Operators who dont reply to an application.
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Operators who dont reply to an application.
My son who is out of work has applied to 2 operaters who are based in Europe. in response to their advertisements for pilot positions. He has not yet received a response, from applications, inspite of indications they would respond.
I think there should be as name and shame list of operators, who are too arrogant to even acknowledge an application. This may assist applicants to weed out the arrogant from the compasionate, when the job market picks up.
I will tee off.
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I think there should be as name and shame list of operators, who are too arrogant to even acknowledge an application. This may assist applicants to weed out the arrogant from the compasionate, when the job market picks up.
I will tee off.
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Probably because he needs his mother to sort things out 
But seriously most operators only contact suitable candidates due to the sheer workload of applications. And having seen the lists of candidates received I can agree
But seriously most operators only contact suitable candidates due to the sheer workload of applications. And having seen the lists of candidates received I can agree
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How old is your son and why is he getting his mother to do his work? True or not this is very weird!
In an ideal world all qualified applicants would be acknowledged. In reality it often doesn't happen. Get over it and move on! Did your son meet the requirements and did he apply in the correct format?
TAG is a good employer as the vast majority of pilots would attest.
What a bizarre thread!!??
How old is your son and why is he getting his mother to do his work? True or not this is very weird!
In an ideal world all qualified applicants would be acknowledged. In reality it often doesn't happen. Get over it and move on! Did your son meet the requirements and did he apply in the correct format?
TAG is a good employer as the vast majority of pilots would attest.
What a bizarre thread!!??
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I must say that I do have a certain amount of sympathy for Mrs Johnson and her son. It is just common courtesy to send a reply; even if negative when someone makes an application for a job. In these days of email; it does not take long just to drop someone a line; but it seems that some companies dont even have the decentcy to do this.
My advice to Mrs Johnson and her son is not to give up and continue the search for employment.
My advice to Mrs Johnson and her son is not to give up and continue the search for employment.
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TAG replied to me - they have an online application system so unless you are trying to circumvent it, can't see why you wouldn't get a response.
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I have an idea! If pilots stopped applying for jobs when they don't meet the requirements, sending CV's when they are not asked for, or turning up without an appointment for a chat then maybe the people dealing with the applications would have enough time to reply. Alternatively they could knock a few grand off the salary on offer so that someone could be employed to send "thanks, but no thanks emails".
You think you are doing someone some sort of favour by sending your CV? It's not a sodding dinner party, don't expect thank you letters.
You think you are doing someone some sort of favour by sending your CV? It's not a sodding dinner party, don't expect thank you letters.
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Having been on both sides of the coin I can tell you that if/when i send an application, I know it is another piece of paper on a mountain. I have come to expect that it will either mature into a job or get lost in the post/email ether and nothing in between. If I do get a response I am simply surprised and nothing more.
I know how challenging it is for recruiters and I also know how frustrating it is for candidates.
When young and unemployed I estimate I applied to over 800 companies world wide and received maybe 50 responses. Not typical I know as I took a very unscientific approach to applications, but that's life.
I know how challenging it is for recruiters and I also know how frustrating it is for candidates.
When young and unemployed I estimate I applied to over 800 companies world wide and received maybe 50 responses. Not typical I know as I took a very unscientific approach to applications, but that's life.
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Mrs Johnson does say that the operators "indicated that they would respond" - and that is completely different from the standard brick wall approach.
TAG are actually very good - I used the online format and got the standard "thanks for coming" approach so I circumvented the system completely and managed (without internal assistance) to get my CV onto the Chief Pilot's desk - I certainly got a response then, as HR wrote to me and rebuked me in a "School Mistress Domantrix" kind of way for outsmarting the system - "there is an online system you know"
I have been on both sides too. Most operators do not respond if you do not match their criteria, especially if you send an application in hardcopy by overland/air mail and it hasn't been asked for. On the other hand if it is asked for and it is electronic you tend to get an automated response at least, and on the odd occasion even a personal "thanks for coming" response - and on the very very very odd occasion you even get invited for interview.
In my last job we advertised for a Capt's position and said we would Type Rate the successful applicant (Yikes!) - we got in excess of 200 applicants ranging from the newly qualified with 200hrs to the newly made redundant with 25,000hrs - we responded to every single applicant and about 6 said "Thank you" for replying - "No, thank you", "No, I insist, Thank You" - alot of work - it made us feel better but didn't gain us anything because we didn't employ anyone in the end.
