HAWKER 900xp
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800/850/900 etc all great aircraft, all with the same baggage problem that has to be got over by small crew bags and "educated" passengers.
In my view the straight 800B without reversers is the best. It is certified to FL 430 which makes a big difference if you are going for range and it is certainly great to see the headwind drop from -50 to -10 by climbing from 400 to 430. As far as range is concerned temp and weight obviously come in to the equation but my record is 7 hours airborne Martinsburg West Virginia to Luton direct. and the landing fuel was JAR Ops legal!
The 800A is only certified to 410 and I believe XP's 850's 900's etc are the same. Any one know why because that extra 2000 ft makes a big difference and the lack of reversers makes the engine more efficient. So go for an 800B not a 900 and save yourself 12 million dollars!
In my view the straight 800B without reversers is the best. It is certified to FL 430 which makes a big difference if you are going for range and it is certainly great to see the headwind drop from -50 to -10 by climbing from 400 to 430. As far as range is concerned temp and weight obviously come in to the equation but my record is 7 hours airborne Martinsburg West Virginia to Luton direct. and the landing fuel was JAR Ops legal!
The 800A is only certified to 410 and I believe XP's 850's 900's etc are the same. Any one know why because that extra 2000 ft makes a big difference and the lack of reversers makes the engine more efficient. So go for an 800B not a 900 and save yourself 12 million dollars!
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As I understand it, to do with Engine disk burst and puncturing the fuselage with FAA certification, unless you have a semi pressure bulk head like Gulfstream’s etc which then allows them up above the FL410. If your Fan disk is behind not a problem, think lears are behind maybe someone can confirm that
As I understand it, to do with Engine disk burst and puncturing the fuselage with FAA certification, unless you have a semi pressure bulk head like Gulfstream’s etc which then allows them up above the FL410. If your Fan disk is behind not a problem, think lears are behind maybe someone can confirm that
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HI
I see on the thread there is a couple of Aussie 900 pilots. Maroomba in Perth have advertised for H 900 pilots. Any info on their operation, good, bad or indifferent?
Thanks
Fed
I see on the thread there is a couple of Aussie 900 pilots. Maroomba in Perth have advertised for H 900 pilots. Any info on their operation, good, bad or indifferent?
Thanks
Fed
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The 900XP is a noticeable improvement with the -50 engines.
Oh yes, what I would love is an 800B, no reversers fitted with -50's. Somebody should do a retrofit program:
1/ Effectively zero time airframe and gear
2/ -50 engines
3/ Blended winglets
4/ Price $6-7 million.
It would be hard to beat but I think HBC would not be too happy about a better product an less than half the price being on the market.
Oh yes, what I would love is an 800B, no reversers fitted with -50's. Somebody should do a retrofit program:
1/ Effectively zero time airframe and gear
2/ -50 engines
3/ Blended winglets
4/ Price $6-7 million.
It would be hard to beat but I think HBC would not be too happy about a better product an less than half the price being on the market.
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You can have -50 engines and blended winglets on a 800b.
Hawker Beechcraft are offering this as XPR Mod.
But -50 engine not available without T/R as far as i know.
Hawker Beechcraft are offering this as XPR Mod.
But -50 engine not available without T/R as far as i know.
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First of all thank you to the British. for build such a sweet plane.
the 900xp is great,i have 1500hr.
but if you want buy a plane with more range more baggage area,more seat
buy the Hawker 1000,best midsize ever build.
you will have an extra 1400 lbs of jet fuel (i think is nice),you will have an extra 3 ft in lenth,the 3 ft are the baggage area, and go up to fl 430.
and the FADEC.
and you will save around 9 mil.
i have 2500hr on the 1000,belive me,no other plane out there like
the Hawker 1000
the 900xp is great,i have 1500hr.
but if you want buy a plane with more range more baggage area,more seat
buy the Hawker 1000,best midsize ever build.
you will have an extra 1400 lbs of jet fuel (i think is nice),you will have an extra 3 ft in lenth,the 3 ft are the baggage area, and go up to fl 430.
and the FADEC.
and you will save around 9 mil.
i have 2500hr on the 1000,belive me,no other plane out there like
the Hawker 1000
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Non-Hawker pilot here.
If the Hawker 1000 was such a good plane (and I've heard others say the same), why did they stop production? Does it not have an external baggage hold which is the Hawker 800 series Achilles heel?
If the Hawker 1000 was such a good plane (and I've heard others say the same), why did they stop production? Does it not have an external baggage hold which is the Hawker 800 series Achilles heel?
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well there 2 stories
1)when the hawker 1000 came out was 11 mil. and the 800 was 8 mil,so potential buyers they didn't see the advantange for 3 extra mil.
story 2) is the hawker sold 26 hakwer 1000 to net jet at below market price
to introduce the 1000 to the market,and the price was a secret.
when potential buyers find out everybody want at the netjet price.
so the hakwer stoped make the 1000 and came out with the 800xp
that basic is the 800 with the 1000 wings and less expensive than 1000.
1)when the hawker 1000 came out was 11 mil. and the 800 was 8 mil,so potential buyers they didn't see the advantange for 3 extra mil.
story 2) is the hawker sold 26 hakwer 1000 to net jet at below market price
to introduce the 1000 to the market,and the price was a secret.
when potential buyers find out everybody want at the netjet price.
so the hakwer stoped make the 1000 and came out with the 800xp
that basic is the 800 with the 1000 wings and less expensive than 1000.
