The shortest runway you have ever landed wth jet?
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A Falcon 50 has used the 760m (2,490 ft) crosswind strip here (OXF/EGTK). Another Falcon 50 has been into Sywell with 1000m LDA.
Carrying the same pax, fuel for same min fuel reserves (NBAA IFR reserves) and all else being equal, best biz jets for landing performance (in order, and taking no account of thrust reversers) are:
Old Citation C550s
Citation Mustang
Falcon 50
A318 !!!!
Global 5000
GLEX
Hawker 700
Citation Sovereign
Lineage 1000
Gulfstream V/500/550
A319
Citation V/Ultra
Hawker 750/800/850/900
Dornier 328
Challenger 300
EMB Legacy
BBJ1 !!!
Falcon 7x
Citation CJ4
Those big jets have nice big carbon brakes, Hawkers have barn-door type flaps and lift dump and ancient bullet-proof maxaret brakes.
Worse jets for landing performance on above basis are:
Gulfstream IV
Premier IIA
Lear 60
Premier IA
Beechjet / Hawker 400
Excel / XLS
Challenger 601
Citation X
Falcon 2000
Gulfstream 450
On a 'WET' runway, an Airbus A318 requires 1,750ft less runway than a Lear 60 when at lowest weights!!!
Carrying the same pax, fuel for same min fuel reserves (NBAA IFR reserves) and all else being equal, best biz jets for landing performance (in order, and taking no account of thrust reversers) are:
Old Citation C550s
Citation Mustang
Falcon 50
A318 !!!!
Global 5000
GLEX
Hawker 700
Citation Sovereign
Lineage 1000
Gulfstream V/500/550
A319
Citation V/Ultra
Hawker 750/800/850/900
Dornier 328
Challenger 300
EMB Legacy
BBJ1 !!!
Falcon 7x
Citation CJ4
Those big jets have nice big carbon brakes, Hawkers have barn-door type flaps and lift dump and ancient bullet-proof maxaret brakes.
Worse jets for landing performance on above basis are:
Gulfstream IV
Premier IIA
Lear 60
Premier IA
Beechjet / Hawker 400
Excel / XLS
Challenger 601
Citation X
Falcon 2000
Gulfstream 450
On a 'WET' runway, an Airbus A318 requires 1,750ft less runway than a Lear 60 when at lowest weights!!!
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Not quite in a jet but I've always been proud to say that I learnt to fly on 416m X 9m. Soloed before 10hrs too. 
I now fly out of 4000m X 60m. 
Nothing like landing on the numbers and then realising you've 3km to taxi. 
I now fly out of 4000m X 60m. Nothing like landing on the numbers and then realising you've 3km to taxi.
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Not quite in a jet but I've always been proud to say that I learnt to fly on 416m X 9m. Soloed before 10hrs too. I now fly out of 4000m X 60m. Nothing like landing on the numbers and then realising you've 3km to taxi.
I recognise those numbers...eicn... never been a jet in there, but I hear a skyvan did it...
I recognise those numbers...eicn... never been a jet in there, but I hear a skyvan did it...
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TNCS Saba, Neth.Antilles, 396m...
396m! TNCS, Saba on the Netherlands upper Antilles, Caribbean. Did a couple of landings here, real short and next to a cliff, really impressive! My landings were easy with a Lynx helicopter 
, but Winair executes regular flights with a DCH-6 Twin Otter.
, but Winair executes regular flights with a DCH-6 Twin Otter.
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Landing with the CJ3, runway has 900m. Stopping distance was around 500/550m and we had 4 pax on board, if I remember correctly
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SBJR - Jacarepagua
Landing with the CJ3, runway has 900m. Stopping distance was around 500/550m and we had 4 pax on board, if I remember correctly
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Citation CJ3 @ SBJR - YouTube
Landing with the CJ3, runway has 900m. Stopping distance was around 500/550m and we had 4 pax on board, if I remember correctly
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Citation CJ3 @ SBJR - YouTube
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Arrived at Luton last night following an Atlantic crossing in one of the aircraft you mention as the worst landing performance.
With 7000 pounds (2 hours) of fuel remaining, our unfactored (part 91/Dry) landing distance required was 2700 ft....
8 degrees C, and 8 knots of wind from 80 degrees off rwy heading.
Arrived at Luton last night following an Atlantic crossing in one of the aircraft you mention as the worst landing performance.
With 7000 pounds (2 hours) of fuel remaining, our unfactored (part 91/Dry) landing distance required was 2700 ft....
8 degrees C, and 8 knots of wind from 80 degrees off rwy heading.
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Oh, there's plenty of jets that can get into a 2700 ft field...it's just been my experience that most pilots pass them up, or the boss says it's a no go.
Evidence of single pilot captains, being allowed to squeeze into a tight runway with the boss in the back is not going to be forthcoming on this forum...certainly makes for good stories though. Welcome to the internet, where bull**** is king.
