Vistajet Requirements
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Vistajet Requirements
After sending CV and application to Vistajet,Austria; received an email requesting copies of: current CRM, current Dangerous goods, current Fire Fighting, RVSM and Long Range.
I have none of those! as a high time instructor with no jet experience, and understood that those trainings were normaly provided by the compagny who hire you.
Is it a normal requirement in Austria and Germany, as i seem to understand?
If so, where do we get those completed? (other than in Goeth language, as my german is not up to professional study level)
And last, is it a simple way to weed out unexperience pilot? or the cost of training has been bumped up a notch for professionnal pilot?
I know a previous post requested the same informations, but no reply provided them!!!
I have none of those! as a high time instructor with no jet experience, and understood that those trainings were normaly provided by the compagny who hire you.
Is it a normal requirement in Austria and Germany, as i seem to understand?
If so, where do we get those completed? (other than in Goeth language, as my german is not up to professional study level)
And last, is it a simple way to weed out unexperience pilot? or the cost of training has been bumped up a notch for professionnal pilot?
I know a previous post requested the same informations, but no reply provided them!!!
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I also applied to this company and spent a lot of time scanning the required documents. I had all bar two ... RVSM and Long Range certificates. Having flown a regional turboprop, it's understandable why I didn't have them.
Mrs wasn't happy and wouldn't accept my application without these 2 items !! Oh well ...
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wasn't happy and wouldn't accept my application without these 2 items !! Oh well ...
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Is it my imagination or are Austrian and German bizjet companies the worst in Europe?
Whenever anyone discusses pay and T&C's they're at the budget end of the market with poor rosters. This thread isn't the only one lately where I've heard of them treating applicants badly then today I was told an absolute horror story involving unpaid salary and foundless threats (from an Austrian) company.
Why are they so bad?
Whenever anyone discusses pay and T&C's they're at the budget end of the market with poor rosters. This thread isn't the only one lately where I've heard of them treating applicants badly then today I was told an absolute horror story involving unpaid salary and foundless threats (from an Austrian) company.
Why are they so bad?
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Flintstone, there is a German phrase that broadly applies to modern society in Germany and to a much-lesser extent to Austria. "Neid und Missgunst". It refers to the all-pervasive envy evident in these countries which goes a long way to answering your question. As well as, for example, why owning a private jet is considered a big no-no by the Gesellschaft, even today. 
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Their info regardint Total time required.
What they want from applicants is someone with some time on jets.
Just having a total time of 500-1000 hours is not enough.
I had the same e-mail from this "lady".
Please forward your dangerous etc.
A minute later another e-mail arrived stating: Sorry to inform you that we require applicants that have 500 hours total time (including jet time).
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Just having a total time of 500-1000 hours is not enough.
I had the same e-mail from this "lady".
Please forward your dangerous etc.
A minute later another e-mail arrived stating: Sorry to inform you that we require applicants that have 500 hours total time (including jet time).
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Flintstone:
We germans are gruel - our operas last 3 or 4 days - a certain englishman noted once - so we abide gruelty to our employees.
And Austrians are at nearly germans - they will never admit that, but...
Said gentleman also said: "bloody germans, cant take a yoke!" - never was a truer word spoken!
Doodlebug, bollocks.
Nothing to do with that phrase, the right one is: "geiz ist geil" - roughly to be translated into: "its sexy to be miserly". (Saturn electronics shop slogan)
They (VistaJet) and the like operate for owners, keeping their expense as low as poss makes them a euro.
Now seriously, that seems to be a fancied approach to newbies: they have to have everything and a lot of experience. And it also establishes a great company culture of love and passion for the company.
Maybe they just test if you are willing and prepared to go the extra mile? After paying everything up front yourself you should be deep enough in the debt to do anything they want you to do? Just speculating here, please take note!
@hugofly: try FlightSafety Paris, they might also teach in a language more suitable for you, or maybe an operator that would allow you to sit in their class. Firefighting we had mostly organized by airport firebrigade - try that somewhere close to you.
In germany the cirriculums would have to be approved by the authority first, seems not to be the case in Austria? I would not wonder if they would not care, because: dös is a schaaas.
We germans are gruel - our operas last 3 or 4 days - a certain englishman noted once - so we abide gruelty to our employees.
And Austrians are at nearly germans - they will never admit that, but...
Said gentleman also said: "bloody germans, cant take a yoke!" - never was a truer word spoken!
Doodlebug, bollocks.
Nothing to do with that phrase, the right one is: "geiz ist geil" - roughly to be translated into: "its sexy to be miserly". (Saturn electronics shop slogan)
They (VistaJet) and the like operate for owners, keeping their expense as low as poss makes them a euro.
