LSZS extra info please...
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LSZS extra info please...
Hi All,
Looking at operating an A320 or A319 into this airfield shortly.
I am aware of the self brief and airfield currency requirements.
Apart from the information in the self brief package if anyone can give me any extra worthwhile pertinent information which would be good to know as opposed to "need to know". It will be an interesting day out.
PM if you wish.
regards all,
Xshong.
Looking at operating an A320 or A319 into this airfield shortly.
I am aware of the self brief and airfield currency requirements.
Apart from the information in the self brief package if anyone can give me any extra worthwhile pertinent information which would be good to know as opposed to "need to know". It will be an interesting day out.
PM if you wish.
regards all,
Xshong.
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Tarmac space is tight, better make sure in advance that they can accommodate a bird of that size.
Taxiways are non-standard width to begin with, and then the snow is not cleared wide enough either, so taxiing without hitting anything is not easy.
If you've never been there, I would think long and hard about attempting the approach with u-turn in the valley, so no ceiling on that day would be a big plus...
Taxiways are non-standard width to begin with, and then the snow is not cleared wide enough either, so taxiing without hitting anything is not easy.
If you've never been there, I would think long and hard about attempting the approach with u-turn in the valley, so no ceiling on that day would be a big plus...
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If you've never been there, I would think long and hard about attempting the approach with u-turn in the valley..
Ok for small props but NOT jet traffic, let alone your machine.
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Nothing wrong with flying in there with a jet if you have completed your six PPPPPP's before going.
Personally over the years I have flown various jets types into LSZS without issue both private and commercially.
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By turning in the valley.....I assume reference is being made to doing a 360 over St Moritz in the valley.....
I know two other colleagues who have done it including our Chief pilot and neither of them would ever do it again.....
Maybe OK in a small citation or Premier but seriously if you cant make your approach in clear wx by flying straight down the valleys to the runway you are rolling the dice of fate.
The grim reaper has already had a good harvest from this airport and the risks of operating there should never be underestimated.
I know two other colleagues who have done it including our Chief pilot and neither of them would ever do it again.....
Maybe OK in a small citation or Premier but seriously if you cant make your approach in clear wx by flying straight down the valleys to the runway you are rolling the dice of fate.
The grim reaper has already had a good harvest from this airport and the risks of operating there should never be underestimated.
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By turning in the valley.....I assume reference is being made to doing a 360 over St Moritz in the valley.....
I know two other colleagues who have done it including our Chief pilot and neither of them would ever do it again.....
Maybe OK in a small citation or Premier but seriously if you cant make your approach in clear wx by flying straight down the valleys to the runway you are rolling the dice of fate.
The grim reaper has already had a good harvest from this airport and the risks of operating there should never be underestimated.
I know two other colleagues who have done it including our Chief pilot and neither of them would ever do it again.....
Maybe OK in a small citation or Premier but seriously if you cant make your approach in clear wx by flying straight down the valleys to the runway you are rolling the dice of fate.
The grim reaper has already had a good harvest from this airport and the risks of operating there should never be underestimated.
As I said earlier if you use your six PPPPPP's and be prepared to divert should the wx go below VFR conditions it should not be an issue, even in a jet.
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Go to the airport website:
Engadin Airport St. Moritz Airlines: News
They have webcams, good tool for checking the conditions before you fly, or during your flight if you have internet access in your airplane.
Fly slow; know your turning radii at your speeds. Plenty of videos on YouTube.
It is courageous to go to this airfield on an A320 if you've never been there before.
Maybe you want to bring in a local pilot from there and have him be your 3rd man in the cockpit? Or travel there and hire some small aircraft with local pilot and do a thorough recon flight!
(@ website: you'll see a pic of the Breitling Super Conny on the ramp.)
Engadin Airport St. Moritz Airlines: News
They have webcams, good tool for checking the conditions before you fly, or during your flight if you have internet access in your airplane.
Fly slow; know your turning radii at your speeds. Plenty of videos on YouTube.
It is courageous to go to this airfield on an A320 if you've never been there before.
Maybe you want to bring in a local pilot from there and have him be your 3rd man in the cockpit? Or travel there and hire some small aircraft with local pilot and do a thorough recon flight!
(@ website: you'll see a pic of the Breitling Super Conny on the ramp.)
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As long as you abide by the airport minima, you'll be fine for a straight-in approach either runway.
1st time there, wx needs to be CAVOK, and you need to have completed the on-line brief before operating. Also be aware that CAVOK at Engadin means something else than in the rest in the world...
There are no real sharp turns on either straight-in - if you are F2 at Maloja or Zerniz and are on profile, it'll be a walk in the park.
If the weather is not there - don't. Just...don't.
1st time there, wx needs to be CAVOK, and you need to have completed the on-line brief before operating. Also be aware that CAVOK at Engadin means something else than in the rest in the world...
There are no real sharp turns on either straight-in - if you are F2 at Maloja or Zerniz and are on profile, it'll be a walk in the park.
If the weather is not there - don't. Just...don't.
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"Dont even consider it........it would be a suicidal manouveur (I did it once in a Legacy......never again)
Ok for small props but NOT jet traffic, let alone your machine.
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Let me guess--you have been flying for an airline that 1. didnīt permit hand-flying, 2. didnīt permit circling approaches and 3, didnīt permit visuals.
Personally, I do not like making the turn in the valley, it is just narrow, so I overfly St Moritz, enter the parallel valley, descending, make two left turns with the valleys and voila--about a 6 mile final. Tell the pax in advance, so they can enjoy the view and it is a non-nail-biting event.
Ok for small props but NOT jet traffic, let alone your machine.
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Let me guess--you have been flying for an airline that 1. didnīt permit hand-flying, 2. didnīt permit circling approaches and 3, didnīt permit visuals.
Personally, I do not like making the turn in the valley, it is just narrow, so I overfly St Moritz, enter the parallel valley, descending, make two left turns with the valleys and voila--about a 6 mile final. Tell the pax in advance, so they can enjoy the view and it is a non-nail-biting event.
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As for the PCN number you can request an exemption from the Engadin authorities to operate your desired aircraft there even if the PCN number is not matching. I am not sure if operators of heavy jets (private ops) even bother but I was told that for insurance purposes it is better to have written confirmation from the airport that they approve the visit with your (heavy) aircraft
