Doom and Gloom at Air Partner
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The government are considering printing money, Interest rate expected to be the lowest for 300 years. These ‘ARE’ exceptional times for any walk of life, not just aviation.
Excel, European Air Charter, Flightline, European Business Jets, Markoss, Woolworths and Northern Rock. By the grace of god go, well.... ‘all of us actually’.
All this drivel running companies down is pointless. All businesses are up against it, and most aviation companies still solvent have at least one negative thread from a disgruntled employee venting there spleen. Careless talk can cost lives. People should concentrate there efforts on helping their current employer weather the storm instead of pointless negativity about others.
Excel, European Air Charter, Flightline, European Business Jets, Markoss, Woolworths and Northern Rock. By the grace of god go, well.... ‘all of us actually’.
All this drivel running companies down is pointless. All businesses are up against it, and most aviation companies still solvent have at least one negative thread from a disgruntled employee venting there spleen. Careless talk can cost lives. People should concentrate there efforts on helping their current employer weather the storm instead of pointless negativity about others.
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I am suitably chastended and I will never again slag a good company or undermine a decent employer nor the excellent management of Air Partners. But I am intrigued by the concept of someone who knows and respects Justin Barber. Your not his mum are you?
EGHI R20 - you are quite right. We must all pull together. Only we won't because that is business and competition sadly.
I vow not to post again for another 5 years... the hatred...the hatred!
Adios...
I am suitably chastended and I will never again slag a good company or undermine a decent employer nor the excellent management of Air Partners. But I am intrigued by the concept of someone who knows and respects Justin Barber. Your not his mum are you?
EGHI R20 - you are quite right. We must all pull together. Only we won't because that is business and competition sadly.
I vow not to post again for another 5 years... the hatred...the hatred!
Adios...
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I didn’t say lets all pull together and share the wealth in a hand holding happy clappie club.
I simply said for people to get their own house in order, instead of worrying about other peoples.
Please lets end this thread and the pointless others on just about every other company in existence.
I simply said for people to get their own house in order, instead of worrying about other peoples.
Please lets end this thread and the pointless others on just about every other company in existence.
They are mutually exclusive aren't they?
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I think that you are all missing the point.
AIP tell us that their forward bookings are down 50%.
Forward bookings aren't private jet flights are they?
They happen the week before, not months before.
AIP forward bookings come from commercial flights, and if they are down by 50% then their earnings will fall off a cliff.
Sounds like they have lost some of those lucrative government contracts.
Contracts that still exist, they just went to better brokers, with more realistic margins.
They lost the head of Gold Air, the head of Marketing, the head of Jet Card and the head of Commercial. All in 12 months.
To respond to this by paying 4 Board Members £2m a year between them, when the company will make no more than £5m - £6m in 2009 does seem rather mad.
The CFO of this broker earns more than easyjet's CFO. Huh?
I like the previous chart. Try rebasing it to the last 12 months or 18 months, and I think you will seem them down 20% against the market.
AIP tell us that their forward bookings are down 50%.
Forward bookings aren't private jet flights are they?
They happen the week before, not months before.
AIP forward bookings come from commercial flights, and if they are down by 50% then their earnings will fall off a cliff.
Sounds like they have lost some of those lucrative government contracts.
Contracts that still exist, they just went to better brokers, with more realistic margins.
They lost the head of Gold Air, the head of Marketing, the head of Jet Card and the head of Commercial. All in 12 months.
To respond to this by paying 4 Board Members £2m a year between them, when the company will make no more than £5m - £6m in 2009 does seem rather mad.
The CFO of this broker earns more than easyjet's CFO. Huh?
I like the previous chart. Try rebasing it to the last 12 months or 18 months, and I think you will seem them down 20% against the market.