Now seriously, that seems to be a fancied approach to newbies: they have to have everything and a lot of experience. And it also establishes a great company culture of love and passion for the company.
Maybe they just test if you are willing and prepared to go the extra mile? After paying everything up front yourself you should be deep enough in the debt to do anything they want you to do? Just speculating here, please take note!
@hugofly: try FlightSafety Paris, they might also teach in a language more suitable for you, or maybe an operator that would allow you to sit in their class. Firefighting we had mostly organized by airport firebrigade - try that somewhere close to you.
In germany the cirriculums would have to be approved by the authority first, seems not to be the case in Austria? I would not wonder if they would not care, because: dös is a schaaas.
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I understand the concept of making a profit but I just get the impression that the pay in these two countries is lower than elsewhere and the companies seem to treat their employees and applicants less favourably.
hugofly. If you can't find somewhere nearer home TAG at Farnborough run all the courses you need.
hugofly. If you can't find somewhere nearer home TAG at Farnborough run all the courses you need.
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they're at the budget end of the market with poor rosters
About what NJE has, right?I've worked together with VJ several times this year (not as flight crew or direct company employee but errr.... contracted you could say) and they paid well, paid on time and are friendly folks, both management and crews...
reading your experiences of course makes me think it's not all sunny in Salzburg / Munich / Nuremberg / Vienna
but hey, what company has that right...
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"Geiz ist geil"? Ohne mich! Solch' beschissene Gehaelter und Dienstplaene gibt's ja wirklich NUR in Deutschland. Keiner goennt dem Naechsten was und dadurch sind die Durchschnittsgehaelter ja so ein Albtraum, es ist zum heulen!
But I suspect you're more on my side anyway.
Seriously though: ALL operators need to make their money by keeping their costs low. What is preferable, constantly haemorrhaging dissatisfied crew, or paying well and sticking to promises, thereby saving money substantially in the long-term by retaining satisfied crew willing to go the extra mile for a fair employer?
Treat me well and I'll work like a dog. Most crew I know think the same way.
"Geiz ist geil"? Ohne mich! Solch' beschissene Gehaelter und Dienstplaene gibt's ja wirklich NUR in Deutschland. Keiner goennt dem Naechsten was und dadurch sind die Durchschnittsgehaelter ja so ein Albtraum, es ist zum heulen!
But I suspect you're more on my side anyway.
Seriously though: ALL operators need to make their money by keeping their costs low. What is preferable, constantly haemorrhaging dissatisfied crew, or paying well and sticking to promises, thereby saving money substantially in the long-term by retaining satisfied crew willing to go the extra mile for a fair employer?
Treat me well and I'll work like a dog. Most crew I know think the same way.
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sticking to promises, thereby saving money substantially in the long-term by retaining satisfied crew willing to go the extra mile for a fair employer?
Treat me well and I'll work like a dog. Most crew I know think the same way.
Treat me well and I'll work like a dog. Most crew I know think the same way.
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I should have clarified earlier. Not sniping at Vistajet in particular, spoke to some of their lads just the other day in Vnukovo and they seemed more-or-less happy. I am letting off steam regarding the generally far lower pay and worse conditions on offer throughout Germany and Austria, i.e. all companys, on average. How can a German company offer just 96000/annum, for example, when Global Jet will fork out 132000 for the same job? (And GJ is not the highest payer!)
Oh, and the surprise is great when nobody wants the seat. "Pilot shortage" is trotted out.
Oh, and the surprise is great when nobody wants the seat. "Pilot shortage" is trotted out.
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Hi - what are package at Vistajet for LH. I do not hold copies of all my courses through the years. My MCC was a part of my Sim training/ typerating on a boeing. When I did a fire course, all I did was to sign a "been there" done that - I did not get a copy and it making you look somewhere stupid if you go to your current employer and ask for it - Looking for a new job ? Me ? no no ....
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The reason companies like new hires to have all the certificates is not simply a cost issue but a time one. In the G.A. business it is very common for job vacancies to come up at very short notice. To arrange CRM/RVSM/dangerous goods/Etc/etc/ can take a long time, suitable courses may not be available for weeks as few compaies hold authority to do in house training. Consequently the guy who has the certificates will have an advantage. Under JAR Ops (Now Eu ops) most authorities are cracking down on crews operating without ALL the certificates. (In the old days one could alway ask the CAA nicely for a couple of weeks leeway....not any more!)
It is advisable for all out there to obtain copies from your employer of these certificates for you to keep privately. Some companies may baulk at this but just cite the fact that you are just as responsible for the validity of your certificates as the AOC holder is and you want to keep a personal record.
We took on a guy recently who did have the certificates. It was a great help to us but we still would have employed him if he had not. For companies to make this a condition of employment are probably missing out on a high % of competent people and in my view is a rather arrogant attitude.
