Need help!!!!!

[mustangbill]

Hello,

I need very urgent a job !
How can I get a job in GA at the moment?
Applied a lot, but with no result. What Type is asked at the moment or what Type could help to get a job. Have a JAR/FCL CPL frozen ATPL TT 1800 ME/SE no Jet time.
Would go everywhere !!!

Any advices or could someone help me ?

Thanks !

[unimuts]

I have over 2500 hours tt and 1000 hours jet time from the corporate industry and now 3 years unemployed. Advice is simple in the business world, its who you know, buying a type to quickly get a job, just wont work, just like buying a 737 or a320 rating without the hours on type.

Lears, gulfstream, C604 and 605, hawkers are all great ratings to have, but no time on type wont get you anywhere.

Keep asking and keep trying, and best of luck.

[hawker750]

Get a job in the ops department of a smallish AOC company and get your face known. When flying jobs come up in these small companies it is usually at very short notice and being on the spot will put you in a good position because small companies do not have the time and resourses to advertise and recruit and normally like to take the line of least resistance. All our pilots (Co-pilots and Captains) started this way with my company and all with about 250 hours TT. Do something pro-active and stop thinking you will be offered the job you want by just writing CV's. If you are thinking of buying a type rating, virtually the guaranteed way of getting a job is to get the type rating and then get a job in ops. The problem with inexperienced low time pilots is the huge amount of line/orientation training it takes to make them productive, time in the office hugely cuts this time down.Working in ops produces a very good aircraft operator. Ask any aviation company; most pilots can be good pilots but not all are good pilots and good operators. The added benefit is that these pilots do not whinge and shout at ops staff when things go wrong down route!!

[Crashdriver]

I agree with Hawker, I'm with my company now just cause I happened to be in the right place at the right time. Get in at some company doing anything then keep an eye out for openings.

[BizJetJockey]

Yeah agreed...I know a coupe of companies that offer this as a way of entry into the right hand seat of one of their jets. Call it an apprenticeship of sorts. Personally I worked in operations at a flying club for two years before being offered my first job and that was through the people I had met at the flying club as a number of members were airline and corporate pilots. I wouldn't change that experience for the world. I learned so much and made such good friends. The corporate side of things is so different that getting good experience in ops is a sure fire way to make a successful start and you will learn how much respect ops deserve. Go and visit some companies and see if they have any jobs in ops...then maybe after a year or two they might be willing to pay for your TR and Bob's your Uncle...you're in!! Corporate is a much more personal affair so you need to get to know these people and build up trust...from my experience, it is pretty tough securing a job unless the people you are applying to actually have an idea of who you are and know that you are trustworthy and a decent guy/gal to operate with!! All the best and keep at it...it is well worth the effort!! P.S. Try looking further afield to places such as Africa, the Middle East and Asia!!

[hawker750]

Mustangbill
You should be getting the message by now. I have never asked any pilot to pay for their own type rating, nor have I ever bonded anyone. For small companies to invest in the cost of a TR they have to be prety sure the "face fits". Small companies are just that and everyone has to get on with everyone. To pay a lot of money for a "misfit" or somebody who has personal problems or fowl habits can be an expensive mistake. Working in operations is like a "trial period" but a period of hugely advantageous training.

[Joe le Taxi]

fowl habits

Oh gawd, yes - a bloke at my old place - when he talked about birds, he wasn't talking about women - didn't want to ask what he got up to at the weekend - something to do with ducks. Never can tell.

[cessnagirl]

Low timers

AS Quoted by Hawker 750

"The problem with inexperienced low time pilots is the huge amount of line/orientation training it takes to make them productive, time in the office hugely cuts this time down.Working in ops produces a very good aircraft operator. Ask any aviation company; most pilots can be good pilots but not all are good pilots and good operators. The added benefit is that these pilots do not whinge and shout at ops staff when things go wrong down route!! "

That may be the case. It's very difficult to gain any sort of an opportunity. I'm a low hours Pilot with years of valuable Ops experience and that's just a drop in the ocean compared to what else I have to offer. Sadly, nobody can see past this which is the same for many others like myself out there. Can't get experience without a job and can't get a job without experience, it's a catch 22 situation!

I'd be interested in anything. Even safety pilot would do.

[INNflight]

The corporate side of things is so different that getting good experience in ops is a sure fire way to make a successful start and you will learn how much respect ops deserve. Go and visit some companies and see if they have any jobs in ops...then maybe after a year or two they might be willing to pay for your TR and Bob's your Uncle...you're in!!

Best advice in this thread. Just hoping it holds up.

Cheers from (your?) dispatch

[BizJetJockey]

As long as the hotels are good, I'll stick to my word!!