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What, if anything, is so special about the Hondajet?

Old 20th Feb 2019, 17:26
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What, if anything, is so special about the Hondajet?

Sitting in night-stop hotelroom, caught a segment of Top Gear where that bloke from Friends flies in a Hondajet.
Apart from the unconventional engine configuration (so?) it looks like any other VLJ to me. Is it so revolutionary in comparison to, say, a Phenom or a Mustang? It was marketed as ‘revolutionary’ implying perhaps, that it is a jet-powed car replacment. But it’s hardly that, is it? I’m not knocking the aircraft, just don’t understand what’s do revolutionary about it.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 20:26
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To quote the Honda advertising blurb:

"Honda has placed the engine over the plane's wing, thus reducing aerodynamic drag while at the same time reducing cabin sound and freeing up more space for passengers".
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 21:17
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What's so special you ask?

It is FUGLY is the answer!
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4 View Post
It is FUGLY is the answer!
No way to make this design pretty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFW-Fokker_614



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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 05:39
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It’s a Honda, you can get it serviced at your local Honda approved dealer!
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:55
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Pros:

It's fast
It's quiet (inside that is)
Has some funky cabin and flight desk features
It's low maintenance, reports of solid reliability
Fuel efficient

Cons:

It's expensive to buy
It's difficult to crew - so few around therefore very few rated pilots
No flight sim in Europe
Very limited choice for support - but support standards are at least high
Poor landing performance - needs long runway, especially in wet
It's a 'Marmite' aircraft - most either love the look or hate it - when you resell, it reduces the marketability massively
Phenom or CJ/M2 alternatives just represent better all round value (that's the consensus, considered opinion)
You can only have the one Honda paint scheme from the factory - no bespoke designs - have to paint again if you want anything different

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 08:26
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It has a big luggage compartment.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 10:44
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The market speaks for itself:

The HondaJet was the most delivered aircraft in its class in 2018, based on numbers provided by the General Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA). Last year, 37 HondaJets were delivered around the globe, marking the second consecutive year the HondaJet has been the most delivered very light jet.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-elite-451096/

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300799077.html
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 11:28
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The HondaJet was the most delivered aircraft in its class ...
This isn't due to the fact that Honda sold so many, but simply because everybody else sold so few... The "huge" market for the VLJs that the manufacturers anticipated 15 years ago never manifested itself. And as for the HondaJet, if there are so many of them out there, why do I never see one?
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This isn't due to the fact that Honda sold so many, but simply because everybody else sold so few... The "huge" market for the VLJs that the manufacturers anticipated 15 years ago never manifested itself. And as for the HondaJet, if there are so many of them out there, why do I never see one?
Maybe, because of your old age, you don´t see small things any more?
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The HondaJet took so bloody long to be certified, the parents were happy just to see it was healthy, let alone a boy or a girl, or Rosie O'Donnell. Oh, wait a minute...
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 06:56
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20 Knot crosswind limit!
Short wings = high landing speed coupled with small wheels and smaller brakes, bad design. Tyre changes every 100 landings.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 18:50
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100 landings between tyre change is pretty good for a bizjet!
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 19:33
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100 landings between tyre change is pretty good for a bizjet!
You are being sarcastic ?
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 20:17
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No, but I remember the figure of 100 landings when I flew Fearjets and G-birds, but my knowledge of bizjets may have faded as I didn’t touch any of them in this millennium. On the 747 which I currently fly, a lifespan of 40 landings per tyre is the norm, but we use re-threads.
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 07:02
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Your memory must have faded. The G450/550 and the G650 that I fly get 200+ landings on the tires.

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 07:27
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Those were Lear 24/25, diminutive Mickey-Mouse tyres, probably same issue on the Hondajet. And GIIs. Would love to retire on a G650, but not only because of the high tyre life
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 18:40
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We get way more landings than 200 out of our C680 and our homebase has 3323ft LDA...so there you brake hard. We often change ahead of time since there is no mx shop at our airport.
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Thumbs up It is a good product

So it always depends on what you want:

It won’t be the next plane after you managed 200h on a SR22. You won’t feel comfortable after flying 5000h on a CL650, because it is so much lighter.

But what beast is it? It is an aircraft which is sly of the performance of a straight C525, but better than a C510 Mustang and Phenom 100. The cabin is very appealing to all passengers. It is the most advance aircraft of it’s class. Love it or hate it, it continues to be the most automated aircraft you will get in that segment.

I as a TRE like to fly it. Period!

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