Italians new tax..... SNAFU
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Italians new tax..... SNAFU
This is only the start, when the rest start to collapse this what you should expect........
Italy has introduced a new 'luxury tax' on private aircraft which will have a serious impact on the aviation industry and is likely to cost the country more than it brings in in revenue. The new tax will be levied on a sliding scale from 1.5 per kilogram per year for aircraft under 1,000 kgs to 7.55 per kg for aircraft over 10,000 kg, with helicopters paying double. While the tax will further depress aircraft ownership in Italy, it could affect every pilot in Europe because it applies to any private aircraft, of any nationality, which remains on Italian territory for 48 hours or more. Not only does that make visiting Italy expensive, but even passing through the country becomes risky. A weather delay, a mechanical problem, or industrial action by ATC could land the transiting pilot with a tax bill running into thousands of euros.
Massimo Levy of AOPA Italy says: "It looks like they really want to put an end GA in this country. Can you imagine an English tourist with a private plane being obliged to pay 3,500 'luxury tax' at the end of his long weekend in Italy? Or the American businessman arriving with his Citation remaining for more than two days?
"What will happen now to Italian GA? I have no idea. It looks like we really might have reached the end of the road."
AOPA Italy has spoken with a number of politicians making it clear that while aircraft owners should contribute at what is seen to be a time of national emergency, the levels of tax were so excessive that they would cripple the industry and therefore produce less revenue than they would if they were set at more sensible levels. Political promises of alleviation have come to nothing.
The new taxes, imposed under a decree named 'Save Italy' which also raises the pension age by five years, hit almost everything but are particularly heavy on items such as cars over 250 hp, boats more than 10 metres long, and all aircraft. While boats and cars enjoy a discount on the basis of the age after 20 years a boat pays only 50% of the tax and a car does not pay at all *aircraft pay the full amount indefinitely.
Airlines, charter and aerial work operators are exempt from the tax, as are government, police and military aircraft. Others must pay annually:
Up to* 1,000 kg MTOW 1.50 per kg
Up to* 2,000 kg MTOW 2.50 per kg
Up to* 4,000 kg MTOW 4.25 per kg
Up to* 6,000 kg MTOW 5.75 per kg
Up to* 8,000 kg MTOW 6.65 per kg
Up to* 10,000 kg MTOW 7.10 per kg
Over 10,000 kg MTOW 7.55 per kg
Helicopters must conform to this weight scale but pay double the amounts. *Gliders, motorgliders, gyroplanes and balloons will pay a fixed 450 per year.
The application of these tax rates to foreign aircraft will discourage aerial tourism, but Massimo Levy wonders whether anyone will really notice. "Italy already extends poor hospitality to foreign GA airplanes, with all its airspace and airport regulations and charges," he says, "so possibly no-one will notice that the trade has all gone, unless something happens like a foreigner refusing to pay and the authorities impounding an aircraft. Something like this would make a lot of bad publicity to the country.
"Perhaps AOPA members will consider writing to the Italian embassy in their respective countries pointing out that Italy will lose more than it gains by this."
Italy has introduced a new 'luxury tax' on private aircraft which will have a serious impact on the aviation industry and is likely to cost the country more than it brings in in revenue. The new tax will be levied on a sliding scale from 1.5 per kilogram per year for aircraft under 1,000 kgs to 7.55 per kg for aircraft over 10,000 kg, with helicopters paying double. While the tax will further depress aircraft ownership in Italy, it could affect every pilot in Europe because it applies to any private aircraft, of any nationality, which remains on Italian territory for 48 hours or more. Not only does that make visiting Italy expensive, but even passing through the country becomes risky. A weather delay, a mechanical problem, or industrial action by ATC could land the transiting pilot with a tax bill running into thousands of euros.
Massimo Levy of AOPA Italy says: "It looks like they really want to put an end GA in this country. Can you imagine an English tourist with a private plane being obliged to pay 3,500 'luxury tax' at the end of his long weekend in Italy? Or the American businessman arriving with his Citation remaining for more than two days?
