Cheap type rating for Citation XLS???
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Define cheap?
OTOH, a 'cheap' rating could cost you dearly, like someone is hiring but wants a guy with, say, a FSI training...which certainly ainīt cheap.
The XLS is an airplane that isnīt cheap to operate, so the usual 'cheap' route on the actual arplane is not the answer IMO. That leaves the known sim training facilities: FSI, CAE....is there anyone else with a XLS sim ?
OTOH, a 'cheap' rating could cost you dearly, like someone is hiring but wants a guy with, say, a FSI training...which certainly ainīt cheap.
The XLS is an airplane that isnīt cheap to operate, so the usual 'cheap' route on the actual arplane is not the answer IMO. That leaves the known sim training facilities: FSI, CAE....is there anyone else with a XLS sim ?
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presumably you have a job on aforementioned aircraft ?? as for cost.....well, have you actually spoken to any of the training providers mentioned a little earlier on in this thread by other contributors ??
might be worth a little chat to your employer as to his/her preferences regarding you training because cheap isn't necessarily good ! and if your just doing a speculative rating, well...........
might be worth a little chat to your employer as to his/her preferences regarding you training because cheap isn't necessarily good ! and if your just doing a speculative rating, well...........
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presumably you have a job on aforementioned aircraft ?? as for cost.....well, have you actually spoken to any of the training providers mentioned a little earlier on in this thread by other contributors ??
I have to self sponsort my TR
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Sorry buddy....... did you say the job is without salary??????
So as well as paying for your rating you'll get no salary!!
If this is a serious enquiry then you are crazy and your new "employer" is a
So as well as paying for your rating you'll get no salary!!
If this is a serious enquiry then you are crazy and your new "employer" is a
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Generally speaking, folks who fly for nothing do not get any respect here, for those who pay for a type rating and then fly for free, you may get a "contract" but maybe not the one your hoping for. You are not doing yourself or anyone else a favour, please choose another vocation, its tough enough without people like you.
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I help out with recruitment occasionally and as a matter of course any CV with a TR with no hours gets binned. It is alarming the amount of cover letters starting with "will fly for free" or "will pay for TR". Plenty of bean counters out there taking advantage of this, but why would I assist someone like that to enter our profession only to erode my TnC's eventually?
If an FO enters our profession to fly for free they won't have much leverage demanding market rates once they move to the left seat.
If an FO enters our profession to fly for free they won't have much leverage demanding market rates once they move to the left seat.
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cldrvr,
I hear what you say and I wish all employers were like yours but they are not. I am not going to be hyprocritical here, I paid for my first TR in 2006. I'd worked as an FI for 2 years and was desperate to move on. It got me paid freelance work then eventually full-time. Was it worth it? I think so.
Now with 2 TR's under my belt and a reasonable amount of jet time I was hoping that I'd not have to do it again but I am beginning to lose hope in the current market. The reason I say this I recently lost out on a full-time job because a newbie FO with 250 hours stumped up Ģ25k for a Hawker rating so fast that I didn't even have time to check my overdraft facility!
I hear what you say and I wish all employers were like yours but they are not. I am not going to be hyprocritical here, I paid for my first TR in 2006. I'd worked as an FI for 2 years and was desperate to move on. It got me paid freelance work then eventually full-time. Was it worth it? I think so.
Now with 2 TR's under my belt and a reasonable amount of jet time I was hoping that I'd not have to do it again but I am beginning to lose hope in the current market. The reason I say this I recently lost out on a full-time job because a newbie FO with 250 hours stumped up Ģ25k for a Hawker rating so fast that I didn't even have time to check my overdraft facility!
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Crosswind, you have said it all. OK, you paid for a type but at least you got paid afterwards. Buying a type is a big gamble for the most obvious reasons but it seemed to work for you. BUT, to buy a type in the full knowlege that you will not be paid is unforgivable. That means you have the money to pay for the type AND you can go without pay. Any fool would know that this is going to put a professional out of a job, and that is why its done, for no other reason than that. If there were not these kind of people around with the wealth (or family) required then the owner would have to take one off the unemployed list. I am sorry but I am unable to have warm and fuzzy feelings towards "pilots" of this ilk.
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Now, go buy a TR if you have the funds like that Thai (?) Prince jetting around Europe every summer with his B737.
Otherwise? You realize being a pilot is not a job but your HOBBY if you pay into it day after day?!?
Otherwise? You realize being a pilot is not a job but your HOBBY if you pay into it day after day?!?
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Asking questions about self sponsored typeratings with a non paying job in a professional pilots forum sounds like knocking an abbey's door asking a nun for cheap sex.
Are you for real?
Are you for real?
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This is ridiculous man, why the hell would you ever consider doing that.
I know of 4 people who are unemployed and all got offered a job using a rating they currently have and were presented with a bond. Of course they didn't accept, because they come with a rating.
If you not only pay for your rating, but then work for free, you offer no value to yourself or our industry, and by "our industry", I mean all of us that work hard to earn MONEY. Why not go the whole hog... Pay for your TR, work for free, pay for your hotels AND sign a bond!
You are not a charity and as such are doing no one any favors by flying for free, especially not yourself, but more importantly me!
Think about it:
1. Whoever owns that plane has spent millions and can therefore afford to pay both your TR plus your wages.
2. If they can't afford it, then run away, they can't afford the plane, your hotel bills, or you airline flight home when their plane gets impounded.
If it's an operator that's insisting on this, then that unscrupulous bd is simply pocketing your TR costs and your salary and ring you for your time.
Save your cash, invest it in BP and be better off in the long run!!!
I know of 4 people who are unemployed and all got offered a job using a rating they currently have and were presented with a bond. Of course they didn't accept, because they come with a rating.
If you not only pay for your rating, but then work for free, you offer no value to yourself or our industry, and by "our industry", I mean all of us that work hard to earn MONEY. Why not go the whole hog... Pay for your TR, work for free, pay for your hotels AND sign a bond!
You are not a charity and as such are doing no one any favors by flying for free, especially not yourself, but more importantly me!
Think about it:
1. Whoever owns that plane has spent millions and can therefore afford to pay both your TR plus your wages.
2. If they can't afford it, then run away, they can't afford the plane, your hotel bills, or you airline flight home when their plane gets impounded.
If it's an operator that's insisting on this, then that unscrupulous b
d is simply pocketing your TR costs and your salary and ring you for your time.Save your cash, invest it in BP and be better off in the long run!!!
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So everybody here in the forum are saying doesnt matter how long it takes to get a highly paid job i should wait for it for years and years ...... 
I should not face the reality and should not build some hours on JET.
I should just keep my licence current by paying for IR ETC ETC....
goood
I should not face the reality and should not build some hours on JET.
I should just keep my licence current by paying for IR ETC ETC....
goood