New UK based charter company?
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New UK based charter company?
Has anyone else heard about this new start up AOC to be based in the southeast? I heard about it whilst on a split duty the other day, apparently they have solid financial city backing and are talking about taking the charter market by storm. Initially talking about operating small Citations, possibly Bravo/XL. They seem to have a good idea about how to succeed where others have struggled. Should be good for the jobs market if they pull it off, there must be loads of Citation drivers out there! Not sure about base location yet, please pm if anyone has any more details
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Havn't heard anything but would like to find out more if it's legit. Got over 3000 hrs on Citations and fancy change from flying a principal about that doesn't appreciate me. Also be nice to move back to Blighty.
Lets hope its a goer.
Lets hope its a goer.
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SouthEast!!! Put two and two together? Expanded Southend with new fast raillink into London..... Somewhere someone might like to take advantage of the crumbs a big shark has created?
Has to be Southend on the Old Kudos 24/7 side!
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SouthEast!!! Put two and two together? Expanded Southend with new fast raillink into London..... Somewhere someone might like to take advantage of the crumbs a big shark has created?
Has to be Southend on the Old Kudos 24/7 side!
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I can add a bit more clarity to what has been mentioned in the earlier posts.
Some City Boys have the finance to purchase three Bravos. They are also looking at the possibility of purchasing a Hawker.
They are looking to base the company in Southend / Biggin Hill.
Salary is undecided, but they are looking at offering good benefits such as profit share, roster, medical , 4* Hotels etc.
They will shorlty be be recruiting in Flight International for type rated guys.
So if you fed up with your boss and typed give it a shot
Best of luck
MisterT
Some City Boys have the finance to purchase three Bravos. They are also looking at the possibility of purchasing a Hawker.
They are looking to base the company in Southend / Biggin Hill.
Salary is undecided, but they are looking at offering good benefits such as profit share, roster, medical , 4* Hotels etc.
They will shorlty be be recruiting in Flight International for type rated guys.
So if you fed up with your boss and typed give it a shot
Best of luck
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Taking the charter market by storm // Solid financial backing
In my 35 + years in the business I have heard this all before
Best of luck to them they will need it as there is a lot of competion out there which will eat them very quickly
We shall wait and see when the ducks arrive
In my 35 + years in the business I have heard this all before
Best of luck to them they will need it as there is a lot of competion out there which will eat them very quickly
We shall wait and see when the ducks arrive
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A startup offering profit share??? No-one will be retiring on that methinks.
Good idea though, there is a distinct lack of supply in the Bravo / CJ2 and XLS market at the moment, and I'm sure everyone will be flocking to use Southend once it has a fast train link. (Sarcasm!!)
No doubt the massive surge of charter demand during the Olyimpics is somewhere in the business plan too.
Oh, and as a bit of advice, if you are posting fake "articles of ineterest" one use the Ipad on 3g, the other use the laptop - hey presto, we no longer know that you are both sitting next to each other!!
Damn I'm too young to be this Synical!
Good idea though, there is a distinct lack of supply in the Bravo / CJ2 and XLS market at the moment, and I'm sure everyone will be flocking to use Southend once it has a fast train link. (Sarcasm!!)
No doubt the massive surge of charter demand during the Olyimpics is somewhere in the business plan too.
Oh, and as a bit of advice, if you are posting fake "articles of ineterest" one use the Ipad on 3g, the other use the laptop - hey presto, we no longer know that you are both sitting next to each other!!
Damn I'm too young to be this Synical!
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If there is a bit more capacity coming to the Market then that's great.
If these two jokers are in charge of marketing then the "city boys" would be better off putting the cash in the Halfax.
Schoolboy errors from the outset doesn't bode well for the future...
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If these two jokers are in charge of marketing then the "city boys" would be better off putting the cash in the Halfax.
Schoolboy errors from the outset doesn't bode well for the future...
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A few of the previous posters have hit the nail on the head.
Next year is going to be a big year for General Aviation especially with the London Olympics and having a plane based at an Olympic airport such as Southend or Biggin will prove to be valuable asset!*
The guys have done their research and see a gap in the market which I believe will work.
Some might say they are trying to reinvent the wheel, they believe it is because the wheel hasn't even been invented!
They see in this market, especially at the lower end that some companies are not well oiled machines ie passegeners get an inferior service, staff are treated badly! They wish to change this and good luck to them!
School boy error or honest explanation. I spoke with Encore Baby yesterday in the hotel we were sharing whilst he was on split duty - I think he's now back in the UK!
Encore was mistaken about the AoC *- this operator will piggy back on the back of another well known AoC and are in negotiations with two operators! I think once this summer is over they plan to get their own AoC - either way I think a lot of recruitment is on the way !
