Private Operators and Ops1
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Private Operators and Ops1
As Private Operators of Bizjets, have you received a demand from your Aviation Authorities to produce Operator Manuals and Regulations before next year ?
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No, not yet. Have you?
Edit: just talked to the german Authority, they said that the rule should be made public on April 1st 2011, with a deadline of implementation on April 1st 2012.
Thats apparently what EASA plans, wether this will be done I don´t know...
Edit: just talked to the german Authority, they said that the rule should be made public on April 1st 2011, with a deadline of implementation on April 1st 2012.
Thats apparently what EASA plans, wether this will be done I don´t know...
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Yep ! We received this request last fall from our Authorities with the same deadline.
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Which authority is that? Is this some new EASA stuff or will it affect everybody?
To my knowledge it will affect everybody, even non EU registred Operators based in the EU... Thats what their objective pages says:
3. Objective:
To develop rules for the implementation of the extended Basic Regulation as regards air operations. These implementing rules should encompass requirements and related acceptable means of compliance/guidance material for:
• commercial air transport, based on existing EU-OPS/JAR-OPS 1 and 3 requirements;
• aerial work using as appropriate the draft of JAR-OPS 4;
• non-commercial operations with complex motor-powered aircraft using as appropriate the draft of JAR-OPS 2;
• non-commercial operations with non-complex motor-powered aircraft using as appropriate the input fromtask MDM.032;
• flight time limitations, based on EU-OPS;
• training and medical fitness of cabin crew, based on JAR-OPS 1/EU-OPS;
• competent authorities based on appropriate JAA JIP’s and harmonised with similar provisions included in other implementing rules.
In realitas, there is one big rulebook and each paragraph is marked either CAT, COM or GEN...IIRC CAT means Commercial Air Transport, COM is for COMplex Aircraft and GEN for GENeral... GEN would more or less be what you know as rules of the air, the basic stuff..
So if your enjoying yourself in a C152 you´d follow the rules laid down in GEN, if your carrying your boss in a non AOCed Citation you'd follow GEN and COM and if your making big bucks as an air taxi chauffeur you follow GEN and CAT.
Hope I did not mix it up...
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Many Thx Your Dudeness !!
Nice explanations.
Whichever country it is does not matter (I'm afraid we are not that many Private in our and the boss would not appreciate any free add campaign)
Anyway, it looks that we (Europeans) will all be concerned with this lost of flexibility and freedom.
I understand that we appear as a kind of grey area for Authorities and they would be more than happy should everybody works with NJt, Vista or Tag.
I think that a bit of consultation could help and prevent us from buying right away the Ops1.
Because, what would come next then ? FDM and phone calls from FSO when you are not stabilized at 999ft ?
Nice explanations.
Whichever country it is does not matter (I'm afraid we are not that many Private in our and the boss would not appreciate any free add campaign)
Anyway, it looks that we (Europeans) will all be concerned with this lost of flexibility and freedom.
I understand that we appear as a kind of grey area for Authorities and they would be more than happy should everybody works with NJt, Vista or Tag.
I think that a bit of consultation could help and prevent us from buying right away the Ops1.
Because, what would come next then ? FDM and phone calls from FSO when you are not stabilized at 999ft ?
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"At last, a nearly level playing field for licensed charter operators. This should have happened years ago."
Well, if they are licensed then they are playing on the same field or if Authorities are giving rooms for non-european regulated Operators, unfairly competing with yours, that's just because of their inefficiencies.
We are here talking about Privates, wether they are competing or not with AOCed is not the deal. We are talking about Employers buying jets to go to work across Europe as you are using your car to go n work across the Shire.
And we gonna tell them to sell their tools, sack their drivers and go AirbizJet.
Just because Authorities are scared by shops without any incident report for the last 25 years.
Privates are a far cry from slavery, flying way less than low cost airlines and having way more resting time... but not on a rigid Ops1 schedule.
So, if some of Private Operators are already brainstorming on that kind of demand, please pm
Well, if they are licensed then they are playing on the same field or if Authorities are giving rooms for non-european regulated Operators, unfairly competing with yours, that's just because of their inefficiencies.
We are here talking about Privates, wether they are competing or not with AOCed is not the deal. We are talking about Employers buying jets to go to work across Europe as you are using your car to go n work across the Shire.
And we gonna tell them to sell their tools, sack their drivers and go AirbizJet.
Just because Authorities are scared by shops without any incident report for the last 25 years.
Privates are a far cry from slavery, flying way less than low cost airlines and having way more resting time... but not on a rigid Ops1 schedule.
So, if some of Private Operators are already brainstorming on that kind of demand, please pm
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We are talking about Employers buying jets to go to work across Europe as you are using your car to go n work across the Shire.
And we gonna tell them to sell their tools, sack their drivers and go AirbizJet.
