Netjets 1 year on 1 year off??
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Netjets 1 year on 1 year off??
Netjets managment is offering 1 year on 1 year off at a 60 % pay for every year.
Now the problem is if you do not take this oppurtunity there is a chance they can sack you!
The problem a friend of mine is facing is very diffucult: either he can take it, or he can choose to do nothing!
The problem is if he takes it: That he can stay (60%salary) BUT people who did not take that deal can stay as well (maybe) with 100% salary!
The problem if he does not take it: He can be sacked, or he can be luckly that his collegues took the deal and he gets 100% pay!
to my opinion this offer they have to take or not to take is a very difficult and outrageous dillema the crapy Netjets managment has offered.
It is almost an impossible desicion Netjets pilots have to make it can go either way!
The crapy managment recently employed oxford guys! how can you clarify this?
your opinions please on what my mate has to choose
Now the problem is if you do not take this oppurtunity there is a chance they can sack you!
The problem a friend of mine is facing is very diffucult: either he can take it, or he can choose to do nothing!
The problem is if he takes it: That he can stay (60%salary) BUT people who did not take that deal can stay as well (maybe) with 100% salary!
The problem if he does not take it: He can be sacked, or he can be luckly that his collegues took the deal and he gets 100% pay!
to my opinion this offer they have to take or not to take is a very difficult and outrageous dillema the crapy Netjets managment has offered.
It is almost an impossible desicion Netjets pilots have to make it can go either way!
The crapy managment recently employed oxford guys! how can you clarify this?
your opinions please on what my mate has to choose
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These are the stupid mind games you would expect from children.
I worked for an American company years ago and someone abused the company credit card. Typically, they over reacted and their solution was to cancel all company credit cards and have us sign for re issued corporate cards issued in our name drawn from our bank account, then claim back.
A lot of crew signed the agreement in good faith. Some refused point blank to agree and the management suddenly became aware they were unable to enforce this, so the "rebels" were re issued with their original company credit cards! What about the crew who towed the company line? Oh, they were told because they signed for the corporate card in their name, they would have to continue with the new process.
The above was just one example of the imbecilic behaviour demonstrated by that company.
Americans, don't you just love them some times?
I worked for an American company years ago and someone abused the company credit card. Typically, they over reacted and their solution was to cancel all company credit cards and have us sign for re issued corporate cards issued in our name drawn from our bank account, then claim back.
A lot of crew signed the agreement in good faith. Some refused point blank to agree and the management suddenly became aware they were unable to enforce this, so the "rebels" were re issued with their original company credit cards! What about the crew who towed the company line? Oh, they were told because they signed for the corporate card in their name, they would have to continue with the new process.
The above was just one example of the imbecilic behaviour demonstrated by that company.
Americans, don't you just love them some times?
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....well they could just fire a whole bunch of guys....personally I think that given the situation it's not a bad approach to the problem of over crewing.
Now why the overcrewing problem exist...that's another question.
Now why the overcrewing problem exist...that's another question.
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Everyone stays on 100%, company continues to trade...for a while...then you know what, they close or go bust (or Warren does get fed up), everyone goes, inevitable conclusion in these tough times.
Brave decisions need to be taken.
Dont always blame the employer for having foresight or the balls to be adventurous.Its great in good times, but it then doesnt become the employers that should be solely responsiblein bad times.
Wise up, this is real and everbody is hurting, boh sides of the line.
I say 60% beats nowt and see how it goes.
Brave decisions need to be taken.
Dont always blame the employer for having foresight or the balls to be adventurous.Its great in good times, but it then doesnt become the employers that should be solely responsiblein bad times.
Wise up, this is real and everbody is hurting, boh sides of the line.
I say 60% beats nowt and see how it goes.
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As said above, the easiest solution would have been : get the last 300 people who joigned and fire them all. BUT, there is always a BUT :-) ; this is not the way the company is doing business; look around what is happening with other operators when they need to get rid of workforce; notice, payment, bye bye...