Next year is going to be a big year for General Aviation especially with the London Olympics and having a plane based at an Olympic airport such as Southend or Biggin will prove to be valuable asset!*
The guys have done their research and see a gap in the market which I believe will work.
Some might say they are trying to reinvent the wheel, they believe it is because the wheel hasn't even been invented!
They see in this market, especially at the lower end that some companies are not well oiled machines ie passegeners get an inferior service, staff are treated badly! They wish to change this and good luck to them!
School boy error or honest explanation. I spoke with Encore Baby yesterday in the hotel we were sharing whilst he was on split duty - I think he's now back in the UK!
Encore was mistaken about the AoC *- this operator will piggy back on the back of another well known AoC and are in negotiations with two operators! I think once this summer is over they plan to get their own AoC - either way I think a lot of recruitment is on the way !
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Probably nor related but who knows?Jet Me There | London Southend Airport
Seems fairly typical of these sort of 'new entrants'. All singing, all dancing, promise the world - but believable? Think most of us have seen this sort of thing before, and know how long they are likely to be around.
Contact details look like a small unit in Westcliff (ie nothing to do with the airport)
Seems fairly typical of these sort of 'new entrants'. All singing, all dancing, promise the world - but believable? Think most of us have seen this sort of thing before, and know how long they are likely to be around.
Contact details look like a small unit in Westcliff (ie nothing to do with the airport)
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Hi prunetowers,
I got home late last night from a long duty and wasn't surprised to see, this morning, that my rumour has already been slated. *Its a real shame that your cynicism has got in the way of a good story! *
misterT and I were sharing the same hotel wifi ip address, this will show as the same computer, I think, we both posted from lap tops sat in the hotel lobby. *I said in my original post, I was on a split duty, killing time.
I first heard the info from misterT, yesterday, not some days ago, i lied, and we both agreed that pprune was the best place to put it, though I don't know where she heard it from, she seemed to be in the know. *
We used new aliases for the obvious reason of anonymity from previous posts as neither of us wished to be identified. *The news is what it is, a rumour. *If true it would certainly be good news all round, bah humbug!
I got home late last night from a long duty and wasn't surprised to see, this morning, that my rumour has already been slated. *Its a real shame that your cynicism has got in the way of a good story! *
misterT and I were sharing the same hotel wifi ip address, this will show as the same computer, I think, we both posted from lap tops sat in the hotel lobby. *I said in my original post, I was on a split duty, killing time.
I first heard the info from misterT, yesterday, not some days ago, i lied, and we both agreed that pprune was the best place to put it, though I don't know where she heard it from, she seemed to be in the know. *
We used new aliases for the obvious reason of anonymity from previous posts as neither of us wished to be identified. *The news is what it is, a rumour. *If true it would certainly be good news all round, bah humbug!
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Please tell the boys that they cannot and will not make money from this venture; they will lose money on the purchase of the aircraft and the market rates for them on charter will no produce a return that will either give them the free flying they probably want from it, or a profit.
In a year when they haven't and they are demanding to know why it's not worked as they were told it would, please send me £1,500 for the consultancy services I have just provided.
Many thanks.
I beat Brockwell in the cynical stakes.
In a year when they haven't and they are demanding to know why it's not worked as they were told it would, please send me £1,500 for the consultancy services I have just provided.
Many thanks.
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Would someone kindly let me know who is financing these purchases and I will give them a 20% discount on my services now for future work when it all goes tits up and I have to mop up the ensuing mess.
Perhaps it will be called Gullible's Travel?
Perhaps it will be called Gullible's Travel?
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Here we go again. Some smooth talker conned a few City boys out of a few million with some great spreadsheets and a glossy Powerpoint.
Do these City boys never learn, you can't make money at the bottom end of the market. The margins are razor thin and there are plenty of unscrupulous operators that will undercut you.
You are focusing on a saturated market segment where only price matters, even the few properly run companies that exist here will beat you on price, service and trading history.
I'll give it a year. There has never been a single startup funded by City boys that has made it.
Did you tell your City boys that they are competing with operators that cut so many corners that they can get a Bravo out for a price that won't cover your finance cost? Did you tell your City boys that your are competing with operators that don't care if the plane makes any money as long as it is turned over to offset the cost to the ultimate owner? Did you tell your City boys that there are Hawker operators that have written down their assets over a decade ago and can operate for a fraction of your cost? Did you tell you City boys that on a short leg there are plenty of other options that are a heck of a lot cheaper to the punter you are aiming for?
No? Didn't think so.
Do these City boys never learn, you can't make money at the bottom end of the market. The margins are razor thin and there are plenty of unscrupulous operators that will undercut you.
