Proper Ramp Technique

[g450cpt]

To the idiot sky king that was taxiing into Luton in a Phenom 300 D-CROG on the morning of 14/July/2021, please learn how to operate your aircraft correctly and courteously. With your attempt to make a 180 turn on the ramp with full power, you sand blasted everything on the ramp, knocked over several safety cones (some sent flying into our aircraft), and knocking over a ramper trying to marshal you in. If you can't learn to make a turn at minimal power, shut your aircraft down and get the handler to tow you to your parking spot. The FOD sent flying across the ramp was horrible. We also do not appreciate having the paint on our $50 million aircraft sand blasted. Lucky for you, I've mellowed a bit as I've aged. In my early days, I probably would have drug you across the ramp on your face to let you see how it feels.

[733driver]

Yeah, I can tell you have mellowed from the tone of your post..... Why did't you just walk over and speak to the guy?

Btw, not an excuse for sandblastig anything or knocking staff over but the Phenom is a bit of a b**ch to turn as the nosewheel steering through the pedals has a very limited steering angle and any tight turns require momentum or power plus differential braking. Takes some practice. My guess is the guy was new on type.

[Globally Challenged]

Originally Posted by 733driver

Yeah, I can tell you have mellowed from the tone of your post..... Why did't you just walk over and speak to the guy?

Btw, not an excuse for sandblastig anything or knocking staff over but the Phenom is a bit of a b**ch to turn as the nosewheel steering through the pedals has a very limited steering angle and any tight turns require momentum or power plus differential braking. Takes some practice. My guess is the guy was new on type.

As above - probably new on type.

Assuming you drive a Gulfstream then I guess your max nose wheel deflection with tiller etc is around 80 degrees.

The phenom does not have a tiller. Max nose deflection with pedals only is 20 degrees and even with differential braking you require some differential thrust to achieve the maximum of 43 degrees if you don’t carry enough momentum - particularly when marshellers try and turn you into tight spaces.

[g450cpt]

As I said in my original post, if he can't make the turn at minimal power (or if the airplane is not capable of making the turn without full power), shut it down and get a tow.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by g450cpt

As I said in my original post, if he can't make the turn at minimal power (or if the airplane is not capable of making the turn without full power), shut it down and get a tow.

yeah, but the amateur would then rack up a bill to pay. Easier to just not give a sheit and mess it up for everybody else. I’m with you. Sounds very unprofessional of that crew. Perhaps it’s another one of those if pay in peanuts you get monkeys story.

[alanpartridge]

Why not be constructive and pop over and have a word? He / she may not have been aware of how much blast it kicks out and how disruptive it may be.

Perhaps if it’s a common theme with Phenom 300s Harrods and others (maybe the operator as well) should plan on marshalling them straight in and towing them into position.

I’m sure we’ve all used a bit too much thrust to break away at some point in our careers.

[mutt]

Harrods and others (maybe the operator as well) should plan on marshalling them straight in and towing them into position.

that would be so much nicer than getting marshalled into a 180 degree turn on their tiny wet apron.