Just because Authorities are scared by shops without any incident report for the last 25 years.
And we gonna tell them to sell their tools, sack their drivers and go AirbizJet.
Just because Authorities are scared by shops without any incident report for the last 25 years.
We Europeans will not stop making regulations (not limited to aviation) before we are dead. A dreadful way to ruin what is a good idea (US of E)
Somehow I have the feeling we have lost the ability to use common sense and the brainy thing in our heads.
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Is there also truth behind the rumour that N reg aeroplance will cease to exist being based in europe with these regulations.....eg no more single pilot jet ops?
There should be guys around here to answer this, I fly D - registrated...
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Yes Dudeness,
I cant understand why it has gone on this long here anyway......many N reg aircraft in europe have only ever been in the states to be built. as far as I know you cannot base a european aircraft in America permanently....so why should we? (I may be wrong and accept any corrections)
I cant understand why it has gone on this long here anyway......many N reg aircraft in europe have only ever been in the states to be built. as far as I know you cannot base a european aircraft in America permanently....so why should we? (I may be wrong and accept any corrections)
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Biz inmate, there is no law in the states precluding non N reg residing in the US.
But why would you even do this when N makes a whole lot more sense.
Slowly the berucratic lifestyle will catch up and when there is no more non EU around you will start fighting amongst yourselves.
But why would you even do this when N makes a whole lot more sense.
Slowly the berucratic lifestyle will catch up and when there is no more non EU around you will start fighting amongst yourselves.
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We already started as if you do not report your colleague for an unstable approach at 1000ft, then you'll get the axe with him...
What a nice atmosphere in flightdecks and galleys !
Welcome in the wonderful Ops1world, ruled by Airlines Insurance company's Lawyers and Shrinks...
What a nice atmosphere in flightdecks and galleys !
Welcome in the wonderful Ops1world, ruled by Airlines Insurance company's Lawyers and Shrinks...
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Ok...so back on topic then: Is this somehow related to the debate that has been going on about Non-European licensed pilots domiciled in Europe that they want to prevent - or is this a separate issue? It sounds a bit far fetched that a small private operator need to jump through all that bureaucracy without an added safety benefit.
But then again, after jumping through all the hoops with the carbon trading scheme the three-huggers dreamt up, the narrow minded vote collectors endorsed and the AOC guys conveniently lobbied their way out of, nothing surprises me anymore.
Wouldn't it be nice if they just published a book once a year with all the regulations in it....in readable English. But that would probably be too American
But then again, after jumping through all the hoops with the carbon trading scheme the three-huggers dreamt up, the narrow minded vote collectors endorsed and the AOC guys conveniently lobbied their way out of, nothing surprises me anymore.
Wouldn't it be nice if they just published a book once a year with all the regulations in it....in readable English. But that would probably be too American
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I'm afraid that on behalf of the noble concept of Flight Safety, they'll take advantage to get rid off N-reged ACF. Ok, that's one thing but N is a spit away from M... 
Of course it's good to set some limitations but as far as I'm concerned, I'm way more relaxed flying 400 unregulated corporate hours than 897 regulated commercial ones per annum !!
Then, Authorities will be again crying Mom that they did not collect any big buck doing so.
But we will be engaged in the process and probably then have to go the whole hog.
Of course it's good to set some limitations but as far as I'm concerned, I'm way more relaxed flying 400 unregulated corporate hours than 897 regulated commercial ones per annum !!
Then, Authorities will be again crying Mom that they did not collect any big buck doing so.
But we will be engaged in the process and probably then have to go the whole hog.
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Seems like time for a non profit organisation to be formed by the private biz jet operators in Europe, with the expertise contained within all the individual operators, producing Op's manuals and all the other documentation required would be relatively easy, also a collective voice for some of the unfair proposals and accusations.
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Taxe issues take even less than a spit, just a "click"
Without setting up any controversy, I see Manx as being more Private friendly than other EASA Authorities but I can be wrong.
It could be The Solution but having words arround LBG, they tried 20 years ago and that was more than a waste as a "non-profit-organization"... some bigwig took over and after a couple of lunches... 
Nowadays, there is a real pitfall to come, don't know if we could put asside personnal considerations on that one...
There's an EBACE to come and it could be time to emulate a trend..?
Or at least find some means of concertation.
First question is : How many Privates are we ?
Without setting up any controversy, I see Manx as being more Private friendly than other EASA Authorities but I can be wrong.
Seems like time for a non profit organisation to be formed by the private biz jet operators in Europe
That would be IAOPA then?
That would be IAOPA then?
Nowadays, there is a real pitfall to come, don't know if we could put asside personnal considerations on that one...
There's an EBACE to come and it could be time to emulate a trend..?
Or at least find some means of concertation.
First question is : How many Privates are we ?