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Ours is a new company flying citations (CJ2) and hawkers (850XP), and local regulations ensure we take mostly local first officers than source anyone, ideally that is a great scenario but unfortunately we have virtually no qualified FOs but rather only 25o hr fresh CPL holders as trainee FOs and most of them seems to be havin a tough time getting through their training at Farnborough, FSI etc. .... that leaves me on the hunt for other schools who have great quality standards yet give them adequate training to bring em up to standards.... any advice ?? recommendations ?? 
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Why FSI Farnborough? They are very expensive for starters. Unless of course you had trouble booking them into the USA. Has the new company got access to limitless funds?
I would never have sent them to anywhere in Europe for training. FSI USA is where I would have sent them. The instructors are better and more experienced in the main, and they cut out a lot of BS, even the JAA approved schools. K.I.S.S (Keep it simple!!)
Yes, Captains criterion is different. What are you looking for in your F/O's "aces"? Or someone who can perform to a reasonable safe standard, do the job get the a/c down in one piece, should there be incapacitation in the LHS.
They cannot expect too much from a young 250hour pilot, just out of school.
I would never have sent them to anywhere in Europe for training. FSI USA is where I would have sent them. The instructors are better and more experienced in the main, and they cut out a lot of BS, even the JAA approved schools. K.I.S.S (Keep it simple!!)
Yes, Captains criterion is different. What are you looking for in your F/O's "aces"? Or someone who can perform to a reasonable safe standard, do the job get the a/c down in one piece, should there be incapacitation in the LHS.
They cannot expect too much from a young 250hour pilot, just out of school.
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Agree with you to a certain extent, but if you think that FSi at KICT is without BS then you need to be rethinking big time. Having done KSAT,KICT,KMCO in the last 18 months I can vouch for that
FSI FBO is just short of instructors, dont think that there is a great problem with the ones that they have.
We have JAA guys at 250hrs flying 73's! Not that I'm a fan of that, but its the raw material that is the difference here
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Would suggest that its the schooling up to 250 hours that you need to improve on, if guys are failing factory training then there is little point sending them for a drive by rating somewhere else, you will just start their career with bad habits.
Suggest that you speak to Fsi and see if the course could be expanded a little, perhaps a bit of pre school sim time or more systems integration, the cost could be reasonable.
Agree with you to a certain extent, but if you think that FSi at KICT is without BS then you need to be rethinking big time. Having done KSAT,KICT,KMCO in the last 18 months I can vouch for that
FSI FBO is just short of instructors, dont think that there is a great problem with the ones that they have.
We have JAA guys at 250hrs flying 73's! Not that I'm a fan of that, but its the raw material that is the difference here
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Would suggest that its the schooling up to 250 hours that you need to improve on, if guys are failing factory training then there is little point sending them for a drive by rating somewhere else, you will just start their career with bad habits.
Suggest that you speak to Fsi and see if the course could be expanded a little, perhaps a bit of pre school sim time or more systems integration, the cost could be reasonable.
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Why FSI Farnborough?
They could use Emirates-CAE Flight Training at Dubai for the H800, much closer.
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I would reccomend Airways Flight Training in Exeter, they are the school that the RAF reccomend for pilots convirting their licences, they also have moduar students most of which do very well. It is run by retired Cathay, BA, Virgin and RAF training Capts all with very high standards and years of both instruction and flying.
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Our company policy is to take on guys with 200-250 hours and train them on the Hawker. Since changing to CAE in Dubai we have not had any problems with the conversions.
The advantage of CAE over Flight Safety.
1/ 3 week course instead of 2 weeks. 2 weeks is tooo rushed for new guys
2/ None of the aweful FAA stuff (they taught that one had to land with 2,000 lbs of fuel on board.. Hell we take off with less on occassions!)
3/ Cheaper
4/ Great instructers
5/ Better weather.
6/ Free Club class tickets to Dubai
reviewing the above connot understand why anyone goes to FSI
Our company policy is to take on guys with 200-250 hours and train them on the Hawker. Since changing to CAE in Dubai we have not had any problems with the conversions.
The advantage of CAE over Flight Safety.
1/ 3 week course instead of 2 weeks. 2 weeks is tooo rushed for new guys
2/ None of the aweful FAA stuff (they taught that one had to land with 2,000 lbs of fuel on board.. Hell we take off with less on occassions!)
3/ Cheaper
4/ Great instructers
5/ Better weather.
6/ Free Club class tickets to Dubai
reviewing the above connot understand why anyone goes to FSI
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thank you all for your inputs .. we have been having more trouble with the trainee FOs on the CJ2s than the hawkers. For the Hawkers CAE seems just fine... Got to see who else(schools) is out there for the CJ2.
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Have you called Simuflite in Dallas, TX? They are able to do the JAA license. Check out the website at www.caesimuflite.com. With the Euro at 2 to 1 to the Dollar, the type should be a bargain.
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I've had unenthusiastic reports from some of my lower houred colleagues who did TRs stateside with FSI. Mainly citing more attention required on technical systems, and nurturing their command functions while PF. It is possible to find 250hrs FOs who are furnished with the necessaries to routinely make themselves very useful indeed on the flight deck of a small or large jet.
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ECFT (CAE) Dubai by a long shot for the Hawkers. I'd highly recommend it. Good instructors, good client services team etc. etc.
Not sure about the biz class seats though. I'm stuck in cattle class with about four crying babies!
Not sure about the biz class seats though. I'm stuck in cattle class with about four crying babies!
