8 people across 3000nm
 

Dear All,

We are currently evaluating a number of aircraft including Embraer Legacy, Challenger 604, Falcon 2000, etc.

Our basic requirement is to move 8 people about 3000nm non stop. While the salesmen promise that a lot of aircraft will do it, i'm interested in real world experiences with the above aircraft.

Thanks

Falcon 900 range.

F2000 EX/Easy

Gulfstream IV, IVSP, 450, V and 550.

I currently fly a 2000EX Easy and 3000nm is bread and butter.

You will do this with plenty of reserves, all the luggage and do it from a short runway to boot.

3000nm = 7hr = 14000lb of fuel = too easy:ok:

Plus with a Falcon you have the high MLW so you can tanker a stack of motion lotion when the boss wants you to do short legs. in this respect it has it all over a 601/604.:E

Hello,

As Hawker driver, I would suggest you the Hawker 1000 series, 9 people across 3200NM.

Rgds

With how many build? 52? And the last off the line is how old?

RFGN

Excellent figures RFGN, but what happens if all 9 people turn up with 2 Samsonites each?? Where are you going to put them then??
The problems with Hawkers, short range or long, is ALWAYS baggage space.

Falcon 2000EX is streets ahead on all counts.

(I don't fly the 2000 BTW)

Regards,
Jez

Thanks. Seems Falcon is the way to go

Cambioso,

Yes indeed there is not enough space in all the Hawker series,but how much is a Falcon 2000 EX?

Look at the controller, some used HS125-1000 are no bad...

The Hawker 1000 with 9 Pax is a nightmare for luggage. Great aircraft though and a joy to fly.

The 2000EX has a mass of space compared with the Hawker. They are in very different leagues.

The 900EX is huge compared to the Hawker - the 2000 has more!

GIV/SP. No brainer. pre used fairly low hours circa 16 million USD.

Why not Challenger 604/605?
Price per hour much cheaper than GIV/F2000, a bit less roomy, but sure bet for 3000 nm and 9 pax.

Citation X.

You guys can sit down there in the bumps if you want, myself, I don't plan on spending my whole life in a cockpit.

CL604 is the way forward
 

Challenger 604 Will do the 3,000nm no sweat with lots of bags and 8 or 9 pax in great comfort.

Aircraft available at good price compared to a Falcon 2000

Operating costs, fuel burn a fraction of the G450.

Mx costs a fraction of the Falcons

G4 cheap to buy but big maintenance bills and even bigger fuel bills.

F900 more expensive to buy but less than 2/3rds fuel consumption of the G4

Maybe a Legacy 600? Massive hold but I think a little stretched for 3000nm?

According to the Embraer website the Legacy 650 will do 3800nm with 8 pax.

Embraer Executive Jets

Would seem to do the job for you, but treat manufacturers claims with caution.

Unless buying new, there aren't many secondhand 650's yet.......and I suspect a 600 may not quite make 3000nm?? Secondhand Legacy 600's are good value for money though......

Get yourself the legacy 650 it will do it and have a much better hold capacity than the falcon.

D and F

I ponder when some realism will enter this discussion and the limitation will be 'an aircraft under $3 million that can go 3000 nm' or such.

Another thought..the longest overwater distance on Earth evidently is California to Hawaii, so unless you start coming up with scenarios like the North Pole over the ocean to the South Pole. Simply put 3000 nm is 'nice' to have...but I am not sure If you really need that range for other then convenience sake. While I don't fly those ranges...I gather a few corporate flight departments would like to fly West Coast direct Japan, rather then a hop a few islands to get there. It's been my experience if you really need that type of range the GIV will pretty much do it all, but that's just what I have heard.