"What will happen now to Italian GA? I have no idea. It looks like we really might have reached the end of the road."
AOPA Italy has spoken with a number of politicians making it clear that while aircraft owners should contribute at what is seen to be a time of national emergency, the levels of tax were so excessive that they would cripple the industry and therefore produce less revenue than they would if they were set at more sensible levels. Political promises of alleviation have come to nothing.
The new taxes, imposed under a decree named 'Save Italy' which also raises the pension age by five years, hit almost everything but are particularly heavy on items such as cars over 250 hp, boats more than 10 metres long, and all aircraft. While boats and cars enjoy a discount on the basis of the age after 20 years a boat pays only 50% of the tax and a car does not pay at all *aircraft pay the full amount indefinitely.
Airlines, charter and aerial work operators are exempt from the tax, as are government, police and military aircraft. Others must pay annually:
Up to* 1,000 kg MTOW 1.50 per kg
Up to* 2,000 kg MTOW 2.50 per kg
Up to* 4,000 kg MTOW 4.25 per kg
Up to* 6,000 kg MTOW 5.75 per kg
Up to* 8,000 kg MTOW 6.65 per kg
Up to* 10,000 kg MTOW 7.10 per kg
Over 10,000 kg MTOW 7.55 per kg
Helicopters must conform to this weight scale but pay double the amounts. *Gliders, motorgliders, gyroplanes and balloons will pay a fixed 450 per year.
The application of these tax rates to foreign aircraft will discourage aerial tourism, but Massimo Levy wonders whether anyone will really notice. "Italy already extends poor hospitality to foreign GA airplanes, with all its airspace and airport regulations and charges," he says, "so possibly no-one will notice that the trade has all gone, unless something happens like a foreigner refusing to pay and the authorities impounding an aircraft. Something like this would make a lot of bad publicity to the country.
"Perhaps AOPA members will consider writing to the Italian embassy in their respective countries pointing out that Italy will lose more than it gains by this."
AOPA Italy has spoken with a number of politicians making it clear that while aircraft owners should contribute at what is seen to be a time of national emergency, the levels of tax were so excessive that they would cripple the industry and therefore produce less revenue than they would if they were set at more sensible levels. Political promises of alleviation have come to nothing.
where next? Greece? Spain?Italian political promises = oxymoron.
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What can I say? As ist is now, the Italian national debts are going to be paid back by northern european taxpayers. Now someone comes up with a smart idea to let wealthy Italians pay their own bills (I do not feel sorry at all for people who own a helicopter or an airplane over 10 tons...).
Guess which option we northern european taxpayers prefer?
Happy landings
Max
NB: I lived in Italy for 20 years and know a few things about local tax paying habits...
What can I say? As ist is now, the Italian national debts are going to be paid back by northern european taxpayers. Now someone comes up with a smart idea to let wealthy Italians pay their own bills (I do not feel sorry at all for people who own a helicopter or an airplane over 10 tons...).
Guess which option we northern european taxpayers prefer?
Happy landings
Max
NB: I lived in Italy for 20 years and know a few things about local tax paying habits...
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While the tax will further depress aircraft ownership in Italy, it could affect every pilot in Europe because it applies to any private aircraft, of any nationality, which remains on Italian territory for 48 hours or more.
Please, be sure when you post something.
Bye!
PS: you "north european" taxpayers can happily mind your own business, no need to talk **** about us, and then but spend your holidays down here.
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Now someone comes up with a smart idea to let wealthy Italians pay their own bills (I do not feel sorry at all for people who own a helicopter or an airplane over 10 tons...).
Fair enough, but what about the guys who come to do Buisness? Do you think they want to be ripped off by the Italians more than twice.
When there is no more foreign revenue then what? Northern Europe will pay any way. Ass about backwards I think....
Volare, Oh oh
Cantare, oh oh oh oh!
What would Dean Martin think...
