Netjets price crash announced
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With us and I suspect any reputable charter company, the price the client pays is the the price quoted and accepted with NO surcharges. The only time the price will vary is when the client changes the schedule. We do not charge for diversions ATC delays that is part of the business risk. I wonder how British Airways passengers would react if when they got off the aircraft after 20 minutes in the hold (pattern not cargo!) they were each asked to pay a supplement. (I hope MOL does not read this post)
With us and I suspect any reputable charter company, the price the client pays is the the price quoted and accepted with NO surcharges. The only time the price will vary is when the client changes the schedule. We do not charge for diversions ATC delays that is part of the business risk. I wonder how British Airways passengers would react if when they got off the aircraft after 20 minutes in the hold (pattern not cargo!) they were each asked to pay a supplement. (I hope MOL does not read this post)
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Hawker750, the reason you and everyone else are cheaper is that you're not spending £10 million each year to find the clients. Add marketing to your price and you become very expensive indeed; to get as many clients as Netjets have your rate will go up to £10,000's p/hr.
Of course if the client finds you....he gets the bargain that you are!
Smart marketeers find the clients, and then the clients pay for that; smart clients find the supplier by themselves and save a fortune.
Of course if the client finds you....he gets the bargain that you are!
Smart marketeers find the clients, and then the clients pay for that; smart clients find the supplier by themselves and save a fortune.
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.................whereas even smarter operators attract clients with good, safe service and value for money thereby avoiding pissing millions away in salaries and bonuses to sales reps and management.
The amount of money wasted at NJE is massive. Any operator not letting themselves get drawn in to the latest fads and what's 'in' this season and what's not can undercut them. It's not difficult to beat their level of service either, simply by being honest.
The amount of money wasted at NJE is massive. Any operator not letting themselves get drawn in to the latest fads and what's 'in' this season and what's not can undercut them. It's not difficult to beat their level of service either, simply by being honest.
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People are paying for the guaranteed availability; indeed on a card they have to give more notice than on a share; but Netjets cannot say NO to a customer. period.
THEN, it is time to willy waving BIG TIME !!!
BUT, if you stick your head out of the Island, and think to a more global approach, Netjets has strong points otherwise, 20 years later and around 700 airframes managed under the same marketing flag, it will be simply out of the game. Can a local charter can guarantee the availibility of a midsize cabin EVERY TIME ?
This is a different way of aviation, comparing a one or two aircraft ops, with a 170 (in europe) does not match; nor does a private owner, or a management company or an airline for that matter.
In a marketing world, marketing is the key.. Look at JR, no aircraft flying but advertising EVERYWHERE, even next to Netjets in AMEX magazine..
Charter Operator have a long life in front of them, like private owners; but Netjets will find new customers, retrieve old ones etc; whatever the deals behind, whatever the situations, the skyline of aviation is waving but it is about the same..
THEN, it is time to willy waving BIG TIME !!!
BUT, if you stick your head out of the Island, and think to a more global approach, Netjets has strong points otherwise, 20 years later and around 700 airframes managed under the same marketing flag, it will be simply out of the game. Can a local charter can guarantee the availibility of a midsize cabin EVERY TIME ?
This is a different way of aviation, comparing a one or two aircraft ops, with a 170 (in europe) does not match; nor does a private owner, or a management company or an airline for that matter.
In a marketing world, marketing is the key.. Look at JR, no aircraft flying but advertising EVERYWHERE, even next to Netjets in AMEX magazine..
Charter Operator have a long life in front of them, like private owners; but Netjets will find new customers, retrieve old ones etc; whatever the deals behind, whatever the situations, the skyline of aviation is waving but it is about the same..
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BUT, if you stick your head out of the Island
...think to a more global approach, Netjets has strong points otherwise...
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Airpartner and vistajet and lufthansa pj and other charter based membership programmes also guarantee availability without having to run a huge fleet overhead.
There are 2 ways to run a programme, the netjets heavy overhead model, or a membership programme can also run as well if not better using managed chartered jets.
In fact the charter fleet is now offering young capable aircraft Which nje don't have
Such as sovereign, cj3 etc.
Airpartner and vistajet and lufthansa pj and other charter based membership programmes also guarantee availability without having to run a huge fleet overhead.
There are 2 ways to run a programme, the netjets heavy overhead model, or a membership programme can also run as well if not better using managed chartered jets.
In fact the charter fleet is now offering young capable aircraft Which nje don't have
Such as sovereign, cj3 etc.
Alright, I'll bite. True, Netjets is not ideal for everyone. If you only ever fly from one airport, and tend to come back the same or next day, and there is a good operator at that airport, NetJets may not be for you.