At least there is a wide consultation, working groups etc.. of course it is not pleasant to have to choose, of course one can argue that the hot potatoe is in crews's hands etc.. However, theses proposals are targeting everyone from the 62 years old to the early joiners; EVEN the one's whom are NOT yet in the company (ie ab-initios).
You can dump S... on a company as much as you like, but you should recognize when they do creative things. Get the numbers right, breathe, think, sit on your hands for a while, THEN act , speak...
µHave fun, and I wish you all a bizjets company that treat you like NJE does..
At least there is a wide consultation, working groups etc.. of course it is not pleasant to have to choose, of course one can argue that the hot potatoe is in crews's hands etc.. However, theses proposals are targeting everyone from the 62 years old to the early joiners; EVEN the one's whom are NOT yet in the company (ie ab-initios).
You can dump S... on a company as much as you like, but you should recognize when they do creative things. Get the numbers right, breathe, think, sit on your hands for a while, THEN act , speak...
µHave fun, and I wish you all a bizjets company that treat you like NJE does..
Hmmm. Don't kid yourself CL. NJE are not thinking of your interests one bit. They are trying to cover their butts should this situation blow over in the next year or two. Then they still have a ready supply of "meat" available for easy access whilst minimising todays costs.
If it fits with your agenda you are lucky and I would agree that it is a lot more palatable than redundancy but that is not their agenda.
I know of many many ex NJE employees (except no-one is actually employed by NJE) who would take issue with that statement!
If it fits with your agenda you are lucky and I would agree that it is a lot more palatable than redundancy but that is not their agenda.
and I wish you all a bizjets company that treat you like NJE does..
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I will take Voluntary Redundancy, even being on the top 100, and having a smaller chance to get rid off immediately, after 7 years it is a good deal, and it is time to move on...Better than to resign with nothing...or made redundant and having the minimum by law.. But until the 15th of July a lot of things can happen !!!
@ Happy jack
After 25 years in bizAv, Netjets was and still is the best deal in this sector, however people can change their minds and move towards other forms of life.
YOur statement that no one is employed by NJE is obsolete since NJE does not exist as such; you can choose between NSM and NTA.. Make up your mind and answer will follow..
@ Happy jack
After 25 years in bizAv, Netjets was and still is the best deal in this sector, however people can change their minds and move towards other forms of life.
YOur statement that no one is employed by NJE is obsolete since NJE does not exist as such; you can choose between NSM and NTA.. Make up your mind and answer will follow..
After all your years' service with NJE to take voluntary redundancy now I can see the temptation. Yes you have done very well indeed. Congratulations.
It's odd to think that the misery of this situation can actually do some people favours.
Are we all invited to the retirement party then?
It's odd to think that the misery of this situation can actually do some people favours.
Are we all invited to the retirement party then?
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Is it really party time ?
What would have been your answer if I wrote : NONE; I'm not feeling like doing anything, because my Cayenne Turbo is eating loads of fuel, and my spring house in morroco needs refurbishment..
What ever the decision Netjets crews will have to pick up, voluntarily or not, it will be a tough one. Parting or partying.. that is the question..
What would have been your answer if I wrote : NONE; I'm not feeling like doing anything, because my Cayenne Turbo is eating loads of fuel, and my spring house in morroco needs refurbishment..
What ever the decision Netjets crews will have to pick up, voluntarily or not, it will be a tough one. Parting or partying.. that is the question..
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But my dear Scratch Pad, (love collins 
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you get the level of response required by the thread itself; or it is truly interesting/constructive ( very rarely) or it is the always on 'dump S... on Netjets, they deserve it' type of attitude.
It seems like that whatever the company does , we have a smart harse to deny the efforts and highlight the mistakes; this is very tiring at the end of the day.
All Netjets crew are facing difficult times, like BA, AF, LH, every single company is affected; one's may think that he is firewalled against the odds until those are reversed.
