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Old 14th Aug 2014, 04:40
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G650 day rate

EASA seems to have a final approval for GVI Reduced Type Rating training, for GIV and GV pilots fulfilling some prerequisites. This should cut down the Full TR course by 8 days.

Has anyone completed this reduced TR course, and where?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 12:19
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I stand to be corrected, but can't see them giving a G IV rated pilot a reduced course onto the 650, as they would have to do a full course to get on the 550. It would make sense for a 550 pilot to get a reduced course.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 02:41
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G650 day rate

B200drvr,

My mistake, should have said V IV-X version, and not only V IV.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 09:39
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I thought if you had 150 hours on G550 you got a reduced course?
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 13:25
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G650 day rate

150h is the number, yes, and the doc says on G IV-X or G V type.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 15:43
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Will this ever happen? I doubt it. Gulfstream tried to make the G650 a variant to the GV type back during development, and the FAA said no. Also, even if EASA approves reduced training, who would want to do it since they could only fly EASA aircraft.

Would FSI ever reduce the cost? Doubt that also.

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Old 16th Aug 2014, 05:29
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FrankR,


Why would you be limited to EASA airplanes? Any of the overseas authorities that currently accepts and validates EASA licenses likely still validate the EASA endorsed type rating. The only limitation would, as far as I can see, be not getting it accepted on your FAA ticket.


Kmax




Below is a link from EASA;


http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=t&rc...73231344,d.dGc
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 21:59
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You are correct Kmax,

So long as you only want to fly EASA reg G650, you are fine. I think you will have a big problem if you want a FAA type later on, since it would be a mountain of paperwork. I bet you will have to take the entire initial over since FSI would otherwise have to get approval for a new variation of "upgrade" type,,,, (if you ever deal with training organizations and the feds, you know how difficult it is).

So I'd say to bite the bullet, and sit through the extra few days in class and get the whole thing. I bet they put you through a full initial anyway, but give you days off when teaching the redundant classes... And it certainly won't cost more...

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Old 16th Aug 2014, 22:42
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Is the HK sim going to be an FAA approved device. If not by chance, then no FAA type ratings can be given in that sim.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 02:43
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FrankR,


With the FAA not currently approving the reduced course, it could easily become an issue later on, however only for aircrew, that holds the FAA ticket or would aspire to get one. There's still a lot of aircrew only operating on validations of their EASA licenses, and always have done so, who probably wouldn't care, combined with perhaps thousands of hours on the G IV-X or G-V, too do a reduced TR.


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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:55
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This thread was about daily rates.

EU 1,250 a day is being charged by someone I know straight out of school while he waits for delivery of his G-VI, and he intends to keep the rate for his 14 days off each month.

He didn't pay for his own rating of course. There are those who will undoubtedly ask for more, but at least this guy will be offering recency and he will be in good practice on the type.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 03:12
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Awaiting his G650, he's obviously got a permanent job, in addition to free lancing or at least one lined up, and as such is not making a living out of that rate, which is less than we pay G550 freelance crew.

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Old 18th Aug 2014, 05:02
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Another D-Bag bringing the industry down!!!! Hopefully no one will use him due to his lack of experience in the plane!

If he already has a job..... Then why bring the rest of the group down to some stupid low level?

Grow some balls already and get paid for what you do!
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 05:50
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Thumbs up

ALL HAIL NONEYA

.... for saying what ALL professional pilots should have said, or at least been thinking.

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Old 18th Aug 2014, 23:13
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Hopefully no one will use him due to his lack of experience in the plane!
I am not saying I condone it, or otherwise, but he WILL have experience and currency on type if he is flying it 14 days a month in his full time job and freelancing the rest of the month.

Just an aside, how many pilots do you think are gonna pay for their own ratings in the hope of picking up freelance work, and how current and experienced in type will they get on the airplane?
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 03:55
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I know of two gentlemen in the LA area charging US$2500/day. My understanding is that is fairly common in the US.
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 12:35
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Angel G550

Anybody have a G550 POH or Type Training Manual copy or CD to sell
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 18:08
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While we are talking about the 650, does anyone know what is the quickest delivery that one could expect if willing to buy one?
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 18:19
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Seems from above that the market, and not some vociferous posters here (who probably aren't even rated on the G-VI), will determine what the rate should be.

That's the way it should be despite sentiments of insecurity, protectionism and, God forbid, price fixing that seem to abound as soon as salaries/daily rates are mentioned on this forum.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 01:52
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Hi Mutt,
I know a very well placed US individual, who has all the funds available, who has been looking to buy one new off the line from someone who no longer wants one. He has been looking for over a year, and has not been able to make a deal.

If you put down cash today, it will be 53 months +/- last rumor I heard...

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