8 people across 3000nm
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8 people across 3000nm
Dear All,
We are currently evaluating a number of aircraft including Embraer Legacy, Challenger 604, Falcon 2000, etc.
Our basic requirement is to move 8 people about 3000nm non stop. While the salesmen promise that a lot of aircraft will do it, i'm interested in real world experiences with the above aircraft.
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We are currently evaluating a number of aircraft including Embraer Legacy, Challenger 604, Falcon 2000, etc.
Our basic requirement is to move 8 people about 3000nm non stop. While the salesmen promise that a lot of aircraft will do it, i'm interested in real world experiences with the above aircraft.
Thanks
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I currently fly a 2000EX Easy and 3000nm is bread and butter.
You will do this with plenty of reserves, all the luggage and do it from a short runway to boot.
3000nm = 7hr = 14000lb of fuel = too easy
Plus with a Falcon you have the high MLW so you can tanker a stack of motion lotion when the boss wants you to do short legs. in this respect it has it all over a 601/604.
You will do this with plenty of reserves, all the luggage and do it from a short runway to boot.
3000nm = 7hr = 14000lb of fuel = too easy
Plus with a Falcon you have the high MLW so you can tanker a stack of motion lotion when the boss wants you to do short legs. in this respect it has it all over a 601/604.
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Excellent figures RFGN, but what happens if all 9 people turn up with 2 Samsonites each?? Where are you going to put them then??
The problems with Hawkers, short range or long, is ALWAYS baggage space.
Falcon 2000EX is streets ahead on all counts.
(I don't fly the 2000 BTW)
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Jez
Excellent figures RFGN, but what happens if all 9 people turn up with 2 Samsonites each?? Where are you going to put them then??
The problems with Hawkers, short range or long, is ALWAYS baggage space.
Falcon 2000EX is streets ahead on all counts.
(I don't fly the 2000 BTW)
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The Hawker 1000 with 9 Pax is a nightmare for luggage. Great aircraft though and a joy to fly.
The 2000EX has a mass of space compared with the Hawker. They are in very different leagues.
The 900EX is huge compared to the Hawker - the 2000 has more!
The 2000EX has a mass of space compared with the Hawker. They are in very different leagues.
The 900EX is huge compared to the Hawker - the 2000 has more!
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CL604 is the way forward
Challenger 604 Will do the 3,000nm no sweat with lots of bags and 8 or 9 pax in great comfort.
Aircraft available at good price compared to a Falcon 2000
Operating costs, fuel burn a fraction of the G450.
Mx costs a fraction of the Falcons
Aircraft available at good price compared to a Falcon 2000
Operating costs, fuel burn a fraction of the G450.
Mx costs a fraction of the Falcons
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G4 cheap to buy but big maintenance bills and even bigger fuel bills.
F900 more expensive to buy but less than 2/3rds fuel consumption of the G4
Maybe a Legacy 600? Massive hold but I think a little stretched for 3000nm?
F900 more expensive to buy but less than 2/3rds fuel consumption of the G4
Maybe a Legacy 600? Massive hold but I think a little stretched for 3000nm?
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According to the Embraer website the Legacy 650 will do 3800nm with 8 pax.
Embraer Executive Jets
Would seem to do the job for you, but treat manufacturers claims with caution.
Embraer Executive Jets
Would seem to do the job for you, but treat manufacturers claims with caution.
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I ponder when some realism will enter this discussion and the limitation will be 'an aircraft under $3 million that can go 3000 nm' or such.
Another thought..the longest overwater distance on Earth evidently is California to Hawaii, so unless you start coming up with scenarios like the North Pole over the ocean to the South Pole. Simply put 3000 nm is 'nice' to have...but I am not sure If you really need that range for other then convenience sake. While I don't fly those ranges...I gather a few corporate flight departments would like to fly West Coast direct Japan, rather then a hop a few islands to get there. It's been my experience if you really need that type of range the GIV will pretty much do it all, but that's just what I have heard.
Another thought..the longest overwater distance on Earth evidently is California to Hawaii, so unless you start coming up with scenarios like the North Pole over the ocean to the South Pole. Simply put 3000 nm is 'nice' to have...but I am not sure If you really need that range for other then convenience sake. While I don't fly those ranges...I gather a few corporate flight departments would like to fly West Coast direct Japan, rather then a hop a few islands to get there. It's been my experience if you really need that type of range the GIV will pretty much do it all, but that's just what I have heard.