However, if you, like a lot of customers, go through a broker, you never really know what you are getting in terms of aircraft, crew (and their training, experience) etc. Let alone, guaranteed availability.
So, having guaranteed availability, a consistent service (and safety) level does justify spending a bit more for a lot of NetJets customers. They are not stupid. They did not become rich by accident. They do shop around, and a lot of them choose NetJets, despite the higher cost, in part caused by advertising, overhead etc.
Like it or not, but the business model works. And it is here to stay.
However, if you, like a lot of customers, go through a broker, you never really know what you are getting in terms of aircraft, crew (and their training, experience) etc. Let alone, guaranteed availability.
So, having guaranteed availability, a consistent service (and safety) level does justify spending a bit more for a lot of NetJets customers. They are not stupid. They did not become rich by accident. They do shop around, and a lot of them choose NetJets, despite the higher cost, in part caused by advertising, overhead etc.
Like it or not, but the business model works. And it is here to stay.
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I think 733driver is right.
For some Netjets is the way to go for others a good charter operation is the better bet. Does it matter to us really? Afterall the 2 guys/girls at the front are still 2 pilots.
If some of my colleagues at NJE walk around as if they own the world, I can only apologise to you. I hope no one who meets me at an FBO thinks I'm like that (I only own an extremely small piece of England, courtesy of a mortgage). I enjoy working for the company but I am under no illusions the service needs improving.
For some Netjets is the way to go for others a good charter operation is the better bet. Does it matter to us really? Afterall the 2 guys/girls at the front are still 2 pilots.
If some of my colleagues at NJE walk around as if they own the world, I can only apologise to you. I hope no one who meets me at an FBO thinks I'm like that (I only own an extremely small piece of England, courtesy of a mortgage). I enjoy working for the company but I am under no illusions the service needs improving.
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Bear in mind that in this climate it is not just migration from netjets to "similar" aircraft, many are dropping down, ask any CJ / Kingair operator and they'll tell you that the 35% drop in revenue amongst it's existing client base has been bolstered by ex-card holders shifting to more traditional "pay to fly" charters on lighter aircraft.
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@ Hawker 750
We do not break
Give me a break man, commercial pressure a familiar term? If there is one thing that makes me
it is so called pros that fly around with crap equipment and poor practices and provide a bad rep for the business.Not saying that your outfit is crap! But don't go splattering on the web that you don't break man. It gets a message across that may in fact cost you revenue rather than generate some...
All the best though
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I've got to be honest, that although Hawker750's claim is a bold one, in all the times I've dealt with his company I've never found them to be anything other than total professionals! Ok, not the most modern equipment around, but they do a great job all the same.
And I don't think they've ever gone tech on me either - which is nice!
And I don't think they've ever gone tech on me either - which is nice!
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Nothing wrong with a bit older equipment.
But claiming 100% reliability just does not happen. Not with 750, not with NJE, not with RYR not with Lufthansa. Simple fact of the business, claiming otherwise means either being untruthful or cutting corners.
Nevertheless good that you get where you needed to go .
But claiming 100% reliability just does not happen. Not with 750, not with NJE, not with RYR not with Lufthansa. Simple fact of the business, claiming otherwise means either being untruthful or cutting corners.
Nevertheless good that you get where you needed to go
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Chill out Postman, can you not recognise a bit of tongue in cheek? In the same post I illustrated the last time we went tech and how we dealt with it. Still stand by my claim that last 5 years 3000 hours/ 2200 sectors 100% dispatch reliability. Eat your heart out Bombardier/Cessna/Dassault, new computerised technology is not more reliable. Never did see a Lear parts are us in down time Monrovia but found a few 5lb hammers. And before people start screaming at me for being unprofessional just consider I might just have moved my tongue to the other cheek!
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...and then suddenly when scheduled Mx is coming up there are only 20 snags in the log that just happened during the last flight. Watch out that you don`t bite on your tongue! 
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It sounds like you are envious of our reliability. We use two things: correct use of the MEL and an extremely experienced in house licenced engineer.
I never said we never flew with defects I said we rarely go tech. Two very different things
It sounds like you are envious of our reliability. We use two things: correct use of the MEL and an extremely experienced in house licenced engineer.
I never said we never flew with defects I said we rarely go tech. Two very different things
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It's true that the lack of in house maintenance and a very weak knowledge of the aircraft and by extension of the MEL generates in Netjets an important number of grounded aircrafts.
The marketing is really greate, they are able to sell you that cutting your salary, loosing some benefits, etc... is a great success...
The marketing is really greate, they are able to sell you that cutting your salary, loosing some benefits, etc... is a great success...