Netjets Europe Face Court Case Over Tax & Social Security
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Red,
to re phrase...
you and others in the past have suggested a p.a. flight hours fig of around 450 (though contracted to max of 900 iirc).
Recently, there have been a few (snide?) posts about fewer hours for NJE crews this year.
There have also been some (snide?) posts about NJE over recruiting last year.
So, can you comment as to if your current (seasonally adjusted ) hours are up down or sideways from last year, year before etc?
Are there lots of crews on gardening leave/stand by etc (ie too many), is there overtime if you want it?
Any idea about other fleets too?
Cheers
iX
to re phrase...
you and others in the past have suggested a p.a. flight hours fig of around 450 (though contracted to max of 900 iirc).
Recently, there have been a few (snide?) posts about fewer hours for NJE crews this year.
There have also been some (snide?) posts about NJE over recruiting last year.
So, can you comment as to if your current (seasonally adjusted ) hours are up down or sideways from last year, year before etc?
Are there lots of crews on gardening leave/stand by etc (ie too many), is there overtime if you want it?
Any idea about other fleets too?
Cheers
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Hmmm, I have no stakes in NJ, nor am I against them, nor do I know the french tax office personally.
What I do know though, is the german tax office. And they plainly suck. I went to my local office and asked them a lot of questions when I started to work for a Luxembourg based operator. What I got was a lot of drivel, and, serious, no kiddin: if you need this information youŽll have to send a formal letter and you WILL BE CHARGED FOR THE ANSWER.
Europe needs to do a lot of homework before we can call it united. It just sucks.
If the french are a bit like the germans (taxwise that is), then it is clear why NJ is in court.
Now back to topic...
What I do know though, is the german tax office. And they plainly suck. I went to my local office and asked them a lot of questions when I started to work for a Luxembourg based operator. What I got was a lot of drivel, and, serious, no kiddin: if you need this information youŽll have to send a formal letter and you WILL BE CHARGED FOR THE ANSWER.
Europe needs to do a lot of homework before we can call it united. It just sucks.
If the french are a bit like the germans (taxwise that is), then it is clear why NJ is in court.
Now back to topic...
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Thanks ix, that made me laugh
I posed (polite) questions based on first hand knowledge whereas your involvement in Netjets or indeed the bizjet world is based upon......... what? Just remind us of your experience in this field please
I think your weight loss regime is making you a bit snappy and short tempered.
Four Green. Dead right. For the benefit of all concerned it needs clarification. If the tax and SS arrangement is all clear and above board then great. If it's not then the French contingent will find themselves struggling at retirement. I have no doubt the case being brought by the operator contains an element of revenge or malice but if it takes something like this to 'shine the light in dark places' as one of your more.......flamboyant colleagues has been heard to say then so be it. Better now than later.
PS. ix. If it's malice and nasties you want search a few of the older NJE threads. You ain't seen nothin yet sunshine.
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You could argue that NJE keeps hiring crews and buying aircraft so no one else can have them...........................................
As for crews being short of flights at the moment, yes. It has been a quiet year so far.
As for crews being short of flights at the moment, yes. It has been a quiet year so far.
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Snidex2
Thanks ix, that made me laugh
- then you say
PS. ix. If it's malice and nasties you want search a few of the older NJE threads. You ain't seen nothin yet sunshine.
Snidex2
Thanks ix, that made me laugh
- then you say
PS. ix. If it's malice and nasties you want search a few of the older NJE threads. You ain't seen nothin yet sunshine.
I posed (polite) questions based on first hand knowledge whereas your involvement in Netjets or indeed the bizjet world is based upon......... what? Just remind us of your experience in this field please
Who said they weren't polite?
As for me, I'm a currently a wanabee. (assuming your still reading) I passed OASC and went uni and IT. I've now got the cash needed, the wife earns 6 figures and I can work in the EU or the US (the Wife's a septic) so I can take my pick of my routes to a fatpl...
HOWEVER, NJE's cadet scheme through OAA is damn good value, minimal risk and by most accounts the resulting job is not too bad as low hour jobs go. - all in all low risk.
BUT the tax issue is relevant; I lost out with IR35 (brought in effectively as an IT contractor's tax) and so want to know the risks with working for an EU country other than my own!
I think your weight loss regime is making you a bit snappy and short tempered.
PS. ix. If it's malice and nasties you want search a few of the older NJE threads. You ain't seen nothin yet sunshine.
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Originally Posted by insecurity complex touring
".....the wife earns 6 figures...."
Ahem. Can anyone tell me what the relevance is of Mrs ix touring's pay packet to the matter in hand? Anyone?
