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Don't work for Markoss?
If Deep & Fast doesn't (yet) work for Markoss - ex BMI regional it seems and only on Pprune a few months himself - why is he on our blog?
May I ask .... Are you our new Chief Pilot arriving at the turn of the month? Hence your interest in what's going on at Markoss right now. If so, I hope your conversion course has already been paid for, otherwise you'll be joining me on the taxi ranks!
May I ask .... Are you our new Chief Pilot arriving at the turn of the month? Hence your interest in what's going on at Markoss right now. If so, I hope your conversion course has already been paid for, otherwise you'll be joining me on the taxi ranks!
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Dolly mixture
Duck maybe it is time for you to use your powers to moderate some of the comments being made unless done so with proof attached.
It is easy to register in a forum and hide behind an alias then bad mouth anyone you feel embittered against.
I note dolly the sheep still didn't feel she wanted to come out!
Baa baa. Oh and as for deep throat, I'll leave that for you your drivel here is hard enough to swallow
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It is easy to register in a forum and hide behind an alias then bad mouth anyone you feel embittered against.
I note dolly the sheep still didn't feel she wanted to come out!
Baa baa. Oh and as for deep throat, I'll leave that for you your drivel here is hard enough to swallow
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Correction of Inaccuracies
Firstly I think Deep & Fast should be listened to and the moderator needs to remove a number of these unsubstantiated posts.
Firstly I believe the winding up order talked about is for Markoss Aviation Ltd (MAL) NOT Markoss Aviation UK Ltd (MAUK). MAL was a company that was set up and run by Graham Waters for years before MAUK even existed. It accrued a few million in losses over the years (check filings). Perhaps the order isn't that sinister. I suggest Learjet Lad and flyingdolly quantify their statements. Learjet Lad you said you saw the court papers being delivered? Perhaps you could say what they actually said or are you just using the term Markoss to deliberately cause problems for MAUK as few will know about MAL!
Additionally a lot is being made of changes to CP and CTP role but you also say a replacement CP/CTP is due to start with the company. Seems ok to me, perhaps the current incumbents simply wanted to do something else. I think if you ask them they will also tell you they will continue to fly for MAUK so can't be too much bad blood between the parties!!
Tropic Bird you're a pilot with Markoss yet your location is New York??? Remember not many pilots have left MAUK since the CRJ started flying!!
It is time that the 'Professionals' that are posting unquantified statements on this site need to put up with some evidence or retract their posts. It would seem there is enough on here for some to be approached legally.
Flyingdolly, or dillan, or daisy and Learjet Lad or perhaps former helicopter pilot need to do some work.
Airlines are in a tough enough trading environment at the moment and there are PEOPLE involved with them. If you leave the company alone and let it get on with what it is trying to do maybe they will stay in jobs unlike to poor soles from Excel, EOS, Silverjet and the other 70 or so airlines worldwide that have failed this year.
Firstly I believe the winding up order talked about is for Markoss Aviation Ltd (MAL) NOT Markoss Aviation UK Ltd (MAUK). MAL was a company that was set up and run by Graham Waters for years before MAUK even existed. It accrued a few million in losses over the years (check filings). Perhaps the order isn't that sinister. I suggest Learjet Lad and flyingdolly quantify their statements. Learjet Lad you said you saw the court papers being delivered? Perhaps you could say what they actually said or are you just using the term Markoss to deliberately cause problems for MAUK as few will know about MAL!
Additionally a lot is being made of changes to CP and CTP role but you also say a replacement CP/CTP is due to start with the company. Seems ok to me, perhaps the current incumbents simply wanted to do something else. I think if you ask them they will also tell you they will continue to fly for MAUK so can't be too much bad blood between the parties!!
Tropic Bird you're a pilot with Markoss yet your location is New York??? Remember not many pilots have left MAUK since the CRJ started flying!!
It is time that the 'Professionals' that are posting unquantified statements on this site need to put up with some evidence or retract their posts. It would seem there is enough on here for some to be approached legally.
Flyingdolly, or dillan, or daisy and Learjet Lad or perhaps former helicopter pilot need to do some work.
Airlines are in a tough enough trading environment at the moment and there are PEOPLE involved with them. If you leave the company alone and let it get on with what it is trying to do maybe they will stay in jobs unlike to poor soles from Excel, EOS, Silverjet and the other 70 or so airlines worldwide that have failed this year.
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Someone In The Know
Thank you for your post TAC1. Seems like someone is in the know!
So there was a Winding Up Order served, and the resignations are true. Pity that there have been so many denials to get us to this point.
All we need to know is whether our jobs are actually safe and whether Markoss has the money to keep flying.
So there was a Winding Up Order served, and the resignations are true. Pity that there have been so many denials to get us to this point.
All we need to know is whether our jobs are actually safe and whether Markoss has the money to keep flying.