What next - this will affect all of us, not just tax evading Mediterranean minorities. I feel for you in that you're homeland (and many others) are bailing these guys out of your taxes. Just imagine for one minute that your boss may consider selling his aircraft due to these increased operating overheads...
It's a disaster!
BTW are you speaking from an airline pilots viewpoint?
Cantare, oh oh oh oh!
What would Dean Martin think...
What next - this will affect all of us, not just tax evading Mediterranean minorities. I feel for you in that you're homeland (and many others) are bailing these guys out of your taxes. Just imagine for one minute that your boss may consider selling his aircraft due to these increased operating overheads...
It's a disaster!
BTW are you speaking from an airline pilots viewpoint?
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I hope you know italian.
13. (aeromobili) Θ istituita limposta erariale sugli aeromobili privati, di cui allarticolo 744 del codice della navigazione, immatricolati nel registro aeronautico nazionale, nelle seguenti misure annuali:
a) velivoli con peso massimo al decollo: 1) fino a 1.000 kg., euro 1,50 al kg; 2) fino a 2.000 kg., euro 2,45 al kg; 3) fino a 4.000 kg., euro 4,25 al kg; 4) fino a 6.000 kg., euro 5,75 al kg;
5) fino a 8.000 kg., euro 6,65 al kg; 6) fino a 10.000 kg., euro 7,10 al kg; 7) oltre 10.000 kg., euro 7,55 al kg;
b) elicotteri: limposta dovuta θ pari al doppio di quella stabilita per i velivoli di corrispondente peso;
c) alianti, motoalianti, autogiri e aerostati, euro 450,00.
15. Limposta θ dovuta da chi risulta dai pubblici registri essere proprietario, usufruttuario, acquirente con patto di riservato dominio, ovvero utilizzatore a titolo di locazione finanziaria dellaeromobile, ed θ corrisposta allatto della richiesta di rilascio o di rinnovo del certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ in relazione allintero periodo di validitΰ del certificato stesso. Nel caso in cui il certificato abbia validitΰ inferiore ad un anno limposta θ dovuta nella misura di un dodicesimo degli importi di cui al comma 13 per ciascun mese di validitΰ.
16. Per gli aeromobili con certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ in corso di validitΰ alla data di entrata in vigore del presente decreto limposta θ versata, entro novanta giorni da tale data, in misura pari a un dodicesimo degli importi stabiliti nel comma 13 per ciascun mese da quello in corso alla predetta data sino al mese in cui scade la validitΰ del predetto certificato. Entro lo stesso termine deve essere pagata limposta relativa agli aeromobili per i quali il rilascio o il rinnovo del certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ avviene nel periodo compreso fra la data di entrata in vigore del presente decreto ed il 31 gennaio 2012.
17. Sono esenti dallimposta di cui al comma 13 gli aeromobili di Stato e quelli ad essi equiparati; gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza dei licenziatari dei servizi di linea e non di linea, nonchι del lavoro aereo, di cui al codice della navigazione, parte seconda, libro I, titolo VI, capi I, II e III; gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza delle Organizzazioni Registrate (OR), delle scuole di addestramento FTO (Flight Training Organisation) e dei Centri di Addestramento per le Abilitazioni (TRTO - Type Rating Training Organisation); gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza dellAero Club dItalia, degli Aero Club locali e dellAssociazione nazionale paracadutisti dItalia; gli aeromobili immatricolati a nome dei costruttori e in attesa di vendita; gli aeromobili esclusivamente destinati allelisoccorso o allaviosoccorso.
18. Limposta di cui al comma 13 θ versata secondo modalitΰ stabilite con provvedimento del Direttore dellAgenzia delle entrate da emanarsi entro sessanta giorni dallentrata in vigore del presente decreto.
