Avanti down on ice cap
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Well what's the point of keeping an FO with no aircraft? Even if it wasn't the captain's fault, I don't think insurances would cover illegal charter operations.
Ferrydude,
The sad part is it was a single crew during the mishap the FO was flying elsewhere with another Captain...hmmmmmm...
Ferrydude,
The sad part is it was a single crew during the mishap the FO was flying elsewhere with another Captain...hmmmmmm...
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Yep sounds as if that Captain needed and FO to cover his butt so he would have not got in a bad situation. Maybe the FO knew more than the Captain so he was terminated. I hear the Captain is also the Chief Pilot at this fly by night operation. Screw up and move up. 
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As i have been working in Kuwait for the past 3 years i had the chance to speak to a few of the guy's working at Golden Falcon Aviation.
Yes, i have for a long time had a hard time understanding how these guy's were allowed to operate Commercial charters on N-Reg aircraft's but somehow they do.
Most often its cos the Owner is RICH and know's the right people (thats how everything works in the middle east anyway's) But i do know that they operate commercial and advertise doing so as-well, i even saw them at the MEBAC in Dubai (the business airshow) having their own booth advertising charter's.
The guy's i talked to were Underpaid (for the region) pilot's, the captain i talked to had good experience though and looked like he knew what he was doing, i.e prob why he managed to survive. Most often these guy's would fly single pilot on the Piaggio, and could be with duty-days easy over 12 hours according to the pilots i talked to. Kinda tough as the piaggio aint far from a normal jet.
When i talked to them they also had to do their own flight planning and take care of everything else themself's.
I'm not in place to speak negative or positive about the Pilot's, and im not trying to do so either, im just saying to others who might think about working in the middle east that you have to look around, do your re-search and make sure that the company your working for is up to standards.
I know time's hard right now and many pilot's will take what ever is available i.e why they could find guy's to fly a Piaggio for only $45,000 per year which is well below for captain pay for corporate flying in this region, but if you do not do you re-search well you might very well end in same situations as several companies are Cheating, lying and doing what ever they can to get everything their way.
Also the reason why i just Resigned my position after 3 years, as i have had enough working for a company who is unreliable, low lying scum who only have one thing in mind which is to screw their pilots over as good as they can.
Im out of the Sandbox and do not expect ever to return and again will just advice others as said earlier to make sure you re-search everything before getting a job in the middle east or you might just endup as the NEXT PIAGGIO ON GREENLAND!!!
Yes, i have for a long time had a hard time understanding how these guy's were allowed to operate Commercial charters on N-Reg aircraft's but somehow they do.
Most often its cos the Owner is RICH and know's the right people (thats how everything works in the middle east anyway's) But i do know that they operate commercial and advertise doing so as-well, i even saw them at the MEBAC in Dubai (the business airshow) having their own booth advertising charter's.
The guy's i talked to were Underpaid (for the region) pilot's, the captain i talked to had good experience though and looked like he knew what he was doing, i.e prob why he managed to survive. Most often these guy's would fly single pilot on the Piaggio, and could be with duty-days easy over 12 hours according to the pilots i talked to. Kinda tough as the piaggio aint far from a normal jet.
When i talked to them they also had to do their own flight planning and take care of everything else themself's.
I'm not in place to speak negative or positive about the Pilot's, and im not trying to do so either, im just saying to others who might think about working in the middle east that you have to look around, do your re-search and make sure that the company your working for is up to standards.
I know time's hard right now and many pilot's will take what ever is available i.e why they could find guy's to fly a Piaggio for only $45,000 per year which is well below for captain pay for corporate flying in this region, but if you do not do you re-search well you might very well end in same situations as several companies are Cheating, lying and doing what ever they can to get everything their way.
Also the reason why i just Resigned my position after 3 years, as i have had enough working for a company who is unreliable, low lying scum who only have one thing in mind which is to screw their pilots over as good as they can.
Im out of the Sandbox and do not expect ever to return and again will just advice others as said earlier to make sure you re-search everything before getting a job in the middle east or you might just endup as the NEXT PIAGGIO ON GREENLAND!!!