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Learjet lad / TAC1
If you do indeed work for Markoss as you claim to, perhaps it would be better for all of us if you asked in-house about things such as this, rather than air your or so dirty laundry in public on a rumour network hiding behind a pseudonym. I'm happy for it to be known exactly who I am, perhaps you should do the same. If you feel you cannot work without knowing about the bottom line on the blance sheet, perhaps you're in the wrong industry.
TAC1, what a sensible and intelligent man you are!
The bottom line is that Markoss offers a pretty unique product and fills a big void in the UK market for ad-hoc aircraft of this type. What we require is support from the market in these tough times, not consatnt rumours. I know that with the backing of the brokers in this country Markoss will be around for years to come. So come on guys, all pull together in this 'bear market' and support both each other and the industry as a whole until the good times come back round again.
TAC1, what a sensible and intelligent man you are!
The bottom line is that Markoss offers a pretty unique product and fills a big void in the UK market for ad-hoc aircraft of this type. What we require is support from the market in these tough times, not consatnt rumours. I know that with the backing of the brokers in this country Markoss will be around for years to come. So come on guys, all pull together in this 'bear market' and support both each other and the industry as a whole until the good times come back round again.
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A little clarification
I have watched with interest over the past week some of the postings made. For obvious reasons I have stood back without comment.
However some of the comments made by Tomo, Tac 1 alias ex MD, and D & F are misleading, Tac 1 says that the winding up order served on MAL is insignificant, we'll see.
However some of the comments made by Tomo, Tac 1 alias ex MD, and D & F are misleading, Tac 1 says that the winding up order served on MAL is insignificant, we'll see.
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Well our cheques have bounced, and we've gone from natwest to barclays..not sure why?? but have now been paid .. albeit a week late though.
Can't help but think the winding up petition has something to do with it.
Anyone know whats going on?
Can't help but think the winding up petition has something to do with it.
Anyone know whats going on?
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clocks are ticking
Seems the winding up petition on 'MAL' could be rather more significant for 'MAUK' than tac1 would like us to believe.
Tommo, loved your marketing strategy....oops sorry your group rallying speech, was that for the employees or for the brokers???,then again it wasn't the brokers who had their pay cheques bounce.
Will there be enough time for the good times to return, hope the creditors will be that patient and a tad understanding,maybe they have read your advertising campaign....oops sorry there I go again, your "ralying speech" and feel reassured that all is good at BHQ. you may have pulled that one off... but I'm not really a betting man.
Markoss was a unique company that held a good reputation however this was well before the time of the current owner,seems to me that since the change of ownership at Markoss there has been nothing but doom and gloom. Really Tommo, you should have concentrated on history at school as it seems this is one of your weakest subjects, along with maths!
Tommo, loved your marketing strategy....oops sorry your group rallying speech, was that for the employees or for the brokers???,then again it wasn't the brokers who had their pay cheques bounce.
Will there be enough time for the good times to return, hope the creditors will be that patient and a tad understanding,maybe they have read your advertising campaign....oops sorry there I go again, your "ralying speech" and feel reassured that all is good at BHQ. you may have pulled that one off... but I'm not really a betting man.
Markoss was a unique company that held a good reputation however this was well before the time of the current owner,seems to me that since the change of ownership at Markoss there has been nothing but doom and gloom. Really Tommo, you should have concentrated on history at school as it seems this is one of your weakest subjects, along with maths!
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hopefully the potential investor has now been released from police custody and could still save the day! maybe even be willing to pick up this months salary run... you never know
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Oh look! Two new pprune joiners this month to have a dig a Markoss!
I thought off her trolly dolly was only a schizophrenic but it would seem she may have a few more alter egos.
D and F
I thought off her trolly dolly was only a schizophrenic but it would seem she may have a few more alter egos.
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Oh dear deep throat, you really do have a bit of a wild imagination, however not surprising what a sad little fellow you are, just seing you logged onto this site as often as you are, you clearly do not have a life! so try and do yourself a favour this christmas and take a few minutes off of this site to write to santa asking if he would find you one 
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I do pprune a bit, that is a fair point! Thing is that unlike you I am a positive individual and it irritates when people moan and slag off people and companies to further a personal agenda.
It is also obvious that someone who posts straight away after joining in a negative manner is not the best form of information.
Pissed of ex employees or friends of is normally the case.
D and F
It is also obvious that someone who posts straight away after joining in a negative manner is not the best form of information.
Pissed of ex employees or friends of is normally the case.
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D & F "Oh look! Two new pprune joiners this month to have a dig a Markoss!"
I am not having a dig at all, my comments are fact, and it is not unreasonable to wonder what is going on?
D & F "Thing is that unlike you I am a positive individual"
Crikey D & F, reading through your posts, you have an unusual concept of being positive? Sticking your head in the sand, denying that there is a problem and making confrontational remarks are all your way of being positive?
I am not having a dig at all, my comments are fact, and it is not unreasonable to wonder what is going on?
D & F "Thing is that unlike you I am a positive individual"
Crikey D & F, reading through your posts, you have an unusual concept of being positive? Sticking your head in the sand, denying that there is a problem and making confrontational remarks are all your way of being positive?
