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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 06:23
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What salary to ask for

Hello everybody.
What would be the proper salary to ask for a G650 Captain in Europe/Russia.
Type will be paid by the owner. New in the Gulfstream world but with a fair amount of hours. No info about the roster yet.
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Also - how about a NTR FO (2500TT+ with 2000+ on super-mid size) onto a 7X / G550 in the UK
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How the hell are you guys getting these jobs? I must be searching in the wrong place...
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:22
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Hi.
I did not say that i got the job already.
Looks like an interview is coming up and I just dont want to sell myself for the wrong price.
And I know there are so many differrent numbers around, depending on which company your are employed with and in which country. Therefore I like to know a fair number which i could possibly ask for.
The rest is networking and about who you know and I guess a bit to be at the right place at the right time.
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Ah ok. Good luck and if its Moscow based and they need an experienced guy in either seat, sent me a PM if you can. Cheers
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These don't get advertised much do they - its more direct contact or friend of a friend.
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You heard about the job here first.

Treasure that fact.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 18:55
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Our G650 Capts in Europe are earning btwn 12-14k USD, experienced G550 FOs about 6-7k.

Obviously there is a lot of variance between operators/owners.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 21:25
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Just read this section. An EK captain asked a similar question about a month or so ago and we replied. Good luck.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 03:45
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Originally Posted by Flyguy2002 View Post
Our G650 Capts in Europe are earning btwn 12-14k USD, experienced G550 FOs about 6-7k.

Obviously there is a lot of variance between operators/owners.
At 14K USD a month that's only $168K USD a year!

There better be other sweeteners attached to that job especially if you have to live in Europe.

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 05:45
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Originally Posted by Flyguy2002 View Post
Our G650 Capts in Europe are earning btwn 12-14k USD, experienced G550 FOs about 6-7k.

Obviously there is a lot of variance between operators/owners.
You must be mixing up with Legacy 650 salaries, otherwise substandard and I suspect swing door ops. No serious operator or owner pays less than 12-15K EURO (NOT trump dollars!).
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If Russia is involved, think "expensive" more so if that Russia means "Moscow".

Housing, living etc.My colleague has lived there for almost 2 years and I was based there for 2 months.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
You must be mixing up with Legacy 650 salaries, otherwise substandard and I suspect swing door ops. No serious operator or owner pays less than 12-15K EURO (NOT trump dollars!).
I fly the G650 in Europe currently, so I'm confident in those numbers. Salary is x13 months, plus 100 USD per diem per day while away on a 2 on/2 off roster. We're not paid in dollars obviously, but I did the conversation for clarity.

Like I said, a lot of variance btwn operators. There's a certain austrian G550 operator that pays it's FOs 3K Eur/month...Capt's only 7k. I know of other G650 Capts that are only at 10K eur/month.

In the end, Salary is just a part of it. Based at home with low ops tempo could mean plenty of money for very little effort, with opportunity for freelancing on the side (@1500-2k eur a day). On the other hand, 14K for always being gone might not make sense to you.
Point is, just because your flying the big bird doesn't always mean your making the big bucks. Operators and owners will always try to squeeze you. But if it affords the lifestyle you seek, so be it.

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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
Just read this section. An EK captain asked a similar question about a month or so ago and we replied. Good luck.
Except that that EK Captain wants to go to South Africa to fly an airplane that, from the looks of it, doesn't even exist...
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 18:57
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"Our G650 Capts in Europe are earning btwn 12-14k USD, experienced G550 FOs about 6-7k experienced G550 FOs about 6-7k"

Sounds low in my eyes. Especially the FO side. Also depends if they pay social tax or not. If it's an offshore contract there won't be any money left with that salary.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 00:16
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F/O on any GLF should be 8000 minimun. Probably nearer 10K.
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My experience is that no matter what type of jet you fly in Europe today as captain you’ll be struggling to get much more than €13K plus daily pay of around €100 to cover expenses when on duty. If you’re lucky you can add a 13th salary and a private pension to that. Like it or not, but €10-11K is probably what the majority of people make.

FO pay mentioned here around €7-8K sounds about right, for UK and perhaps CH, for G550/G650/GLEX and perhaps slightly lower for F7/8X. But but even that’s a bit high if you look at most operators in for example France, Germany, Austria and a certain operator in Luxembourg. I’d say €4-5K plus per diem starting pay for an FO is the harsh reality for many people today.

Not agreeing with this sad state of affairs, just telling it how it is.

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Old 1st Apr 2018, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Hawker 800 View Post
F/O on any GLF should be 8000 minimun. Probably nearer 10K.
“Should be” as in that’s your personal opinion or? Because the reality is far from that. I think the vast majority of FOs in Europe are on €4-6K plus extras. Again, not agreeing to what our industry has turned in to but this is how it is at the moment.

Edit to add: And I don’t see this changing any time soon.

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Old 1st Apr 2018, 13:35
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I’d say €4-5K plus per diem starting pay for an FO is the harsh reality for many people today.
I started out as an FO on the G550 earning exactly that: €5Kx13 +per diem, while some of my newly typed & bonded colleagues were just at €3K. I assume it's either remained the same or gotten worse since.

I agree with CP's assessment above regarding salary averages in mainland Europe, where FO pay is typically 60% of what the Capts earn.

These days, the only place where I see Capt's salaries consistently over €15K is over in the sandbox or far east.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 08:05
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Disclaimer: newbie asking (who's just in GA) and at the risk of drawing serious "Google before you ask" comments:

What is the common pathway to end up in the cockpit of a Gulfstream aircraft? Do you have to build hours elsewhere first and then apply or is that an alternative path to common airlines?
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