No?
Well I confess to being lost there too. Unless of course there's been an outbreak of........ (dramatic chords) DAN DAN DANNNNN!!!! Willy waving
Where's 3Greens? At least he never brings a fart to a sh!tfight
Waaaayyyyyyyy too touchy ix. Lighten up
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Tax issues are in this thread. If you're in the UK, then you pay the normal tax and NI like any other PAYE person in the UK. Other places pay tax in Portugal (20%) and NI in the UK.
The other questions you (ix_touring) can be found in the thread I've highlighted.
If you can't find it.
Overtime. Not in the classic sense, but you can work extra days. Max 6 per year. (no, I don't remember the remuneration)
Hours flown have reduced over the last couple of years. Probably because there's a lot less positioning flights now. You won't do the same hours that a lo-co new hire will do.
Standby. A bit more than used to be. I just put it down to training and I am not a trainer...
Do search the NetJets Europe website as well as OAA for the course details.
The other questions you (ix_touring) can be found in the thread I've highlighted.
If you can't find it.
Overtime. Not in the classic sense, but you can work extra days. Max 6 per year. (no, I don't remember the remuneration)
Hours flown have reduced over the last couple of years. Probably because there's a lot less positioning flights now. You won't do the same hours that a lo-co new hire will do.
Standby. A bit more than used to be. I just put it down to training and I am not a trainer...
Do search the NetJets Europe website as well as OAA for the course details.
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"Why? What a strange thing to write. That's exactly as it should be so why should I or anyone else be bothered about it?"
You have been banging on about this very subject for I don't know how many years, now the situation has been righted and legalised I thought you would have rejoiced, hence my comment.
Sorry to seem strange and perhaps I am.
"Why? What a strange thing to write. That's exactly as it should be so why should I or anyone else be bothered about it?"
You have been banging on about this very subject for I don't know how many years, now the situation has been righted and legalised I thought you would have rejoiced, hence my comment.
Sorry to seem strange and perhaps I am.
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S,
Willy waving ... err no, after all Mrs iX has no willy!
BUT you did ask what my back ground was etc... and I answered (I
realise someone answering one of your questions open and frankly is unusual!).
Red, re the relevance of the OT/stand-bys etc. Are they not related to remuneration and therefore tax?
And yes I have read lots of the other posts/sites, however, they are often rather old...
Anyway, back to the thread (apologies for the creep)...
So those who are based in France, how are they [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']currently[/FONT] taxed/NI'd? (and why is this upsetting the locals?)
iX
Willy waving ... err no, after all Mrs iX has no willy!
BUT you did ask what my back ground was etc... and I answered (I
realise someone answering one of your questions open and frankly is unusual!).
Red, re the relevance of the OT/stand-bys etc. Are they not related to remuneration and therefore tax?
And yes I have read lots of the other posts/sites, however, they are often rather old...
Anyway, back to the thread (apologies for the creep)...
So those who are based in France, how are they [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']currently[/FONT] taxed/NI'd? (and why is this upsetting the locals?)
iX
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ix,
Whether you're on standby or not, your salary remains the same. The only thing that changes is whether or not you're on home standby or hotel/hot spare standby. If you're at home, you don't get the per diems. The per diems (or allowances) are tax exempt.
OT is extra days flying. That's taxed at the normal rate.
Whether you're on standby or not, your salary remains the same. The only thing that changes is whether or not you're on home standby or hotel/hot spare standby. If you're at home, you don't get the per diems. The per diems (or allowances) are tax exempt.
OT is extra days flying. That's taxed at the normal rate.
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Originally Posted by joehunt
You have been banging on about this very subject for I don't know how many years, now the situation has been righted and legalised I thought you would have rejoiced, hence my comment.
See?
ix. Oh dear.
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Oh I was not aware sanity previalled on the FDL's issue at NJE. Well I hhave been accused of being a bit s l o w. Thanks for giving me the heads up. Just goes to show, if one nags long enough they will do something, FDL's.
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work!
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Aye, but you have to keep nagging them and dragging the topic out into the open. Your resident shaman might use some odd phraseology but he has the right idea. Mad as a box of frogs though, bless him.
Lots of aspects better at NJE than they once were and those would not have changed without some publicity and the threat of crew unity (don't be fooled by the employee survey either, it's a con to buy time). If it gets much better I might come back
Lots of aspects better at NJE than they once were and those would not have changed without some publicity and the threat of crew unity (don't be fooled by the employee survey either, it's a con to buy time). If it gets much better I might come back