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Not to have a dig at anyone. I just think all of you should have the facts. The assualt is true, its easy to check. The accused is as advertised, the potential saviour of Markoss, get his name and check him out, simple. The witnesses are as stated. All this is easy to validate and the sooner the better I would think. Life in aviation is not getting any easier and this kind of behaviour is not going to hep. If Markoss is to float with all its good folks it needs to be done with upstanding people using outstanding principles.
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Come on everyone, if you pay your staff by cheque and it then bounces that is almost criminality.
Surely if they are in the mess that it seems then the check the bank account every day.
As for the investor, if he hadnt been nicked by Kents finest, it may not have all come out that he is a wanted man!!!
What a mess.
Surely if they are in the mess that it seems then the check the bank account every day.
As for the investor, if he hadnt been nicked by Kents finest, it may not have all come out that he is a wanted man!!!
What a mess.
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The significance of the winding up petition
Well, I think it’s time for a little more clarification as to what’s been going on.
I did put a winding up petition in on MAL, why?
Because I refuse to continue to allow my house to be used as part security for the companies banking facilities moving forward any longer.
I cannot comment further regarding the removal of myself from the company and my shareholding as this is part of ongoing legal proceedings, except I will say that I was keen to resolve the issues through mediation, but the other side pulled out 3 days before the hearing.
I was responsible for the introduction of an investor in June who was prepared to invest significantly in the company to provide a secure future for all, which included the addition of new aircraft. However as no conclusion had been reached regarding my removal from the company this investor refused to invest.
As a result of the winding up petition the bank has frozen the bank account of MAL and its credit cards hence the payment problems as there is a cross guarantee between MAUK and MAL for the facilities that MAL has provided to MAUK.
I hope this clarifies and provides a little more understanding as to why the winding up petition was served.
I hope that the present managerial team at MAUK choose to resolve these outstanding issues and give back Markoss the reputation that I built up over the last 13 yrs.
I did put a winding up petition in on MAL, why?
Because I refuse to continue to allow my house to be used as part security for the companies banking facilities moving forward any longer.
I cannot comment further regarding the removal of myself from the company and my shareholding as this is part of ongoing legal proceedings, except I will say that I was keen to resolve the issues through mediation, but the other side pulled out 3 days before the hearing.
I was responsible for the introduction of an investor in June who was prepared to invest significantly in the company to provide a secure future for all, which included the addition of new aircraft. However as no conclusion had been reached regarding my removal from the company this investor refused to invest.
As a result of the winding up petition the bank has frozen the bank account of MAL and its credit cards hence the payment problems as there is a cross guarantee between MAUK and MAL for the facilities that MAL has provided to MAUK.
I hope this clarifies and provides a little more understanding as to why the winding up petition was served.
I hope that the present managerial team at MAUK choose to resolve these outstanding issues and give back Markoss the reputation that I built up over the last 13 yrs.
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Bouncing Cheques
Bouncing cheques like happened this week isfraudulent. F R A U D, nothing more, nothing less.
Either Markoss can pay its bills or it can lie, cheat, mislead, deceive and commit fraud- defined as a criminal offence. Bouncing cheques also causes distress for everyone, staff and suppliers - causing problems at home with wives, girlfriends and bank managers who decide not to meet direct debits for mortgages, cars and loans. Again to my mind no openness and honesty whatsoever from any of those at the top, including Tommojonm and tac1.
I said I would be off if this was the case. I am on my way. Markoss is dead, what with people in the office stealing documents and taking copies home and trying to set up yet another new company from the dust (by the way, some of these actions are potentially crimiinal too).
All those ppruners who have tried to mislead us into thinking everything was rosy, shame on you for your lies. Those who have been honest and rocked the boat, whatever their motives, thank you.
Either Markoss can pay its bills or it can lie, cheat, mislead, deceive and commit fraud- defined as a criminal offence. Bouncing cheques also causes distress for everyone, staff and suppliers - causing problems at home with wives, girlfriends and bank managers who decide not to meet direct debits for mortgages, cars and loans. Again to my mind no openness and honesty whatsoever from any of those at the top, including Tommojonm and tac1.
I said I would be off if this was the case. I am on my way. Markoss is dead, what with people in the office stealing documents and taking copies home and trying to set up yet another new company from the dust (by the way, some of these actions are potentially crimiinal too).
All those ppruners who have tried to mislead us into thinking everything was rosy, shame on you for your lies. Those who have been honest and rocked the boat, whatever their motives, thank you.
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This is just amazingly shoddy, and a sad end to a company that had great potential.
Latest thing that has emerged today is that they are trying to offload the Hangar and offices (which must surely be leased?) and by all accounts there are several interested parties.
If this is true, just exactly WHERE are they going to be based??????
Latest thing that has emerged today is that they are trying to offload the Hangar and offices (which must surely be leased?) and by all accounts there are several interested parties.
If this is true, just exactly WHERE are they going to be based??????