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Yes, i have for a long time had a hard time understanding how these guy's were allowed to operate Commercial charters on N-Reg aircraft's but somehow they do.
Most often its cos the Owner is RICH and know's the right people (thats how everything works in the middle east anyway's) But i do know that they operate commercial and advertise doing so as-well, i even saw them at the MEBAC in Dubai (the business airshow) having their own booth advertising charter's.
Most often its cos the Owner is RICH and know's the right people (thats how everything works in the middle east anyway's) But i do know that they operate commercial and advertise doing so as-well, i even saw them at the MEBAC in Dubai (the business airshow) having their own booth advertising charter's.
What if an accident involves commercial passengers? Would they be covered? That's the key and it isn't different in the ME than anywhere else.
I don't see what's wrong with preparing flight plans, tin my opinion hat's something pilots should be able to do regularly. I don't see how doing research on employers would have saved this guy from ending on the ice, you have surprising shortcuts.
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Are you just plain stupid????
First off you should learn to spell when you write a post!!!!
I have worked in the Middle East for 3 years, before this i worked in the US/Europe and Asia, apart from being a pilot i was also the Sales Manager for my company and thereby know many of the in's and out's of the business in the Middle East.
All you need to do is take a look at the past 3 years in the Middle East and look at how many companie's have gone Bankrupt, or havent paid their pilots, or removed schedules and i can go on and on..
As the sales manager for my company i can tell you i have been in contact with SEVERAL companies in this region that were operating N-reg aircraft's ILLEGAL, and either not informing the insurance about ther commercial operations OR buying off-shore insurance's that requires less if ANY background checks.
Believe me when i also say that the FAA are looking into Golden Falcon and many others as they have been receiving several reports from various operators who are tired of having faker's operate at lower rates as they do not have the same expences as others....
Of ur spelling i kinda take it that you are from the Middle East and therefor feel that your feet are being stepped on when people are posting Negative post's about the Middle East, in the future before you make post's you should prob. get some background knowledge of the situation, get to know operators around this region before you start talking back at me this way!!!
I am trying to make others aware that there are SERIOUS issues in the Middle East in regards to operators i.e reason why i am leaving and NO i did not get fired i choose to leave my 165.000usd job a year as i no longer want to be a part of the ongoing bull.... going on in this region.
I have NOOOOO problems in pilots doing their own flight plan's and i do myself aswell, i do however have problems when i talk to pilots who WORK for this company which im sure u havent done, who tells me they are doing preflight planning 3 hours before a 10 hour flight to iceland giving them a total workday of over 15 hours and then MIN rest flying single pilot...
Yes that point is about safety and it happens often in the Middle East with several operators on various jet's that pilots are being pushed by their company to work far beyond their duty limitations and not doing so would result in threats or others by their company.
So again trying to warn others about the situation in the Middle East and the possibility if not knowing the company good before you join that you might end up in a company where you do end up on the ice on greenland!!!
And if you think im still wrong, then try to make a search on PPrune and see how much negative feedback the Middle East have compared to USA/EUROPE or ASIA..... The Middle East is byfar in front on that account.
Oh and just an extra note.... Thankfully the FAA are looking into the various operators in the Middle East who are operating illegal, im so happy to know they not only are gunning for the companies but also the PILOTS who work or used to work for these companies,,, i personally cant stand these pilots who knowingly are helping these companies making the current situation and requtation of the business worse then it already is, and im glad that several pilots will get their license revoked!!!!!!!
Any pilot working or used to work for these types of operators who are saying they didnt know anything are full of S..T, AOC/INSURANCE and normal brainfunction should be found inside the aircraft!!!
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First off you should learn to spell when you write a post!!!!
I have worked in the Middle East for 3 years, before this i worked in the US/Europe and Asia, apart from being a pilot i was also the Sales Manager for my company and thereby know many of the in's and out's of the business in the Middle East.
All you need to do is take a look at the past 3 years in the Middle East and look at how many companie's have gone Bankrupt, or havent paid their pilots, or removed schedules and i can go on and on..
As the sales manager for my company i can tell you i have been in contact with SEVERAL companies in this region that were operating N-reg aircraft's ILLEGAL, and either not informing the insurance about ther commercial operations OR buying off-shore insurance's that requires less if ANY background checks.
