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Old 16th May 2012, 20:22
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Sir Naill,
My money is with you.
Love the moniker!
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Old 19th May 2012, 17:01
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IWRBF

I totally support His Dudeness.
I am sorry but I am a sceptic of such good intentions. It is usually someones bank balance? Government looking for acceptable reasons to create artificial jobs or mostly acceptable taxes which never find their way to whatever cause they are raised for.

You talk of freedoms but that is a very loosely used term. We have never been less free now than ever!

We have never lived in such a big brother society than now.

This protection against terrorism is a red herring.
Any terrorist would find it far far easier to drag a case onto the London Tubes in the rush hour where he would find no security, no one to check whether he held more than 100ml of liquid in his case or even have the case checked through an X ray machine.
He could simply walk on with the crowds and kill as many people as there are on any aircraft.

The Burocracy, red tape , regulators, streams of meaningless paperwork and millions of created government jobs is the reason Europe is living above its means and quickly going down the plug hole.

Madness!!! as an example we dropped a jet at Southend today parked up where we were told to and with yellow jackets walked to the terminal some 100 m away.
An irate person charged up to tell us in an aggressive manner that we were supposed to walk between two vague white broken lines 20 yds to our left.
No traffic lights! Just two vague broken white lines.
We are pilots! It is hard to miss a huge 737 on the taxiway. Far more dangerous crossing the road in town and what difference would two vague white lines make to being run over by a 737? But no! Its regulations This world is going mad!

Pace

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Old 19th May 2012, 19:09
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Pace;

So you receieved the wonderful Stobart welcome! sounds like the same bloke I met there. One day someone will lose it and that guy will get a towbar inserted firmly in his fundament!

And as for your other comments couldn't agree more. Now tell me old boy ever fancied being prime minister........................?

SND
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Old 20th May 2012, 00:23
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@His dudeness

You won't find me arguing with SENSIBLE security.

Whats done currently is mostly not sensible, just harassment and power trips of security agencies.
I agree about the procedures in the foreground being (very) far from perfect.

Thanks, so we are already at a point where 'you' want to order me what to think or what to say ?
I just said
--> This shouldn't ever come to your mind, not even in a sarcastic way. <--
in regard to your statement:
Im almost at a point where I would not report someone with a gun or grenade should I ever see him on an airport. (note: I wrote almost)
I don't wish to change you, your personality, your political views or the brand of your breakfast cereals. The statement you gave does bother me, though. Almost is "almost", not "never ever". Your frustration about the daily problems with all the daily hassles seems to make you insensible to what you declare as your personal statements. In other words: Are you aware what you're saying? This is a rhetoric question, though.

@Pace
My definition of freedom is quite complex, you're right. Us being less free now than ever is... a bold statement at least. Surveillance alone does not compromise freedom.
About the Southend thing: a person compensating his own powerless on the basis of 'safety' (not: security, that's why this example doesn't really fit in here...) is nothing new. Laugh about it.

To clarify what I wrote above:

- I don't believe in bureaucracy
- I'm aware of the state of idiocracy in regulations and governmental issues
- I'm neither right wing nor do I like what has been done to all of us in the last 11 years (and before)

On the other hand:

- There is a real threat. The minimal knowledge I have about mass psychology and leadership tells me, that there is a vast chance that the 'Puppeteers' do have quite a bit more information than the 'Cattle' (us...) has. This would at least explain the governmental paranoia since 2001.
- One should not mistake the nuisance of the ludicrous amateur like show that underpaid actors perform at thousands of security gates worldwide with all the stuff going on in the background.
- One should differentiate between safety and security

Open your eyes. As long as there is poverty in this world you only need religious fanatics, extreme ideologists or just people who wish to profit of the tension between rich and poor... and voila, you have a recipe for disaster. Ending all political and military influence (and intervention) in the world will not stabilize the world's situation. This is wishful thinking. Mankind is centuries away from the individual thinking for itself, and as long as you don't invent some kind of intellectuality and consciousness booster, the richer will have to continue in defending their position. Do you really believe "the fire" will extinguish itself?

I do understand the daily frustration regarding these often totally pointless and sometimes insane procedures. But honestly: do you really think all this is nonsense? Do you really think that aviation with its vital purpose of business interconnection, with its billions and billions of turnover and its symbolic value in terrorist attacks is on the same place on Mr. T. Errorist's wish list?

Please, I understand your position. I even respect it. But there's more than one truth on some things...

Kind regards,
Peter
(who will NEVER hesitate to stop some idiot who intends to do harm to innocent people just to get rid of his frustration. Harsh words, I know. But true.)
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Old 20th May 2012, 09:40
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Now tell me old boy ever fancied being prime minister........................?
Sir Niall

Not in the slightest does not matter who is there its all window dressing nowadays.
If we look at prior 9/11 I used to sit up front for hours going to the USA in a 777, 747. Mention of a commercial licence and you were welcome.
9/11 and all that talk of fighting for the freedoms that had been hard fought for?
The world changed dramatically for the worse and as for the freedoms??? I am afraid the terrorists won big time.

Pace
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Old 20th May 2012, 10:02
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Open your eyes. As long as there is poverty in this world you only need religious fanatics, extreme ideologists or just people who wish to profit of the tension between rich and poor... and voila, you have a recipe for disaster.
Agreed. Unfortunately, the "people who wish to profit of the tension between rich and poor" is the rich 'puppeteers', certainly happy that the poor 'cattle' can be so successfully silenced by the buzzword "security". IMHO there's no real governmental paranoia at all, it's just a show to convince the 'cattle' that giving more and more power and control to the 'puppeteers' is in their own best interest . BTW, a German cabaret artist once put the "real threat" into context quite well, comparing the number of victims of religious terrorism in Europe to the death toll of road traffic, smoking, alcohol, and treatment errors in medical care. Al-Qaeda must be green with envy.

Sorry for OT.
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Old 21st May 2012, 06:24
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Pace;

Your'e very right, we lost, and I doubt our political masters will ever let us have our freedom back.

SND
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Old 21st May 2012, 08:04
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Naill, you shouldn't talk about that here. Saying "we lost" is giving aid and comfort to the enemy - very dangerous and will encourage more attacks.
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