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Old 17th Nov 2011, 15:24
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Shame on Rocketroute

Today a huge part of EU airspace was changed. New waypoint, new routes. I have tried to plan my flight via Rocketroute, online planning service (an expensive one) and they did not reflext the change at all.

Another online paid service, Eurofpl, did not performed much better. They offered download of EU ATS maps, BUT these were also obsolete.
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 16:59
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Are those changes in the current AIRAC cycle or the upcoming one?
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Today a huge part of EU airspace was changed
In a way you're shooting the messenger there. It would help of those twats in Brussels were more forthcoming in disseminating this rather basic information, rather than treating it as a fuсking State secret. Just saying.
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t would help of those twats in Brussels were more forthcoming in disseminating this rather basic information, rather than treating it as a fuсking State secret.
Do they really do that? Just asking, I mean I never know the providers like Jeppesen had time machines, delivering their 'feared' envelopes ("revisions & amendments") usually days before the changes become effective....
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 23:08
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Rocketroute, online planning service (an expensive one)

I don't agree.. €120 for a year is extremely good value for what they provide.
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Rocket Route is brilliant for the price you pay!
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 07:51
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Surely they'll update their routings pretty quickly/soon? No?
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 08:16
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Originally Posted by His dudeness
Do they really do that?
Yes, I'm afraid they do. As a practical exercise, try getting that info directly from Eurocontrol rather than going through Jeppessen. Repeat exercise with FAA data for comparison.

If OP feels RR is expensive, why didn't he use Jeppessen to start with? Possible reasons: even more $$$, clunkier, just as inaccurate in other ways (e.g., terrain, airport data--the latter not necessarily their fault). And that's with the whole weight of Boeing behind it.

Small providers are doing what they can to provide a better service at the miserable price that most people are willing to pay, and Eurocontrol are actively attempting to thwart their efforts at every single step, instead of cooperating as they should.

Can't blame the OP for feeling he's not getting his money's worth, but the fault lies entirely elsewhere.

And for the record, I'm neither of the referenced providers
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Surely there is a difference between the FAA and Eurocontrol. After all Euroncontrol is just the head unit, and all the single national ATC providers do cook their own soup.

That the users have to pay for the info is a bad thing, thats for sure, but that is if I´m not wrong, part of the subscription cost of all flight prep programms I know. A lot buy their information from e.g. LIDO at skyhigh costs and then distribute the costs among their clients.
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Surely there is a difference between the FAA and Eurocontrol.
I don't think I could possibly argue with you there.

After all Euroncontrol is just the head unit, and all the single national ATC providers do cook their own soup.
Yes, no, and maybe. Then throw a little bit of EASA in the mix and things start getting complicated. A discussion for another day.

That the users have to pay for the info is a bad thing, thats for sure, but that is if I´m not wrong, part of the subscription cost of all flight prep programms I know.
I don't know where RR or EuroFPL get their data from, but last time I checked Eurocontrol's fees schedule, there was no way in hell a GA-oriented solution could afford them.

A lot buy their information from e.g. LIDO at skyhigh costs and then distribute the costs among their clients.
As above, if you want to reach the lower end of the GA market that will not work.
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