasons , flew from Momchengladbach to Sylt ( 400 NM ) using fuel which is not taxed. All perfectly legal . But defending this right while "normal people" are urged by the Governement not to use their private cars and use public transport, and cannot enter the center of their own cities because they have an older diesel car , is becoming a very difficult exercise..
These activists are not "cretins". Quite the reverse. They are making a point very clearly and effectively. The more aviation tries to deny this, the more out of step aviation will appear. Not all segments of aviation are equally at risk, and so-called "business" jets of this nature are most exposed. There is no special reason why all segments of aviation should rally round to defend the excesses of a few.
Confirmed as an eight-month-old Phenom 300, privately owned, flew from its base at Mönchengladbach to Ibiza last Monday, so will have been parked there all week.
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With many countries now regularly seeing peak temps over 40C in towns and cities, vast uncontrolled forest fires, and rising sea levels that will begin to threaten big conurbations like NY, are we going to say the rich can carry on playing with their multitude of supertoys regardless of the associated consequences on millions of people who don't own these toys and still want to live on our planet safely? It is claimed that the Top 0.1% of the population combined consume the same emissions as the lower 50% of the rest of the world. They are ruining the atmosphere for our children. With just one oligarch spending $5 billion on his superyachts, mansions, private airliner fleet and support staff, is that just OK? Are these people so special they can do that much damage unchallenged? Do we think it was all earned legitimately? Was it worth it, when tomorrow they may be accidentally falling out of a window of a tall building?
There comes a point as we all overheat, sitting here today in temps of 48C, where we too ought to be doing something drastic. Maybe these vandals are a bit more attuned to the damage than the rest of us. It may be too late anyway. I happen to think what they have done is outrageous, but they do have a point, and collectively we aren't doing anything like enough about it. And the problem doesn't go away when you delight in them being put in jail; you may feel smug for a little while and then you'll conveniently forget all about it, and just call it extreme weather.
My plan. Target those industries that will make a real difference. Halving the CO2 produced by heavy industry and surface transport WILL make a difference. The complete destruction of the aviation industry will do nothing. Stopping business jets from flying will do nothing.
Priorities.
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On the activists:
In the legal,system of United States . . . I can't comment knowledgeably about legal systems of other countries and even if I can, I won't . . . there is a long and honored tradition of acknowledging and to some extent, at least, respecting civil disobedience. To protest for a cause in which an individual believes passionately, an activist or protester sometimes engages in acts which break the law. It is acknowledged by these individuals that arrest, prosecution, and sentencing will follow, in most if not all instances. At the same time, the vehemence of the prosecution, the forcefulness of arrest, and the type and extent of sentence, generally are tempered by legal - and societal - recognition of freedom of expression. And the acknowledgement noted above. But absent this acknowledgement....well, the activist might wind up treated like any old cretinuous skel.
It is quite a different perspective for the individual who, for example, has experienced the destruction or very significant reduction in value of property which that individual had complete and unrestricted legal right to own and operate or otherwise enjoy.
On business aviation and jets:
Let it be recalled that many of these aircraft are owned and/or operated by individuals who are "in charge of" rather massive areas of responsibility. Of course the typical large corporate CEO sits atop an also very large staff - but that person still is in charge as the top official (in management). If the airplane is used to save time, and the individual who is criticizing its employment has never been in charge of anything remotely comparable, then personally I would discount for the presence of envy.
Isn't there also some hypocrisy? Aviators especially understand the meaning of the "IC" in "PIC", and though differences certainly are present, CEO of a large corporate entity has a lot of parallels in the sense of being the authority figure having highest rank. But some are so very quick to view individuals with massive portfolios of responsibilities as if just any other SLF somewhere in the cabin, when "let them fly commerical" is argued.
I have not ever flown in, or even been aboard, a bizjet. However if I owned the incident aircraft, as part of the sentence I'd want the individual(s) to be treated to a certain variety of simulator session. Give them a nice big lunch first. Then run a nice and scary brown-trouser situation, or more than one. Mess with a jet aircraft, you will come to understand what you are dealing with. On the other hand, if I were planning a sentencing in the court system, I'd include a few long sessions observing the work of the technicians who now will have to meticulously disassemble and repair or replace quite a lot of the incident aircraft. Properly restrained of course (and deprived of cellular and other devices of distraction), the individual(s) would undoubtedly absorb a certain withering contempt of the productive and responsible for the pointlessly destructive.
In the legal,system of United States . . . I can't comment knowledgeably about legal systems of other countries and even if I can, I won't . . . there is a long and honored tradition of acknowledging and to some extent, at least, respecting civil disobedience. To protest for a cause in which an individual believes passionately, an activist or protester sometimes engages in acts which break the law. It is acknowledged by these individuals that arrest, prosecution, and sentencing will follow, in most if not all instances. At the same time, the vehemence of the prosecution, the forcefulness of arrest, and the type and extent of sentence, generally are tempered by legal - and societal - recognition of freedom of expression. And the acknowledgement noted above. But absent this acknowledgement....well, the activist might wind up treated like any old cretinuous skel.
