Age Restrictions within Europe?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: MCO (occasionally)
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Age Restrictions within Europe?
Hi,
I was just asked about age restrictions whilst flying within Europe.
If I am on a N reg part 91 G550 aircraft, based in US, and I fly a trip to Europe, is it true that at least one pilot must be under age 62? Would the regs change if it was a BBJ?
- It never occurred to me as age 62 is not on my horizon yet.
Thanks,
FR
I was just asked about age restrictions whilst flying within Europe.
If I am on a N reg part 91 G550 aircraft, based in US, and I fly a trip to Europe, is it true that at least one pilot must be under age 62? Would the regs change if it was a BBJ?
- It never occurred to me as age 62 is not on my horizon yet.
Thanks,
FR
I believe some countries in Europe require at least one of the pilots to be below a certain age to fly in their airspace.it could be 62.
France comes to mind
France comes to mind
Indeed this is the case in France, as a result of Air France pilot unions insisting that their pilots should be allowed to retire at 60 on huge pensions.
Just about every other pilot in France would like to carry on working until we drop, but unfortunately we are outvoted!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: I wouldn't know.
Posts: 4,498
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Doesn't have anything to do with the air france pilots in this case. The ICAO rules allow one of two or more pilots to be above 60, but below 65. However the other pilot has to be below 60. Two pilots between 60 and 65 is not within the scope of that.
´
However, that is only commercial air transport, private aviation does not have any age rules.
2.1.10.1 A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, shall not permit the holders thereof to act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 60th birthday or, in the case of operations with more than one pilot where the other pilot is younger than 60 years of age, their 65th birthday.
However, that is only commercial air transport, private aviation does not have any age rules.
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In the boot of my car!
Posts: 5,982
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This nevertheless contravenes every age discrimination law in Europe!
With people living longer and the inability of countries to meet pension requirements many choose to work to 70!
I doubt this would stand a test in the European courts unless backed up by hard medical evidence to support this discrimination.
I do not believe there is such evidence?
As long as the pilots meet requirements for a first class medical they should be able to work as long as they want.
Even with such evidence people are individual and while one person of 70 maybe like a 50 yr old some of 50 are like 70 yr old!
This is about individuals rights not carpet blanket rights
Someone will challenge it then all change
I was chatting to a London cab driver of 75 he stated that cab driving allowed him
And his wife a few luxuries like holidays abroad and kept him
From
Stagnating at home why should pilots be denied the same rights ?
Pace
With people living longer and the inability of countries to meet pension requirements many choose to work to 70!
I doubt this would stand a test in the European courts unless backed up by hard medical evidence to support this discrimination.
I do not believe there is such evidence?
As long as the pilots meet requirements for a first class medical they should be able to work as long as they want.
Even with such evidence people are individual and while one person of 70 maybe like a 50 yr old some of 50 are like 70 yr old!
This is about individuals rights not carpet blanket rights
Someone will challenge it then all change
I was chatting to a London cab driver of 75 he stated that cab driving allowed him
And his wife a few luxuries like holidays abroad and kept him
From
Stagnating at home why should pilots be denied the same rights ?
Pace
Last edited by Pace; 8th Dec 2012 at 08:42.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Hants,UK
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You’re right, about reaching 65, regarding flying commercial air transport:
CAP 804 (Flight Crew Licencing) Link: CAP 804: Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance | Publications | About the CAA
FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(a) Age 60–64. Aeroplanes and helicopters. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 60 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in
commercial air transport except:
(1) as a member of a multi-pilot crew; and
(2) provided that such a holder is the only pilot in the flight crew who has attained the age of 60 years.
FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(b) Age 65. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 65 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport.
I’ve attached a link to a "Court of Justice of the European Union
PRESS RELEASE No 88/11" / European court ruling that the IPA Welcome to the IPA are using as a case to back their age 60 year old + members on:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...rcAstVtz0CMAMw
InfoCuria
CAP 804 (Flight Crew Licencing) Link: CAP 804: Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance | Publications | About the CAA
FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(a) Age 60–64. Aeroplanes and helicopters. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 60 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in
commercial air transport except:
(1) as a member of a multi-pilot crew; and
(2) provided that such a holder is the only pilot in the flight crew who has attained the age of 60 years.
FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(b) Age 65. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 65 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport.
I’ve attached a link to a "Court of Justice of the European Union
PRESS RELEASE No 88/11" / European court ruling that the IPA Welcome to the IPA are using as a case to back their age 60 year old + members on:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...rcAstVtz0CMAMw
InfoCuria