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Gentleman/Ladies
I Have known Justin Barber for many years
He is a Gentleman/Dedicated to A/P
Things are bad dont make them hareder by calling dedicated long serving staff members
Justin I Support U
Regards
Justin If u read this PM Please
I Have known Justin Barber for many years
He is a Gentleman/Dedicated to A/P
Things are bad dont make them hareder by calling dedicated long serving staff members
Justin I Support U
Regards
Justin If u read this PM Please
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BLAKE 7
They at least make a profit so even if they make a pound profit in any one year its better then a one pound loss
Does it matter what they pay the senior staff ??
As I have said many times on this forum A/P are here to stay and ride out the trouble times ahead
They at least make a profit so even if they make a pound profit in any one year its better then a one pound loss
Does it matter what they pay the senior staff ??
As I have said many times on this forum A/P are here to stay and ride out the trouble times ahead
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Antanov, with similar thoughts to yourself on rumour sites, I have to commend you for what i would consider to be an exceptional and well balanced summary of the situation on the previous page. In fairness to AP, nobody can question their success in previous years and growing a cash pile like they have is proof alone that whatever it was they were doing, was right. However, if we stand back for 5 minutes we see that their main focal areas have been and still are the city, banks, high net worth individuals, government and automotive. They are losing their segment of government, nobody is travelling privately in the city, high net worth individuals must be watching what they are spending on what are luxurious items such as private travel when in theory first class on flag carriers is acceptable and the automotive seems to be in serious problems as we all know. Add to this a very big hole in the bucket, that being the purchase at Biggin Hill, no matter how much cash you have, if the tough times last for long, that cash pile soon disappears and only gets worse especially when you have share holders to answer to.
My only final comments are that companies are dropping all over the place right now and I think to continue re-iterating how long AP have been around for is irrelevant. I'm sure Woolworths said the same thing (possibly the situation was different but the principle remains the same).
Anyway, I am not posting for or against, just some outsiders veiws just like Antanov
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My only final comments are that companies are dropping all over the place right now and I think to continue re-iterating how long AP have been around for is irrelevant. I'm sure Woolworths said the same thing (possibly the situation was different but the principle remains the same).
Anyway, I am not posting for or against, just some outsiders veiws just like Antanov
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Has anyone got any updates on AP's trading forecast ? There seems to be little or no info out there. All I hear is that the private jet has become unfashionable and a sign of corporate excess / greed. Is it time to dump the shares or are they likely to recover ? Anybody have any answers ?
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Has anyone got any updates on AP's trading forecast ? There seems to be little or no info out there. All I hear is that the private jet has become unfashionable and a sign of corporate excess / greed. Is it time to dump the shares or are they likely to recover ? Anybody have any answers ?
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Why dont you ring A/P and ask them the Question direct ?
Explain you are a share holder and would like to know what is the current situation..
There Telephone number if you dont have it is 01293 549555
Let us know your actions
My suggestion is Sell up or Shut Up
Kindest regards this Snowy Morning
Why dont you ring A/P and ask them the Question direct ?
Explain you are a share holder and would like to know what is the current situation..
There Telephone number if you dont have it is 01293 549555
Let us know your actions
My suggestion is Sell up or Shut Up
Kindest regards this Snowy Morning
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Affretage:
You claim you own stock in a company (AP) that profits from private jet travel; then you say that you’re selling because the investors are bailing out, and then you make out that the product is just a display in corporate greed and excess. Why on earth did you buy them and what are you doing on this forum, created for people making their living from the private jet industry?!!! You call them ‘parasites’ who fly ‘unacceptable’ jets.
Having said you’re selling them a month ago, now you want this forum to give you a trading update. Yet this forum gave you that on 10th December, and any investor (a) knows how to get an update and (b) knows when statements are issued. If you had a half a brain and watched other sites on the net you’d also quickly figure that, far from investors bailing out, you can trace the evidence that existing investors are accumulating at today’s price. You forget that for every share sold by someone scared, some smarter person is quietly collecting more.
Boy, are you out of your depth!
Let’s be honest Affretage: you don’t trade in shares; you’re not bright enough to invest in anything; your posts are solely designed to undermine a company that you clearly resent, and in doing so you’re happy to take a poke at the whole sector. You must be someone that AP discarded when they found you out to have a smaller brain than you claimed at interview; your holding must have been given you and you haven’t figured out what you’ve got.