I truly hope that if a fellow pilot has to be made redundant in the BizAv world; he/she will have that much notice and that much option to look for before. And remember, this part is a mitigating part, if this work well, there will be NO redundancies. So for a company in this sector, this is pretty well off. ( no rose tinted glasses here, just plain facts, a solution has to be taken, and this is part of it).
Enjoy your days Off
)you get the level of response required by the thread itself; or it is truly interesting/constructive ( very rarely) or it is the always on 'dump S... on Netjets, they deserve it' type of attitude.
It seems like that whatever the company does , we have a smart harse to deny the efforts and highlight the mistakes; this is very tiring at the end of the day.
All Netjets crew are facing difficult times, like BA, AF, LH, every single company is affected; one's may think that he is firewalled against the odds until those are reversed.
I truly hope that if a fellow pilot has to be made redundant in the BizAv world; he/she will have that much notice and that much option to look for before. And remember, this part is a mitigating part, if this work well, there will be NO redundancies. So for a company in this sector, this is pretty well off. ( no rose tinted glasses here, just plain facts, a solution has to be taken, and this is part of it).
Enjoy your days Off
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@ babemagnet
And did your 'mate' made a choice yet? Must say it is mighty kind of you to start a new thread to help out your 'mate'.
My friends would not do that for me, they always bother me with boring things like BBQs and drinking beer or going on roadtrips.
Given the attitude you put on display here, may I recommend voluntary redundancy?
PS: crapy is not a word. I take it you are french?
Perhaps you meant crappy: crap·py (kr
p
)adj. crap·pi·er, crap·pi·est Vulgar Slang
1. Inferior; worthless.
2. Miserable; wretched.
3. Mean; contemptible.
...which would be the wrong adjective to use as NTA management is clearly seeking a constructive way out of the overcrewed situation, making them far from inferior to any other operator. Or wretched, mean people for that matter. I am not happy with the situation either but throwing mud around only shows your lack of respect.
As said take VR and go explore the rest of the wonderful world of aviation, let me know how you are getting on just in case I get made redundant.
Just spotted your location, nevermind the comment on your origin.
My friends would not do that for me, they always bother me with boring things like BBQs and drinking beer or going on roadtrips.
Given the attitude you put on display here, may I recommend voluntary redundancy?
PS: crapy is not a word. I take it you are french?
Perhaps you meant crappy: crap·py (kr
p)adj. crap·pi·er, crap·pi·est Vulgar Slang 1. Inferior; worthless.
2. Miserable; wretched.
3. Mean; contemptible.
...which would be the wrong adjective to use as NTA management is clearly seeking a constructive way out of the overcrewed situation, making them far from inferior to any other operator. Or wretched, mean people for that matter. I am not happy with the situation either but throwing mud around only shows your lack of respect.
As said take VR and go explore the rest of the wonderful world of aviation, let me know how you are getting on just in case I get made redundant.
Just spotted your location, nevermind the comment on your origin.
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He did not made a choice yet the problem is that he cannot cover his bills with 60% salary! but he is afraid of losing his job and on the other hand he likes to stay with 100%. very difficult for him.
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Actually for anyone opting for the jobshare option that IS a problem. 60% salary sounds great (and yes, I know it's better than none at all) but those employees can only work elsewhere to make up the shortfall with the express permission of NJ management and if they decide to leave during their year off have to reimburse any pay received. At first sight it looks like a great deal but there are quite a few catches particularly for someone like babemagnet's 'friend' who needs all their current salary just to tread water.
Hey Flinti,
that's not quite true. In your year off you can work for another operator without any express permission by NJ's management. The only thing that you need to take into account is that the company may call you back to your 100% contract and you'll have to follow that order within 90 days. Obviously we are not allowed to work for other fractional ownership programs, but that's the only limitation. Cheers, EMS!
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those employees can only work elsewhere to make up the shortfall with the express permission of NJ management