Evidence of single pilot captains, being allowed to squeeze into a tight runway with the boss in the back is not going to be forthcoming on this forum...certainly makes for good stories though. Welcome to the internet, where bull**** is king.
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A citation used to live at Elstree. 600 Mtrs. They even installed a jet a1 pump to fill it up. I was there one evening trying to fly, there was an almighty noise and it crashed.
It tried to go round, decided it was a bad idea, and just stopped dead in the middle of the runway. The tires were burst and the wings bulging on top where the uc had pushed through and the tail cone was bent where it had hit the ground.
It was vp registered and rumoured to be public transport. I wandered over once it had all calmed down in a suit and they thought I was the caa which given their reaction was quite funny. Great flurry of paperwork. They looked very guilty. it took 12 hours to get a crane and remove it.
Short field. It works but watch out!
EDIT FOLLOWING PM
To clarify following a PM with the comment below. The a/c applied power to seek to arrest the decent as opposed to go around. The dents in the wings were merely my recolection of something that happend some 10 years ago, but happy to stand corrected. Lifting kit was bought in from Biggin to jack it up not crane it. ATC just said lifting kit so I assumed that they meant they craned it off. Finally rumours are just rumours and flying clubs bars all have a view. There was no desire to be inaccurate. I was about 100ft from it what it happened.
My only purpose in posting was to point out that the bravado of short field in a jet is all well and good, but it can go wrong.
It tried to go round, decided it was a bad idea, and just stopped dead in the middle of the runway. The tires were burst and the wings bulging on top where the uc had pushed through and the tail cone was bent where it had hit the ground.
It was vp registered and rumoured to be public transport. I wandered over once it had all calmed down in a suit and they thought I was the caa which given their reaction was quite funny. Great flurry of paperwork. They looked very guilty. it took 12 hours to get a crane and remove it.
Short field. It works but watch out!
EDIT FOLLOWING PM
To clarify following a PM with the comment below. The a/c applied power to seek to arrest the decent as opposed to go around. The dents in the wings were merely my recolection of something that happend some 10 years ago, but happy to stand corrected. Lifting kit was bought in from Biggin to jack it up not crane it. ATC just said lifting kit so I assumed that they meant they craned it off. Finally rumours are just rumours and flying clubs bars all have a view. There was no desire to be inaccurate. I was about 100ft from it what it happened.
My only purpose in posting was to point out that the bravado of short field in a jet is all well and good, but it can go wrong.
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What you have written here is almost completely untrue. There was never the intention to go around. It was being flown by a pilot who was not as familiar with the aircraft as he should have been. It was fully fuelled at Cranfield, flown to Elstree (heavy), airbrakes extended close to the ground and it dropped onto the end of the runway causing serious damage. There was no wing damage (UC pushed up?) but the flaps did contact the runway and suffered damage. There was no crane, it was jacked up, new wheels fitted and towed off. It was privately operated, not public transport.
However you did get a few things right, it was at Elstree, they did install a Jet A1 pump, and you did have a suit on.
If you are going to relate a story do get the facts right.
However you did get a few things right, it was at Elstree, they did install a Jet A1 pump, and you did have a suit on.
If you are going to relate a story do get the facts right.
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160m if I recall
No vertical landings/take-offs but rolling vertical landings (RVLs) and 'normal' short take-offs
Nowadays, maybe a tad more required
No vertical landings/take-offs but rolling vertical landings (RVLs) and 'normal' short take-offs
Nowadays, maybe a tad more required
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Hey Hung Start, why the jet into Turkey Creek?? I have driven through there twice in the last month and there's not much there! Who do you fly for? Sounds like you get to do some great trips! Cheers
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@rustywings: there is a 400A stationed at our homebase (3323LDA & 3694ft TODA)
Even braver (IMO) are the dudes flying the 35A without T/Rs, also stationed there.
There is also 2 CL300īs, 3 560XLs and a handful of CJs at the field. Regurlar service by DO328 TPs...and they have been the only ones to make the headlines...one 328 was trashed follwoing a long landing. Also a C22 was unable to stop within the runway lately.
@jrudge: as you can see from above, it has nothing to do with the way your airplane is driven. If the numbers fit and one can fly them, it usually works fine.
Even braver (IMO) are the dudes flying the 35A without T/Rs, also stationed there.
There is also 2 CL300īs, 3 560XLs and a handful of CJs at the field. Regurlar service by DO328 TPs...and they have been the only ones to make the headlines...one 328 was trashed follwoing a long landing. Also a C22 was unable to stop within the runway lately.
@jrudge: as you can see from above, it has nothing to do with the way your airplane is driven. If the numbers fit and one can fly them, it usually works fine.
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the shortest runway
During the late 90,s i flew regular flts into EDLN in the BAe146-200 it was a Captain only landing and if wet some serious number crunching was required.ATR42 went in but i think the 146 was the largest to get in,runway length 3937ft with a raised autobahn just off the northern end
Last edited by Vivabeaver; 14th Nov 2011 at 11:49. Reason: forgot to put runway length