Mrs Johnson - It doesn't matter whether its aviation or any other business, I am afraid rarely does anyone respond to an application, even if they say they intend to. I wish you and you son good luck with the job hunt - go get them with the Brolly and Handbag treatment
TAG are actually very good - I used the online format and got the standard "thanks for coming" approach so I circumvented the system completely and managed (without internal assistance) to get my CV onto the Chief Pilot's desk - I certainly got a response then, as HR wrote to me and rebuked me in a "School Mistress Domantrix" kind of way for outsmarting the system - "there is an online system you know"
I have been on both sides too. Most operators do not respond if you do not match their criteria, especially if you send an application in hardcopy by overland/air mail and it hasn't been asked for. On the other hand if it is asked for and it is electronic you tend to get an automated response at least, and on the odd occasion even a personal "thanks for coming" response - and on the very very very odd occasion you even get invited for interview.
In my last job we advertised for a Capt's position and said we would Type Rate the successful applicant (Yikes!) - we got in excess of 200 applicants ranging from the newly qualified with 200hrs to the newly made redundant with 25,000hrs - we responded to every single applicant and about 6 said "Thank you" for replying - "No, thank you", "No, I insist, Thank You" - alot of work - it made us feel better but didn't gain us anything because we didn't employ anyone in the end.
Mrs Johnson - It doesn't matter whether its aviation or any other business, I am afraid rarely does anyone respond to an application, even if they say they intend to. I wish you and you son good luck with the job hunt - go get them with the Brolly and Handbag treatment
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When young and unemployed I estimate I applied to over 800 companies world wide and received maybe 50 responses.
Beats sending two and have your mother complain on Pprune
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Alternatively they could knock a few grand off the salary on offer so that someone could be employed to send "thanks, but no thanks emails".
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Just 2 applications and the world is over!! I sent maybe thousands and only got a fraction back. I wish it only took 2 applications to get a reply and a job. Not to dishearten your son, but there are thousands of Pilots out there all trying to get a job, and some have been waiting years just to land one, I've been waiting 10 years myself but still looking and applying. You need thick skin in this business or you may as well look at doing something else. HR departments probably receive 100s of emails daily, and the process is to sort and pick out the applicants with the most experience generally or specific experience on the type of aircraft a company may operate. They haven't got the manpower to respond to all those that didn't meet their requirements. Infact most companies state that if you don't get a response take it that you have been unsucessful this time round, as if they really wanted your son he would have received a response very swiftly. I think you're doing your son more harm than good by naming and shaming companies that don't reply. No doubt they'll know who your son is when they do a quick check on applications a lot of Chief Pilots responsible for hiring read a lot of the comments here, all they need to do is look up anyone with the last name Johnson (if that's his real surname) and will be able to deduct who your son is. I'm assuming he's a young lad by the fact you posted on his behalf, he should have really done so himself. I sympahise with you as aviation is a costly business and this could be reason for his/your frustration in not getting responses. He just needs to carry on applying and maybe calling up HR departments, and one day hopefully soon, the answer will be yes pop in for an interview.
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I do have some sympathy, as in pretty much any other industry, you could expect a reply to each application. Sadly not in aviation!
This industry is full of wannabes who are so desperate to get a seat in the front of an aircraft, that all normal employment 'rules' are off. They pay for a type rating; worse, they pay to actually work. They apply for jobs that they are not qualified for, or don't have the experience for etc etc. Would you reply to 1000 applications, even when 980 of them blatantly don't meet the stated minimum requirements? Probably not.
Don't get me wrong, we've probably all applied for jobs where we didn't meet the stated minimum requirement - I certainly have, but I wasn't too surprised or upset when I didn't receive a reply.
I'm sorry to say, this industry is f****d up and normal economics don't apply. If I wasn't in it already, I certainly wouldn't join it now.
This industry is full of wannabes who are so desperate to get a seat in the front of an aircraft, that all normal employment 'rules' are off. They pay for a type rating; worse, they pay to actually work. They apply for jobs that they are not qualified for, or don't have the experience for etc etc. Would you reply to 1000 applications, even when 980 of them blatantly don't meet the stated minimum requirements? Probably not.