It is quite a different perspective for the individual who, for example, has experienced the destruction or very significant reduction in value of property which that individual had complete and unrestricted legal right to own and operate or otherwise enjoy.
On business aviation and jets:
Let it be recalled that many of these aircraft are owned and/or operated by individuals who are "in charge of" rather massive areas of responsibility. Of course the typical large corporate CEO sits atop an also very large staff - but that person still is in charge as the top official (in management). If the airplane is used to save time, and the individual who is criticizing its employment has never been in charge of anything remotely comparable, then personally I would discount for the presence of envy.
Isn't there also some hypocrisy? Aviators especially understand the meaning of the "IC" in "PIC", and though differences certainly are present, CEO of a large corporate entity has a lot of parallels in the sense of being the authority figure having highest rank. But some are so very quick to view individuals with massive portfolios of responsibilities as if just any other SLF somewhere in the cabin, when "let them fly commerical" is argued.
I have not ever flown in, or even been aboard, a bizjet. However if I owned the incident aircraft, as part of the sentence I'd want the individual(s) to be treated to a certain variety of simulator session. Give them a nice big lunch first. Then run a nice and scary brown-trouser situation, or more than one. Mess with a jet aircraft, you will come to understand what you are dealing with. On the other hand, if I were planning a sentencing in the court system, I'd include a few long sessions observing the work of the technicians who now will have to meticulously disassemble and repair or replace quite a lot of the incident aircraft. Properly restrained of course (and deprived of cellular and other devices of distraction), the individual(s) would undoubtedly absorb a certain withering contempt of the productive and responsible for the pointlessly destructive.
My plan. Target those industries that will make a real difference. Halving the CO2 produced by heavy industry and surface transport WILL make a difference. The complete destruction of the aviation industry will do nothing. Stopping business jets from flying will do nothing.
Priorities.
Priorities.
And I'm not some climate denying lunatic. I'm all for a just transtion to renewable energies (something Scotland luckily has an abundance of), but "just transition" means waiting until investment in renewable jobs and infrastructure has reached the required levels AND the major oil producing nations are on board. Once they have signed on the dotted line - I'll be all for it. Until then ...
Can we all get over the Private/ Corporate/ Commercial, thing, and get down with what happened here - these young loons got through Airside Security to act with impunity - or did they? Were they pushed? Was it a stunt. We know JSO has friends in high places funding the opposite deal - so there's tokenism. We're seeing this kind of thing more and more.
What really happened here?
Are these kids on an hourly rate? If so, for whom?
What really happened here?
Are these kids on an hourly rate? If so, for whom?
The guy with his hand on the airplane is wearing mass produced running shoes. They were almost certainly made in a third world factory with minimal environmental or worker protection and of synthetic compounds that degrade into destructive and pernicious micro plastics. Ditto for his synthetic fiber shorts and probably his shirt too. Sadly I am sure he is utterly oblivious to the cognitive dissonance of his apparel choices and the fact that his personal choices demonstrate that he is just another environmental poseur..
Why did I have to decant liquids into 100ml bottles etc when I flew recently?
A terrorist doesn’t need to smuggle a bomb on board, they could pop out onto the apron, sabotage the aircraft and leave by the same hole.
Maybe the ecoloons are doing us a favour showing where the security holes are in aviation.
Expensive lessons though.
A terrorist doesn’t need to smuggle a bomb on board, they could pop out onto the apron, sabotage the aircraft and leave by the same hole.
Maybe the ecoloons are doing us a favour showing where the security holes are in aviation.
Expensive lessons though.
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That Phenom 300, D-CJKP, was sold brand new into Germany last year. Would like to see the owner sue those muppets for every penny although that probably won't even cover the inspection and repair costs. And if that doesn't work, the insurers should sue Ibiza airport for having such lax security.
99% of the business jets, are tools to safe time for the owners and Indispensable to run a multi million business, that is paying a lot of taxes and creates millions of jobs.
These aircraft are no toys, but business tool.
even the term private jet is wrong and it is often used by envious people and communists to let them view bad in the eyes of the public.
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That’s nonsense.
99% of the business jets, are tools to safe time for the owners and Indispensable to run a multi million business, that is paying a lot of taxes and creates millions of jobs.
These aircraft are no toys, but business tool.
even the term private jet is wrong and it is often used by envious people and communists to let them view bad in the eyes of the public.
99% of the business jets, are tools to safe time for the owners and Indispensable to run a multi million business, that is paying a lot of taxes and creates millions of jobs.
These aircraft are no toys, but business tool.
even the term private jet is wrong and it is often used by envious people and communists to let them view bad in the eyes of the public.