Vnukovo Madness!!
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I remember going to V2 in our Lear 35 about 1988. No (mis )handling agent to bu...er
you about. You went into the terminal and paid the fees to a very robust lady behind some equally robust iron bars. I think the total bill was about $101 (Give them 2 x $100 and they had no change even though you could see a stack of 20's)
The other thing I remember is that the staff (customs, police,airport etc) were mostly "ladies" with dyed blond buffont hair and bright red lipstick smeared on from nose to chin. Aaaah those were the days, when you could get get insulted for a mere hundred bucks!
you about. You went into the terminal and paid the fees to a very robust lady behind some equally robust iron bars. I think the total bill was about $101 (Give them 2 x $100 and they had no change even though you could see a stack of 20's)
The other thing I remember is that the staff (customs, police,airport etc) were mostly "ladies" with dyed blond buffont hair and bright red lipstick smeared on from nose to chin. Aaaah those were the days, when you could get get insulted for a mere hundred bucks!
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Vnukovo and russia in general remind me of the movie Ground Hog Day. The same day repeats over and over again.
Been based there for 3 years now, nothing has changed except now fewer aircraft operating out of Vnukovo, sat there for 5 hours on a Friday evening not too long ago, only 3 arrivals and departures. oh yea and no stand by when asking for start clearance.
Been based there for 3 years now, nothing has changed except now fewer aircraft operating out of Vnukovo, sat there for 5 hours on a Friday evening not too long ago, only 3 arrivals and departures. oh yea and no stand by when asking for start clearance.
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Based there since 1.5 years and I have to agree.Getting very quite there.Too quite.
Nearly no more "stand by" for hrs like last summer.Still the same"we do not have immigration permission received yet" but hey,what else can we expect.
Lots of A/C moving
to Riga to safe the outrageouse parking fees.But instead of realizing
what is going on and reducing fees to keep operators there what do they do?? They INCREASE fees even more.Nothing learned in last 20 years about
free market and buiz environment.
Greets from Riga , Andi
Nearly no more "stand by" for hrs like last summer.Still the same"we do not have immigration permission received yet" but hey,what else can we expect.
Lots of A/C moving
to Riga to safe the outrageouse parking fees.But instead of realizing
what is going on and reducing fees to keep operators there what do they do?? They INCREASE fees even more.Nothing learned in last 20 years about
free market and buiz environment.
Greets from Riga , Andi
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Riga is a nice place, very efficient handling and decent catering too. Crew of 3 in the Raddison (100 euro a day), per diem (100 euro a day) and parking (265 euro a day)was 865 euro a day. Even being a permanent tenant at Vnukovo it was still far less expensive to stay in Riga. Only thing that really sux in Riga is the exchange rate and bar tabs.
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Been In Vnukovo lately late late night.We had planned a short fuel stop (500 liters only),toilett service,Wx,Flight plan and unloading (hehe) our FA and passengers before heading of again to our new "parking position" at different airport.We planed about 60 min for that stop.Deep inside we expected at least 90 minutes minimum.
After 30 min we were looking at each other astoned and could not believe what just had happend to us. For the first time in 1.5 years we were fully ready to go again.(Not cuz we are snail flight but for obviouse reasons at V3)
"Ahh,hang on" we thought,catch 22 with immigration service as usuall.
Just nipping on my coffee and requesting clearance and start up a nice calm
male voice replyed in 3 seconds: VP... ,cleared to ur destination via flight plan route,expect....departure,after passing 200m..... climb.... contact 126.0,
sqwak XXYY, start up approved!!
I nearly spitt my coffee all ova da place and we both thought we were in heaven or different space.What the f.... just happend??
We had no idea and even did not bother to find out. "Lets get the hell ouda here before smth else happens" we thought.
10 min later we took off!!
The end of the story is: Once upon a time........
Now I know that those stories that my mum told me when I was very young
are REAL!!!
Keep it up Vnukovo,you are slowly improving and getting better.
I rate you that late night 5 out of 10!!!!!!!!!!!
(only 5 cuz I still can not believe what happend
Good night to all of you,hope I did not bore you toooo much.
Andi
After 30 min we were looking at each other astoned and could not believe what just had happend to us. For the first time in 1.5 years we were fully ready to go again.(Not cuz we are snail flight but for obviouse reasons at V3)
"Ahh,hang on" we thought,catch 22 with immigration service as usuall.
Just nipping on my coffee and requesting clearance and start up a nice calm
male voice replyed in 3 seconds: VP... ,cleared to ur destination via flight plan route,expect....departure,after passing 200m..... climb.... contact 126.0,
sqwak XXYY, start up approved!!
I nearly spitt my coffee all ova da place and we both thought we were in heaven or different space.What the f.... just happend??
We had no idea and even did not bother to find out. "Lets get the hell ouda here before smth else happens" we thought.
10 min later we took off!!
The end of the story is: Once upon a time........
Now I know that those stories that my mum told me when I was very young
are REAL!!!
Keep it up Vnukovo,you are slowly improving and getting better.
I rate you that late night 5 out of 10!!!!!!!!!!!
(only 5 cuz I still can not believe what happend
Good night to all of you,hope I did not bore you toooo much.
Andi
My contacts in Moscow tell me that Mayor Luzhkov has recently announced big plans to turn Vnukovo into a full VIP airport, with major investment in terminals, infrastructure, etc. I don't know whether to be pleased or petrified!