You are focusing on a saturated market segment where only price matters, even the few properly run companies that exist here will beat you on price, service and trading history.
I'll give it a year. There has never been a single startup funded by City boys that has made it.
Did you tell your City boys that they are competing with operators that cut so many corners that they can get a Bravo out for a price that won't cover your finance cost? Did you tell your City boys that your are competing with operators that don't care if the plane makes any money as long as it is turned over to offset the cost to the ultimate owner? Did you tell your City boys that there are Hawker operators that have written down their assets over a decade ago and can operate for a fraction of your cost? Did you tell you City boys that on a short leg there are plenty of other options that are a heck of a lot cheaper to the punter you are aiming for?
No? Didn't think so.
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I hear what you cynics are saying, and to be quite honest I had the same concerns, heard it all before etc etc.
Thing is, I wouldn't have bothered posting this rumour if I didn't think it was a real goer! From what I can gather the city boys already back a very successful Geneva based operation in a different market and have based their business model on their current success.
They have identified a real Olympic potential. They seem to have number of clients already lined up to cover their fixed costs. They have fuel already hedged for a given pre arranged and signed flying schedule and the planes are on lease from the bank following a recent collapsed operator.
The reason for the good employee terms is that the cheif pilot (a good friend of mine) believes in looking after his best assets) .
I don't really know much else about the company yet but am happy to help where poss, I do know that the company will be looking for a good loyal hard working team to build.
Personally I am a Hawker pilot based in Europe so if this does pull off it would be great to get back to Blighty especially if they get the Hawker!
Thing is, I wouldn't have bothered posting this rumour if I didn't think it was a real goer! From what I can gather the city boys already back a very successful Geneva based operation in a different market and have based their business model on their current success.
They have identified a real Olympic potential. They seem to have number of clients already lined up to cover their fixed costs. They have fuel already hedged for a given pre arranged and signed flying schedule and the planes are on lease from the bank following a recent collapsed operator.
The reason for the good employee terms is that the cheif pilot (a good friend of mine) believes in looking after his best assets) .
I don't really know much else about the company yet but am happy to help where poss, I do know that the company will be looking for a good loyal hard working team to build.
Personally I am a Hawker pilot based in Europe so if this does pull off it would be great to get back to Blighty especially if they get the Hawker!
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Why such negativity from our readers? Surely any start up is good news for the obvious pprune audience.
Is this a Sarf End thing; 247 always get a slagging too; even though they have fed and watered quite a few families in these dark hours.
Good luck to the start up; I wish you all every possible success.
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Is this a Sarf End thing; 247 always get a slagging too; even though they have fed and watered quite a few families in these dark hours.
Good luck to the start up; I wish you all every possible success.
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Go to Southend casino and stick it all on red.
The Olympics will generate a significant amount of inbound traffic, but I can't help personally thinking that the beneficiaries are going to be any operator outside of the UK - day return, night stop for the spectators - not a lot of one ways in and out for a UK operator.
Harking back to my days of Euro 98 - lots of outbound traffic on day returns, Commonwealth Games 2002 - lots of inbound traffic on day returns. Scenario 98 - good for UK operators; Scenario 2002 - not so good for UK operators.
Can be incredibly enthusiastic and "uncynical" if you want me to be, but there was a thread on here of companies that have gone bang in the recession recently - look at what they were almost all operating. Then see if the trip to Southend Casino isn't less risky...
The Olympics will generate a significant amount of inbound traffic, but I can't help personally thinking that the beneficiaries are going to be any operator outside of the UK - day return, night stop for the spectators - not a lot of one ways in and out for a UK operator.
Harking back to my days of Euro 98 - lots of outbound traffic on day returns, Commonwealth Games 2002 - lots of inbound traffic on day returns. Scenario 98 - good for UK operators; Scenario 2002 - not so good for UK operators.
Can be incredibly enthusiastic and "uncynical" if you want me to be, but there was a thread on here of companies that have gone bang in the recession recently - look at what they were almost all operating. Then see if the trip to Southend Casino isn't less risky...
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having attended a couple of seminars on the olympics operating corporate is not going to be that easy ......
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there are a couple of Grass strips that are having the same slot restrictions as Heathrow applied for the duration of the olympics! another development is that if the slot is not recorded on the flightplan or you have missed your slot then the flightplan will be rejected by Eurocontrol.
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http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/slot%20leaflet.pdf
there are a couple of Grass strips that are having the same slot restrictions as Heathrow applied for the duration of the olympics! another development is that if the slot is not recorded on the flightplan or you have missed your slot then the flightplan will be rejected by Eurocontrol.