And you have a habit of posting again just as this tired thread finally goes to sleep. Have you done anything positive for your employer this year?
I don’t think the aviation community is benefitting from your contributions. Have you thought about a career in politics or estate agency?
You claim you own stock in a company (AP) that profits from private jet travel; then you say that you’re selling because the investors are bailing out, and then you make out that the product is just a display in corporate greed and excess. Why on earth did you buy them and what are you doing on this forum, created for people making their living from the private jet industry?!!! You call them ‘parasites’ who fly ‘unacceptable’ jets.
Having said you’re selling them a month ago, now you want this forum to give you a trading update. Yet this forum gave you that on 10th December, and any investor (a) knows how to get an update and (b) knows when statements are issued. If you had a half a brain and watched other sites on the net you’d also quickly figure that, far from investors bailing out, you can trace the evidence that existing investors are accumulating at today’s price. You forget that for every share sold by someone scared, some smarter person is quietly collecting more.
Boy, are you out of your depth!
Let’s be honest Affretage: you don’t trade in shares; you’re not bright enough to invest in anything; your posts are solely designed to undermine a company that you clearly resent, and in doing so you’re happy to take a poke at the whole sector. You must be someone that AP discarded when they found you out to have a smaller brain than you claimed at interview; your holding must have been given you and you haven’t figured out what you’ve got.
And you have a habit of posting again just as this tired thread finally goes to sleep. Have you done anything positive for your employer this year?
I don’t think the aviation community is benefitting from your contributions. Have you thought about a career in politics or estate agency?
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If you cant get a job as a politician or and estate agent why dont you apply to A/P to become a cleaner then you could rummage thru the bins and pick up little scraps of paper..
Or go back to selling Onions
As V12 said I suspect you were ousted out by A/P and have a personal vendetta against them.
You wont win they have more brains in there dirty socks then you ever will..
Give up Sell your shares (If u have any which I doubt) and stop giving A/P a bad name.
Good day this snowy afteroon in England
If you are French then then your whole replys make sense (or not as the case may be)
V12 I suggest we dont even give him the decency to reply to his stupid remarks
If you cant get a job as a politician or and estate agent why dont you apply to A/P to become a cleaner then you could rummage thru the bins and pick up little scraps of paper..
Or go back to selling Onions
As V12 said I suspect you were ousted out by A/P and have a personal vendetta against them.
You wont win they have more brains in there dirty socks then you ever will..
Give up Sell your shares (If u have any which I doubt) and stop giving A/P a bad name.
Good day this snowy afteroon in England
If you are French then then your whole replys make sense (or not as the case may be)
V12 I suggest we dont even give him the decency to reply to his stupid remarks
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You can all relax. I dumped my stocks a while ago. And what a good decision that was !!! AP are very secretive about their prospects, hence my decision to sell. If you guys still own shares, stop being defensive about the whole thing and start selling - that is if anyone is still prepared to buy your shares !!! 
After all, AP's shares have lost 70% of their value in less than a year. What a good investment - NOT !!!!!
At least TM managed to cash in his chips in good time.
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After all, AP's shares have lost 70% of their value in less than a year. What a good investment - NOT !!!!!At least TM managed to cash in his chips in good time.
Salutations
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I Agree with Monkey Boy thank goodness you have sold your shares
I really hope this is the last we will hear from Affretage.
Now you have sold your socks maybe you could go and crush some grapes for the Wine Industry and then may be you could start a thread on the state of the French Wine industry
As Monkey Boy said Au revoir
I really hope this is the last we will hear from Affretage.
Now you have sold your socks maybe you could go and crush some grapes for the Wine Industry and then may be you could start a thread on the state of the French Wine industry
As Monkey Boy said Au revoir
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After all, AP's shares have lost 70% of their value in less than a year.
And even if A/Ps Business is down - thats the reality right now for all brokers and operators.