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they have surely NOT woken up totally (not even half) .They take ages to realize what is going on.
We left V3 few weeks ago and pay just a fraction now on parking fees at different airport.
We left V3 few weeks ago and pay just a fraction now on parking fees at different airport.
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Hey Hawker 750,
I dont think I can really help because we go to Riga (EVRA) and I guess your
pax want to land in Moscow.However,if you calculate 4 days fees in V3 (some 1200 Euros per day as far as I know) and calculate 1hr flight to and 1hr back to V3 you might be better of doing that after unloading pax and ferry.
Fuel prices in Riga are about twice as cheap as in V3 according to our OPS.
Handling there is very good and switched on.
According to handling in V3 all other airports around Moscow have some sort of agreement about prices.Dont know if that is true or not.
Greets from Nice
I dont think I can really help because we go to Riga (EVRA) and I guess your
pax want to land in Moscow.However,if you calculate 4 days fees in V3 (some 1200 Euros per day as far as I know) and calculate 1hr flight to and 1hr back to V3 you might be better of doing that after unloading pax and ferry.
Fuel prices in Riga are about twice as cheap as in V3 according to our OPS.
Handling there is very good and switched on.
According to handling in V3 all other airports around Moscow have some sort of agreement about prices.Dont know if that is true or not.
Greets from Nice
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Thanks for that, am trying to avoid ferry flight but it may be the answer and Riga a lot nicer that Moscow. Am trying to find out about UUMO Ostafyevo, this lists as H24 with Customs. Have google earthed it and it looks OK but I cannot find anyone who has actualy used it. Is there any one who can give some info on prices atc?
Thanks for that, am trying to avoid ferry flight but it may be the answer and Riga a lot nicer that Moscow. Am trying to find out about UUMO Ostafyevo, this lists as H24 with Customs. Have google earthed it and it looks OK but I cannot find anyone who has actualy used it. Is there any one who can give some info on prices atc?
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I think you could get any information by phone listed on this site!
Ostafyevo
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Rinat Khakimov
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I think you could get any information by phone listed on this site!
Ostafyevo
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Rinat Khakimov
[email protected]
+7 903 729 8705
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I am reading all your comments with big question marks in my eyes. I am flying in and out of uuww for 5 years now, and besides the terrible high prices, i have to say that the handling over there is really one of the best handlings i ever experienced.
Okay, the problem with the government flights is still there. Also, you have to know that it doesnt make sense to call for startup when your door is not closed and the securityguy wasnt there to get his signatures.
But all in all, i cannot complain about uuww.
I think they improved a lot in the past 5 years and the only really annoying thing is the prices over there.
But of course i can only talk about my experiences with Vipport and my company.
Regards
FLYDUS
Okay, the problem with the government flights is still there. Also, you have to know that it doesnt make sense to call for startup when your door is not closed and the securityguy wasnt there to get his signatures.
But all in all, i cannot complain about uuww.
I think they improved a lot in the past 5 years and the only really annoying thing is the prices over there.
But of course i can only talk about my experiences with Vipport and my company.
Regards
FLYDUS
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Today at VKO - from request to startup 2h10minutes, passengers onboard for 2h10min flight. Sweeet. It always surprises me, that 3times of 5, is everything ok. You got your clearances, etc.. And the famous 2 times of 5.. we do not have any information about your flight, but your squawk is....., we dont have your flight plan at the system, contact your representative.. or wait couple minutes and call me again.. then i got you in the system..
Well. At least we got paid for it. And as one of our owners says, that he prefers to wait couple of hours in aircraft, drink G&T and chat with girls, than sit in a car and drive from center to Sheremetjevo 2 hours if he is lucky.
About UUMO. Been there, relatively short field, only one ILS, due VKO and UUDD zones got really strange vectors usually, when on vectors from VKO radar got clearance at VKO QFE, when Ostafjevo tower, their own QFE.
During landing you will not see the other end of runway, PAPI usually out of order runway quality is bad.
Have heard, that they might clear you to ILS approach, but forgot to switch ILS on. Handling are very friendly and helpful, so are customs.
And your pax will love to wait in their car behind the railway crossing around 1h, plus usual traffic madness - there is no proper highway from and to UUMO. So, its a bit easier for pilot, but pax usually hate that place.
Well. At least we got paid for it. And as one of our owners says, that he prefers to wait couple of hours in aircraft, drink G&T and chat with girls, than sit in a car and drive from center to Sheremetjevo 2 hours if he is lucky.
About UUMO. Been there, relatively short field, only one ILS, due VKO and UUDD zones got really strange vectors usually, when on vectors from VKO radar got clearance at VKO QFE, when Ostafjevo tower, their own QFE.
During landing you will not see the other end of runway, PAPI usually out of order runway quality is bad.
Have heard, that they might clear you to ILS approach, but forgot to switch ILS on. Handling are very friendly and helpful, so are customs.
And your pax will love to wait in their car behind the railway crossing around 1h, plus usual traffic madness - there is no proper highway from and to UUMO. So, its a bit easier for pilot, but pax usually hate that place.
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Welcome to former Soviet Union!!!! having been in VKO for a while but never had to wait more than 2 hours, once a friend waited 6 hours because TU154 slided of rwy, thatīs it. Looks like things are getting worst.