By the way, the best provider of these training requirements is TAG at Farnborough. They could do the lot in about 3 days at very reasonabe cost
It is advisable for all out there to obtain copies from your employer of these certificates for you to keep privately. Some companies may baulk at this but just cite the fact that you are just as responsible for the validity of your certificates as the AOC holder is and you want to keep a personal record.
We took on a guy recently who did have the certificates. It was a great help to us but we still would have employed him if he had not. For companies to make this a condition of employment are probably missing out on a high % of competent people and in my view is a rather arrogant attitude.
By the way, the best provider of these training requirements is TAG at Farnborough. They could do the lot in about 3 days at very reasonabe cost
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i also applied at this generous company. as TRE on 320 and 330 and instructor on 340 with 15.000 hrs+ the lady asked me to send copies of dgr, mcc, long range, rvsm etc.
the following conversation with this company was full of ignorance and arrogance
forget the micky mouse operation
by the way, i am german pilot
does anybody knows where airbus pilots are needed for coporate or private operation??
the following conversation with this company was full of ignorance and arrogance
forget the micky mouse operation
by the way, i am german pilot
does anybody knows where airbus pilots are needed for coporate or private operation??
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I too could tell a story of VJ, but won't. Too many told as it is. Why fuel the fire?
Does anyone know of an operator, (besides VJ) looking for a LJ60 Co with quick possibility for an upgrade?
Thanks
Does anyone know of an operator, (besides VJ) looking for a LJ60 Co with quick possibility for an upgrade?
Thanks
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Hold on guys! 
Yes, the pay may or may not be the same as other operators and they may have an unusual requirement to supply documentation on all these mentioned courses. "Arrogant" recruitment people are more or less the industry standard. But to take these "facts" and turn around and say "the following conversation with this company was full of ignorance and arrogance
forget the micky mouse operation" sounds really bad in my ears. I know very little about VJ but reading previous posts and listening to people who have had anything to do with them warrants no such statements or conclusions.
Keep things real guys. If you don't like the sound of an operator that you have applied to, or are in the process of applying to, then send them a polite email stating that you have found another position and would like to withdraw your application. Simple as that.
Good luck to all.
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Yes, the pay may or may not be the same as other operators and they may have an unusual requirement to supply documentation on all these mentioned courses. "Arrogant" recruitment people are more or less the industry standard. But to take these "facts" and turn around and say "the following conversation with this company was full of ignorance and arrogance
forget the micky mouse operation" sounds really bad in my ears. I know very little about VJ but reading previous posts and listening to people who have had anything to do with them warrants no such statements or conclusions.
Keep things real guys. If you don't like the sound of an operator that you have applied to, or are in the process of applying to, then send them a polite email stating that you have found another position and would like to withdraw your application. Simple as that.
Good luck to all.
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Hi aviatn,
try Jetair in Germany. They are currently hiring for L60/XR. They are urgently in need of pilots with experience who can be upgraded right a way when fulfilling their requirements. See below:
JET AIR FLUG GMBH
Contact Information
JET AIR FLUG GMBH
BERNERSTR. 320
ZWEIBRUECKEN, Germany 66482
Tel: 49 633-256-86-80, 49 633 286 39-16 • Fax: 49 633-256-86-820
[email protected]
Good luck and many greetings,
try Jetair in Germany. They are currently hiring for L60/XR. They are urgently in need of pilots with experience who can be upgraded right a way when fulfilling their requirements. See below:
JET AIR FLUG GMBH
Contact Information
JET AIR FLUG GMBH
BERNERSTR. 320
ZWEIBRUECKEN, Germany 66482
Tel: 49 633-256-86-80, 49 633 286 39-16 • Fax: 49 633-256-86-820
[email protected]
Good luck and many greetings,
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"Geiz ist geil"? Ohne mich! Solch' beschissene Gehaelter und Dienstplaene gibt's ja wirklich NUR in Deutschland. Keiner goennt dem Naechsten was und dadurch sind die Durchschnittsgehaelter ja so ein Albtraum, es ist zum heulen!"
Correct, now I leaped the fence into a coorperate, 2 man show. Its way better than before. And I don´t look sideways nor to the greener other side grass. Told the boss what I´m worth, he never debated it really. Should have done that years earlier on.
"But I suspect you're more on my side anyway." Correct again.
Flints, I dunno wether its just the germans, but I think you are right.
Correct, now I leaped the fence into a coorperate, 2 man show. Its way better than before. And I don´t look sideways nor to the greener other side grass. Told the boss what I´m worth, he never debated it really. Should have done that years earlier on.
"But I suspect you're more on my side anyway." Correct again.
Flints, I dunno wether its just the germans, but I think you are right.