13. (aeromobili) Θ istituita limposta erariale sugli aeromobili privati, di cui allarticolo 744 del codice della navigazione, immatricolati nel registro aeronautico nazionale, nelle seguenti misure annuali:
a) velivoli con peso massimo al decollo: 1) fino a 1.000 kg., euro 1,50 al kg; 2) fino a 2.000 kg., euro 2,45 al kg; 3) fino a 4.000 kg., euro 4,25 al kg; 4) fino a 6.000 kg., euro 5,75 al kg;
5) fino a 8.000 kg., euro 6,65 al kg; 6) fino a 10.000 kg., euro 7,10 al kg; 7) oltre 10.000 kg., euro 7,55 al kg;
b) elicotteri: limposta dovuta θ pari al doppio di quella stabilita per i velivoli di corrispondente peso;
c) alianti, motoalianti, autogiri e aerostati, euro 450,00.
15. Limposta θ dovuta da chi risulta dai pubblici registri essere proprietario, usufruttuario, acquirente con patto di riservato dominio, ovvero utilizzatore a titolo di locazione finanziaria dellaeromobile, ed θ corrisposta allatto della richiesta di rilascio o di rinnovo del certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ in relazione allintero periodo di validitΰ del certificato stesso. Nel caso in cui il certificato abbia validitΰ inferiore ad un anno limposta θ dovuta nella misura di un dodicesimo degli importi di cui al comma 13 per ciascun mese di validitΰ.
16. Per gli aeromobili con certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ in corso di validitΰ alla data di entrata in vigore del presente decreto limposta θ versata, entro novanta giorni da tale data, in misura pari a un dodicesimo degli importi stabiliti nel comma 13 per ciascun mese da quello in corso alla predetta data sino al mese in cui scade la validitΰ del predetto certificato. Entro lo stesso termine deve essere pagata limposta relativa agli aeromobili per i quali il rilascio o il rinnovo del certificato di revisione della aeronavigabilitΰ avviene nel periodo compreso fra la data di entrata in vigore del presente decreto ed il 31 gennaio 2012.
17. Sono esenti dallimposta di cui al comma 13 gli aeromobili di Stato e quelli ad essi equiparati; gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza dei licenziatari dei servizi di linea e non di linea, nonchι del lavoro aereo, di cui al codice della navigazione, parte seconda, libro I, titolo VI, capi I, II e III; gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza delle Organizzazioni Registrate (OR), delle scuole di addestramento FTO (Flight Training Organisation) e dei Centri di Addestramento per le Abilitazioni (TRTO - Type Rating Training Organisation); gli aeromobili di proprietΰ o in esercenza dellAero Club dItalia, degli Aero Club locali e dellAssociazione nazionale paracadutisti dItalia; gli aeromobili immatricolati a nome dei costruttori e in attesa di vendita; gli aeromobili esclusivamente destinati allelisoccorso o allaviosoccorso.
18. Limposta di cui al comma 13 θ versata secondo modalitΰ stabilite con provvedimento del Direttore dellAgenzia delle entrate da emanarsi entro sessanta giorni dallentrata in vigore del presente decreto.
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[QUOTE]Wow, such a load of moaning and crap based on wrong information.
Makes you wonder about the intelligence of these "taxpayers".
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Ok ok calma, calma, as you probably assumed with your legal post we don't read Italian, the result of my conclusion is what you get from from other sources and this time the inteligance was bad.
So seeing I had to do some google translate, it only applies to Italian registered aircraft?
If you go to private flying the discussion already includes non Italian aircraft.
Makes you wonder about the intelligence of these "taxpayers".
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Ok ok calma, calma, as you probably assumed with your legal post we don't read Italian, the result of my conclusion is what you get from from other sources and this time the inteligance was bad.
So seeing I had to do some google translate, it only applies to Italian registered aircraft?
If you go to private flying the discussion already includes non Italian aircraft.
Dirk, I don't see you having a lot of confidence in your own Government! This is from another of your posts in the flight training forum:
7th Sep 2008, 14:40 * #7 (permalink)
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My school gave me a word doc, not a paper version.
I've also tried to ask the italian CAA but I'm quite sure I'll never get a response from them...
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My school gave me a word doc, not a paper version.
