Vnukovo Madness!!
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Agree with all of the above...........anyone else noticed the Russian F£ckwit fuellers happily smoking as they refuel?
I personally have concluded that the chance of getting an ATC controller who has not been on the vodka at less than 50%.........
I HATE the place.
I personally have concluded that the chance of getting an ATC controller who has not been on the vodka at less than 50%.........
I HATE the place.
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Tiny Tim:
If that is the case, then go somewhere else. There is always good and bad in every area that you work. I operated for six years in Far Eastern Russia with very little problem.
Happy flying!
Tmb
If that is the case, then go somewhere else. There is always good and bad in every area that you work. I operated for six years in Far Eastern Russia with very little problem.
Happy flying!
Tmb
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Hi! I'm sorry for certain Russian personnel BUT i dont think that ATC controllers could be loaded! Your statement looks like not quite is professional!
P.S. Sorry for poor English.
With respect from Russia, Saint-Petersburg
P.S. Sorry for poor English.
With respect from Russia, Saint-Petersburg
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Aviaservice.
Have I missed something? Who said the controllers were "loaded" (by which I assume you mean drunk)? The refuelers on the other hand, oh yes. Smoking while filling up an aircraft seems to be compulsory and as for the other comments about Vnukovo I wholeheartedly agree. The place is a joke and if I never have to go there again it will be too soon.
Have I missed something? Who said the controllers were "loaded" (by which I assume you mean drunk)? The refuelers on the other hand, oh yes. Smoking while filling up an aircraft seems to be compulsory and as for the other comments about Vnukovo I wholeheartedly agree. The place is a joke and if I never have to go there again it will be too soon.
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Tinytim wrote:
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I personally have concluded that the chance of getting an ATC controller who has not been on the vodka at less than 50%.........
Don't drunk! If i understood above right.
I exclude probability that ATC controllers is drinking while standing sentinel!
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I personally have concluded that the chance of getting an ATC controller who has not been on the vodka at less than 50%.........
Don't drunk! If i understood above right.
I exclude probability that ATC controllers is drinking while standing sentinel!
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Forgive me but doesn't the title of this thread say something? There are pages and pages proving the madness that is Vnukovo!
No, people shouldn't generalise but Vnukovo is a joke! It's not just the obvious things but the whole ethos in the Moscow area. For starters, everything is ridiculously expensive...$100 for some cheap old sandwiches and a couple of cokes inside the Very 'Impotent' Person's terminal...Why do people think they can charge such ridiculous prices? The rest of Moscow is not much better.
As for the STANDBY craziness without any Notams and the general attitude of the people at Vnukovo...it takes the P*ss!
No, people shouldn't generalise but Vnukovo is a joke! It's not just the obvious things but the whole ethos in the Moscow area. For starters, everything is ridiculously expensive...$100 for some cheap old sandwiches and a couple of cokes inside the Very 'Impotent' Person's terminal...Why do people think they can charge such ridiculous prices? The rest of Moscow is not much better.
As for the STANDBY craziness without any Notams and the general attitude of the people at Vnukovo...it takes the P*ss!
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In Russia about Moscow it is said - 'Moscow it is the country in the country' (if is it right on english)
We already do not wonder about prices in the Moscow. Moscow it is the metropolis of country which have one of the big reservoir of the oil! The mad oil-dollars (shal'nye neftedollary) allow consider that people in the russia is rich! BUT it is only for some people which Moscow inhabit!
We already do not wonder about prices in the Moscow. Moscow it is the metropolis of country which have one of the big reservoir of the oil! The mad oil-dollars (shal'nye neftedollary) allow consider that people in the russia is rich! BUT it is only for some people which Moscow inhabit!
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I've never seen fuellers smoking and not sure the controllers are drunk but i do agree the attitude sucks.
We recently stopped using the Vipport transport because it was too expensive only to find that our new provider was being refused access to the terminal to pick us up!
Luckily for me the cost of parking at Vnukovo is so expensive that it is cheaper for us to reposition the aircraft to another country and wait there for the next flight, then position back to moscow! So now i get to standby in an attractive city with better weather, cheaper restuarants and prettier girls.
We recently stopped using the Vipport transport because it was too expensive only to find that our new provider was being refused access to the terminal to pick us up!
Luckily for me the cost of parking at Vnukovo is so expensive that it is cheaper for us to reposition the aircraft to another country and wait there for the next flight, then position back to moscow! So now i get to standby in an attractive city with better weather, cheaper restuarants and prettier girls.
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If you think Vnukovo is bad..............
I think some of you guys are leading too sheltered lives.......... am currently in Vnuk3, and at least I can get fuel, water and a tow I don't actually want. We could really rev this thread up by using V3 as the yardstick, and tossing in even worse places for handling.
It's my turn and I throw in DOHA.....run by morons, more expensive than V3 and so slow that the a/c needs to go on calendar-based maintenance by the time you get airborne again.