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The Hawker 1000 was still in production when the 800xp was introduced and marketed as two seperate Aircraft.
Customers did not see the advantages of the 1000 until Raytheon decided to stop production of the 1000. When Raytheon decided to move the Hawker assembly line from Chester to Whichita customers started to show an intrest in the 1000, so much so that they where going to start production again for another 12 months and delay the move of the assemly line but decided against it in the end.
Over the last few years they have talked about starting production of the 1000 a few times due to the amount of enquiries they have had from customers.
I think the reason they never did start production again was they thought the Hawker 4000 would fill the gap.
Bae/Raytheon missed a trick with 1000 if they'd put an all moving tail and got rid of the TKS system plus a few other changes they would of sold a lot more and would still be making them now instead of the 900xp.
For your information they produced 52 Hawker 1000, 2 of which where modified 800's.
Customers did not see the advantages of the 1000 until Raytheon decided to stop production of the 1000. When Raytheon decided to move the Hawker assembly line from Chester to Whichita customers started to show an intrest in the 1000, so much so that they where going to start production again for another 12 months and delay the move of the assemly line but decided against it in the end.
Over the last few years they have talked about starting production of the 1000 a few times due to the amount of enquiries they have had from customers.
I think the reason they never did start production again was they thought the Hawker 4000 would fill the gap.
Bae/Raytheon missed a trick with 1000 if they'd put an all moving tail and got rid of the TKS system plus a few other changes they would of sold a lot more and would still be making them now instead of the 900xp.
For your information they produced 52 Hawker 1000, 2 of which where modified 800's.
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Thanks for that Hawker Man. Will look into it because the -5 MSP costs are becoming huge so at the next CZI perhaps that is the answer. The performance must be fantastic.
Thanks for that Hawker Man. Will look into it because the -5 MSP costs are becoming huge so at the next CZI perhaps that is the answer. The performance must be fantastic.
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Hawker Beechcraft Services Announces Inaugural Hawker 800XPR Upgrade Customer at NBAA
Denmark charter operator JoinJet to market as greenest 800XP in the world
ATLANTA (Oct. 19, 2010) – Hawker Beechcraft Services (HBS) today announced JoinJet of Denmark as the inaugural customer for the Hawker 800XP
R upgrade during a ceremony at the company’s Global Customer Support booth at the National Business Aviation Association’s (NBAA) 63rd Annual Meeting & Convention in Atlanta. JoinJet is the charter division of the airline SUN-AIR of Scandinavia A/S. JoinJet’s fleet is state-of-the-art within its class and provides charter services around the world.
"We are pleased to announce JoinJet as our launch customer and are confident the Hawker 800XPR upgrade will be an outstanding performer that will retain its value for years to come," said Christi Tannahill, Hawker Beechcraft vice president, Global Customer Support. "The installation of the high efficiency winglets and the -50R engines make good business sense and add lasting value."
"We are eager to be the first owner and operator to upgrade our Hawker 800XP aircraft to the XPR program," said Kristoffer Sundberg, General Manager of JoinJet. "The enhanced reliability and lower operating costs will benefit our charter service customers. We’ve been very pleased with the Hawker Beechcraft products and recently acquired another Hawker 800XP. This latest addition to our fleet will be receiving the XPR upgrade. We look forward to marketing it as the greenest 800XP in the world with its low CO2 footprint."
The Hawker 800XPR offers significant improvements over the performance and capability of the 800XP, the industry’s best-selling midsize jet. Genuine Hawker winglets and more powerful, state-of-the-art Honeywell TFE-731-50R turbofan engines give the 800XPR greater range, better time to climb and faster cruise speeds. In addition, optional avionics, a newly stylized interior and XPR customer paint designs are
"We are pleased to announce JoinJet as our launch customer and are confident the Hawker 800XPR upgrade will be an outstanding performer that will retain its value for years to come," said Christi Tannahill, Hawker Beechcraft vice president, Global Customer Support. "The installation of the high efficiency winglets and the -50R engines make good business sense and add lasting value."
"We are eager to be the first owner and operator to upgrade our Hawker 800XP aircraft to the XPR program," said Kristoffer Sundberg, General Manager of JoinJet. "The enhanced reliability and lower operating costs will benefit our charter service customers. We’ve been very pleased with the Hawker Beechcraft products and recently acquired another Hawker 800XP. This latest addition to our fleet will be receiving the XPR upgrade. We look forward to marketing it as the greenest 800XP in the world with its low CO2 footprint."
The Hawker 800XPR offers significant improvements over the performance and capability of the 800XP, the industry’s best-selling midsize jet. Genuine Hawker winglets and more powerful, state-of-the-art Honeywell TFE-731-50R turbofan engines give the 800XPR greater range, better time to climb and faster cruise speeds. In addition, optional avionics, a newly stylized interior and XPR customer paint designs are
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available. The upgrade is available exclusively through HBS, the company’s factory-owned service center network. JoinJet’s upgrade will be completed at the company’s facility in Chester, United Kingdom (EGNR).
After a bit of thought you might not be able to convert an old 800 without modifing the wings ie. remove wing fence and fit vortilon and modify the ailerons but you can soon ask if it's possible.
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Hi castrofly,
the way i understand this document is, that both are on the licence endorsement HS125 and you need a differential training between them.
the way i understand this document is, that both are on the licence endorsement HS125 and you need a differential training between them.