GIV Crash - LFMQ / Le Castellet
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Gulfstream 4 fatal crash in France
G4 crashed at Castellet, apparently on takeoff or landing, no details on that yet but it's on the airport. Three dead, two men and woman, all crew. No pax aboard.
Official: 3 Americans die as private jet crashes in France - CNN.com
Official: 3 Americans die as private jet crashes in France - CNN.com
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Already posted here: http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...castellet.html
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while it is hard to see, the photo in the above cnn link shows the port side thrust reverser deployed.
from this I gather that the plane aborted/rejected the takeoff...though it is still too soon to be sure.
going off the end of a runway, attempting to stop...always llook for thrust reverser position
from this I gather that the plane aborted/rejected the takeoff...though it is still too soon to be sure.
going off the end of a runway, attempting to stop...always llook for thrust reverser position
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It is not a Falcon 20, I flew it, the horizontal stabilizer looks like a Gulfstream IV. Since they were landing there they probably landed long and couldn't stop. Usually the FO gets the empty legs so may have played into the crash. He was young and the captain gave him too much leeway on landing. Unfortunate but I have let new guys land a bit long too but at some point, I have said land now or go around. You want to help the new guys but there is a limit on how much you can help them without endangering your flight.
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My conclusion: pilot entered stall and pulled back on the flight controls as per French training procedure
While I am no fan of the operator or its president, isn't it a bit early to stomp on the dead and monday morning quarterback? Three souls perished yesterday.
While I am no fan of the operator or its president, isn't it a bit early to stomp on the dead and monday morning quarterback? Three souls perished yesterday.
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Hey 44 if you had to do a go-round you made a mistake too, just as much as the new be. FYI been doing Operating Experiance for close to 30 years. Just don't let them get so far.... 
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file, I never went around once in 23,000 hrs unless it was low weather. I made the FO land every time because he didn't want to go around either. Going around isn't a big deal, by the way. It is part of every instrument approach. I think letting your FO make decisions prepares him for becoming a captain. Micro managing him doesn't. What do you think?
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Plenty of runway
Wx seems reasonable.
TR deployment on landing is normal, if only one deployed still no big deal, can land and stop no problem with a bit more brake application. Not sure of the #s but I suspect in the mid to high 3000s
A number of things could have contributed to the accident, to many to mention. Could have been anyone of us.
Thoughts go out to the families and friends
Wx seems reasonable.
TR deployment on landing is normal, if only one deployed still no big deal, can land and stop no problem with a bit more brake application. Not sure of the #s but I suspect in the mid to high 3000s
A number of things could have contributed to the accident, to many to mention. Could have been anyone of us.
Thoughts go out to the families and friends
The requisite amount of Pprune accident speculation. The facts appear to be:
1. US registered G IV flown by a known US operator
2. Occurred at LFMQ, LE Castellet, frequent "parking spot" when Nice is full
3. Wreckage is off the far end of runway
4. 3 crew died, RIP.
Beyond that, the BEA will have investigate.
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1. US registered G IV flown by a known US operator
2. Occurred at LFMQ, LE Castellet, frequent "parking spot" when Nice is full
3. Wreckage is off the far end of runway
4. 3 crew died, RIP.
Beyond that, the BEA will have investigate.
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Usually the FO gets the empty legs so may have played into the crash.
My philosophy is that the less experience a colleague has the more sectors should he/she be PF on, as long as there are no special conditions calling for anything else. For example bad weather combined with first time landing at an airport, company procedures requiring Cpt to perform the landing or if someone feels that "this one I'd prefer to be PNF on to get a chance to observe it" for whatever reason they may feel that that is a good idea to do.
There is, as far as I understand, and despite some comments here, no doubt that it was Universal Jet Aviation's G-IV sn 1005. Apparently a source withing the company made this statement last night:
"Universal Jet Aviation confirms an aviation accident involving one of our Gulfstream IV aircrafts at Le Castellet, France, and we currently have no further details concerning the circumstances of this incident,"
CP
Var-Matin giving unattributed report that the aircraft landed late/long on the runway.
Trois morts dans l'accident | Var-Matin
Another report from Var-Matin with more photos and a Google Earth picture of the airfield. The crash site is at the bottom right corner in the trees bordering the lake.
Trois morts dans un crash de jet privé au Castellet (VIDEO) | Var-Matin
Selon nos informations, l'aéronef aurait touché terre tardivement sur la piste.
Another report from Var-Matin with more photos and a Google Earth picture of the airfield. The crash site is at the bottom right corner in the trees bordering the lake.
Trois morts dans un crash de jet privé au Castellet (VIDEO) | Var-Matin
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Just an observation. I may have seen it wrong but from the video I got the impression that the main wreckage was at the end, but well to the left, of the runway. Perhaps it was indeed a G/A and subsequent stall.
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GIV Crash France.
Personally I think we should all not speculate in to what is a tragedy to the families of the crew involved.
The DGCA FAA NTSB and the Manufacturers will make the final decision on this incident.
As a GIV-GV pilot with over 10,000 hours on type based in europe its always disturbing to hear when one is lost.
The DGCA FAA NTSB and the Manufacturers will make the final decision on this incident.
As a GIV-GV pilot with over 10,000 hours on type based in europe its always disturbing to hear when one is lost.
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By the way, can't the mods change the post's title? It most definitely was not a Falcon. Why is this still in the title?
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Don't worry about the title, it was a GulfsteamIV. None of us has any idea how it ended up off the end of the runway so we will wait for the accident report. I am sorry if my report of the new guys flying the empty legs were normal I appologize. That is how we did it to give the passengers a smooth landing while the new guy got experience. Everybody has their own procedure.