Believe me when i also say that the FAA are looking into Golden Falcon and many others as they have been receiving several reports from various operators who are tired of having faker's operate at lower rates as they do not have the same expences as others....
Of ur spelling i kinda take it that you are from the Middle East and therefor feel that your feet are being stepped on when people are posting Negative post's about the Middle East, in the future before you make post's you should prob. get some background knowledge of the situation, get to know operators around this region before you start talking back at me this way!!!
I am trying to make others aware that there are SERIOUS issues in the Middle East in regards to operators i.e reason why i am leaving and NO i did not get fired i choose to leave my 165.000usd job a year as i no longer want to be a part of the ongoing bull.... going on in this region.
I have NOOOOO problems in pilots doing their own flight plan's and i do myself aswell, i do however have problems when i talk to pilots who WORK for this company which im sure u havent done, who tells me they are doing preflight planning 3 hours before a 10 hour flight to iceland giving them a total workday of over 15 hours and then MIN rest flying single pilot...
Yes that point is about safety and it happens often in the Middle East with several operators on various jet's that pilots are being pushed by their company to work far beyond their duty limitations and not doing so would result in threats or others by their company.
So again trying to warn others about the situation in the Middle East and the possibility if not knowing the company good before you join that you might end up in a company where you do end up on the ice on greenland!!!
And if you think im still wrong, then try to make a search on PPrune and see how much negative feedback the Middle East have compared to USA/EUROPE or ASIA..... The Middle East is byfar in front on that account.
Oh and just an extra note.... Thankfully the FAA are looking into the various operators in the Middle East who are operating illegal, im so happy to know they not only are gunning for the companies but also the PILOTS who work or used to work for these companies,,, i personally cant stand these pilots who knowingly are helping these companies making the current situation and requtation of the business worse then it already is, and im glad that several pilots will get their license revoked!!!!!!!
Any pilot working or used to work for these types of operators who are saying they didnt know anything are full of S..T, AOC/INSURANCE and normal brainfunction should be found inside the aircraft!!!
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And just if anyone are interested in next part of the accident report:
Reports from Kangerlussuaq airport personnell (landed BGSF 1845z on the accident date, after re-routing CYYR-BGBW to CYYR-BGGH then diverting to alternate BGSF) was that the pilot missed the approach twice at BGBW and also that the pilot had filed 02+00 ETE and 02+45 fuel endurance in apparant violation of ICAO flight planning and alternate regulations.
This guy was an IDIOT!!!!
Reports from Kangerlussuaq airport personnell (landed BGSF 1845z on the accident date, after re-routing CYYR-BGBW to CYYR-BGGH then diverting to alternate BGSF) was that the pilot missed the approach twice at BGBW and also that the pilot had filed 02+00 ETE and 02+45 fuel endurance in apparant violation of ICAO flight planning and alternate regulations.
This guy was an IDIOT!!!!
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Aviator 2005, I will only use few lines to let you know that, like you, I'm also in the region for a couple years with a JAR European pilot background and like you I'm holding a managerial position involving dealing with operators, customers and authorities. I'm not going to elaborate on your comments since you didn't make the effort to enter a polite and civilized discussion.
I said:
and you said:
Do you get the link or is it that I'm just plain stupid?
With such communications skills your sales targets must be hard to reach.
All the best for your new life.
I said:
I don't see how doing research on employers would have saved this guy from ending on the ice
i personally cant stand these pilots who knowingly are helping these companies making the current situation and requtation of the business worse then it already is, and im glad that several pilots will get their license revoked!!!!!!!
Any pilot working or used to work for these types of operators who are saying they didnt know anything are full of S..T, AOC/INSURANCE and normal brainfunction should be found inside the aircraft!!!
Any pilot working or used to work for these types of operators who are saying they didnt know anything are full of S..T, AOC/INSURANCE and normal brainfunction should be found inside the aircraft!!!
With such communications skills your sales targets must be hard to reach.
All the best for your new life.
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Here is the link pertaining to the final report on this accident.
http://havarikommissionen.instant.co...0_2011_33.ashx
http://havarikommissionen.instant.co...0_2011_33.ashx