Don't get me wrong, we've probably all applied for jobs where we didn't meet the stated minimum requirement - I certainly have, but I wasn't too surprised or upset when I didn't receive a reply.
I'm sorry to say, this industry is f****d up and normal economics don't apply. If I wasn't in it already, I certainly wouldn't join it now.
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Not wanting to bark up the same tree here as I too have sent hundreds, but even outside of aviation it is very uncommon to receive replies these days.
It's just down to the market. If they are desperate to hire people, you'll get responses. At the moment they are not.
BTW: I am still not sure whether we're being trolled or not....
It's just down to the market. If they are desperate to hire people, you'll get responses. At the moment they are not.
BTW: I am still not sure whether we're being trolled or not....
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100% sure we are being trolled by a guy who hates the fact that he is not getting a response and hence plays his mother 
But that is the joy of bulletin boards
But that is the joy of bulletin boards
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I think Phil has hit the nail on the head.
If you get an interview then it's a different kettle of fish; but if you're punting after stuff you are in no way qualified for and expect someone to reply then sorry - but it's just not how the industry works. What are the indications that they would respond?!
Aside from that, applying to two operators...he's not picky is he?!
If you get an interview then it's a different kettle of fish; but if you're punting after stuff you are in no way qualified for and expect someone to reply then sorry - but it's just not how the industry works. What are the indications that they would respond?!
Aside from that, applying to two operators...he's not picky is he?!
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Phil Brockwells attitude sums up the sorry state of this business to me, who wants to work for a guy like that? I get the impression he runs one of the better outfits........??
In a couple of years he may well be gagging for a few CVs to drop through his door.
In the past I know guys picked up jobs they really didn't expect to get just by sending lots of CVs.
Anyway the kid is getting an accurate picture of what to expect....toss all!
In a couple of years he may well be gagging for a few CVs to drop through his door.
In the past I know guys picked up jobs they really didn't expect to get just by sending lots of CVs.
Anyway the kid is getting an accurate picture of what to expect....toss all!
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Mrs Johnson Is aged 60 on her profile so son unlikely to be a 18 yr old kid but possible.
Then you have to question how she knows about pprune unless her son already posts here. If he posts here why not place the question himself?
Phil Brockwell watch what you say I know a pilot whos wife is built like a tank, has a temper like a volatile volcano and wields a studded handbag. Half Irish Half Scottish not one to cross! Known for crushing nuts with her bare hands
So a nice reply saying how you wish him all the best in his chosen career bla bla bla just incase he has a Mother like Olive
You can even churn a few hundred out on the photocopier ready to go!!! You get pretty angry wives as well as mothers or are the wives really Mothers?
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Then you have to question how she knows about pprune unless her son already posts here. If he posts here why not place the question himself?
Phil Brockwell watch what you say I know a pilot whos wife is built like a tank, has a temper like a volatile volcano and wields a studded handbag. Half Irish Half Scottish not one to cross! Known for crushing nuts with her bare hands
So a nice reply saying how you wish him all the best in his chosen career bla bla bla just incase he has a Mother like Olive
You can even churn a few hundred out on the photocopier ready to go!!! You get pretty angry wives as well as mothers or are the wives really Mothers?Pace
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Mrs Johnson, I am a wife of an unemployed Pilot and if your son expects to get a response well he might want to think of choosing a different industry to work in.
I read these forums as often as I can, and have a good giggle and a right moan on some of them, but the one thing that I have noticed is that the guys on this site tell it how it is, be it the good the bad or the ugly.
I watch my husbad fill in application after application, and he still persevers, as I am sure so many other unemployed pilots do.
So if you son has only sent out 2 applications tell him to man up move out and get on with his life and if he has a wife and children then my thoughts go out to them because I know what it is like to be the Pilots Wife
I read these forums as often as I can, and have a good giggle and a right moan on some of them, but the one thing that I have noticed is that the guys on this site tell it how it is, be it the good the bad or the ugly.
I watch my husbad fill in application after application, and he still persevers, as I am sure so many other unemployed pilots do.
So if you son has only sent out 2 applications tell him to man up move out and get on with his life and if he has a wife and children then my thoughts go out to them because I know what it is like to be the Pilots Wife