I've also tried to ask the italian CAA but I'm quite sure I'll never get a response from them...
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What can I say? As ist is now, the Italian national debts are going to be paid back by northern european taxpayers. Now someone comes up with a smart idea to let wealthy Italians pay their own bills (I do not feel sorry at all for people who own a helicopter or an airplane over 10 tons...).
The one who will end up paying are the owners of small prop aircraft.
And from your post, any tax is good, as long as it applies to others, right?
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mattman from the information that is available now it seems it's only applicable to italian registered planes, and only to private owned ones, ie not under AOC.
I have absolutely zero confidence in Italian CAA, and even less in the Government, but that doesn't mean I enjoy people talking sh** about my country, especially if using wrong information.
Cheers!
I have absolutely zero confidence in Italian CAA, and even less in the Government, but that doesn't mean I enjoy people talking sh** about my country, especially if using wrong information.
Cheers!
Most if not all jets and aircraft above 10 tons are under an AOC so they are not going to pay anything.
Maybe
I'm not convinced, however, that this insane tax is valid only for Italian aircraft though. If so, it would be only too easy to change to another register such as Malta or the IOM for private aircraft. (Not as if any wealthy Italians would want to evade tax though
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Let's hope it just doesn't happen... Some on other forums saying its for all aircraft registers, not just Italian. Well soon see!
From the IAOPA article:
I'm not convinced, however, that this insane tax is valid only for Italian aircraft though. If so, it would be only too easy to change to another register such as Malta or the IOM for private aircraft. (Not as if any wealthy Italians would want to evade tax though
)Let's hope it just doesn't happen... Some on other forums saying its for all aircraft registers, not just Italian. Well soon see!
From the IAOPA article:
it could affect every pilot in Europe because it applies to any private aircraft, of any nationality, which remains on Italian territory for 48 hours or more. Not only does that make visiting Italy expensive, but even passing through the country becomes risky
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I'm not convinced, however, that this insane tax is valid only for Italian aircraft though. If so, it would be only too easy to change to another register such as Malta or the IOM for private aircraft. (Not as if any wealthy Italians would want to evade tax though
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But as I said most if not all Jets, turboprops and helicopters are under AOC, so they will not be touched by this tax.
Regarding foreign aircraft, there seems to be a bit of confusion, as Dirk85 said, comma14bis(relating to foreign aircraft in Italy for 48h) was briefly introduced but quickly removed from the final legislation.
I'm anyway following the issue and waiting for the final drafting.
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I do operate a pvt airplane above 10 tons and we sometimes have to operate to Italy.
flydive, as you seem to be the only sane Italian on this thread: will we have to pay after 48hrs or not? (D-reg)
We happily mind our own business as soon as you retract you hands out of our pockets. As long as Italy wants to suck off the EU tit it has to accept that the paying country has a right to mind the business of Italy. Show us that we are wrong in 'talking **** about you' then we won΄t do it.
There is no fire without smoke....
flydive, as you seem to be the only sane Italian on this thread: will we have to pay after 48hrs or not? (D-reg)
I have absolutely zero confidence in Italian CAA, and even less in the Government, but that doesn't mean I enjoy people talking sh** about my country
You "north european" taxpayers can happily mind your own business, no need to talk **** about us, and then but spend your holidays down here.
You "north european" taxpayers can happily mind your own business, no need to talk **** about us, and then but spend your holidays down here.
There is no fire without smoke....
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Talking about taxpayers and titsuckers, a fine example of how our arian friends are pretty good at not practising what they preach comes form today news:
I tedeschi che non pagano le tasse, in Italia: il caso Bosch | Blitz quotidiano
In two words Bosch didn't pay 1300 MILLIONS of taxes in Italy, and agreed to settle for 300 millions...
I tedeschi che non pagano le tasse, in Italia: il caso Bosch | Blitz quotidiano
In two words Bosch didn't pay 1300 MILLIONS of taxes in Italy, and agreed to settle for 300 millions...