Someone else can have a turn now...........................................
It's my turn and I throw in DOHA.....run by morons, more expensive than V3 and so slow that the a/c needs to go on calendar-based maintenance by the time you get airborne again.
Someone else can have a turn now...........................................
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There are loads of places worse than Vnukovo. Luanda and Lagos spring to mind but these places have not just invested billions for GA operators and then it all falls flat cos of ATC, Fuel, etc.
V3 now has the infrastructure to be OK. It's 90% there but the remaining 10% is all so important.
ATC is the biggest problem with simply no idea how to space incoming a/c. How about heading control or speed control before TOD rather than 100 miles of vectors from the downwind leg????
V3 now has the infrastructure to be OK. It's 90% there but the remaining 10% is all so important.
ATC is the biggest problem with simply no idea how to space incoming a/c. How about heading control or speed control before TOD rather than 100 miles of vectors from the downwind leg????
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Hello! The fact is that General Aviation in Russia is absence!!! The Air law-book is prohibit official work, i mean that the firms can't earning. We can meet one's expenses only! Therefore GA in russia is not proper progress!
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V3/Luanda/Lagos
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I have to dissagree with you, V3 is 100 times worse than Luanda and Lagos.
The last time I was in Lagos I was in the Intercon within 45 minutes of landing, the departure was sweet as well. Total bill about $1,800 No visa needed and great catering from the Intercon at a reasonable price
Last time in Luanda really nice handling agent, in and out in 80 minutes. Total bill $500 no visa needed
Last time in Moscow. Depressing, Touch down to hotel 4 hours. (driver could not speak English and took us to the wrong hotel! ) I night stop. Total bill $5,500 including "guarding". This did not include the $500 "fine" (no receipt) for non declaration of currency inbound. Moscow will never join the rest of the world
as a decent place when it is still run by (ex) KGB. And all the crew had visas at vaste expense and agro.Catering a joke
By the way do Russian Crew need Visas for a quick trip to the UK?
On another point; have you noticed that crew visa requirements are inversely proportional to the desire to go to a particular place. e.g. the nastier it is, the more difficult they make it to get in!
Back to V3. Lets have a competition to see who has been charged the most for 1 night in Moscow EXCLUDING hotels. I start with $5,500 (4,150) (HS-125)
I have to dissagree with you, V3 is 100 times worse than Luanda and Lagos.
The last time I was in Lagos I was in the Intercon within 45 minutes of landing, the departure was sweet as well. Total bill about $1,800 No visa needed and great catering from the Intercon at a reasonable price
Last time in Luanda really nice handling agent, in and out in 80 minutes. Total bill $500 no visa needed
Last time in Moscow. Depressing, Touch down to hotel 4 hours. (driver could not speak English and took us to the wrong hotel! ) I night stop. Total bill $5,500 including "guarding". This did not include the $500 "fine" (no receipt) for non declaration of currency inbound. Moscow will never join the rest of the world
as a decent place when it is still run by (ex) KGB. And all the crew had visas at vaste expense and agro.Catering a joke
By the way do Russian Crew need Visas for a quick trip to the UK?
On another point; have you noticed that crew visa requirements are inversely proportional to the desire to go to a particular place. e.g. the nastier it is, the more difficult they make it to get in!
Back to V3. Lets have a competition to see who has been charged the most for 1 night in Moscow EXCLUDING hotels. I start with $5,500 (4,150) (HS-125)
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$100 for some cheap old sandwiches and a couple of cokes inside the Very 'Impotent' Person's terminal...Why do people think they can charge such ridiculous prices?
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Hawker 750.
I won't even begin to bore you with the problems I have had in Luanda and Lagos including the cost of nightstopping so lets just say I was luckier than you in Vnukovo and you were luckier than me in Africa?
Ever been to Vnukovo 2?????
I won't even begin to bore you with the problems I have had in Luanda and Lagos including the cost of nightstopping so lets just say I was luckier than you in Vnukovo and you were luckier than me in Africa?
Ever been to Vnukovo 2?????
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Yes went to V2 in the old days (15 years ago) when V3 did not exist. Service aweful but predictably so and you did not have to pay through the nose for the bad service.
Can one still use V2?
Also, any one here used Ostafyevo UUMO instead of Vnukova? It looks OK, H24 and Customs and pretty close to Moscow city centre. If it works out OK let's boycott Vnukova.
Yes went to V2 in the old days (15 years ago) when V3 did not exist. Service aweful but predictably so and you did not have to pay through the nose for the bad service.
Can one still use V2?
Also, any one here used Ostafyevo UUMO instead of Vnukova? It looks OK, H24 and Customs and pretty close to Moscow city centre. If it works out OK let's boycott Vnukova.
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Ha. Finally I have met somemone else who remembers V2. No one believes me and I was getting to the point where I thought they were right!!!
I think the only way you can use it now is to be the President.
But at least I can go through the day now knowing i wasn't imagining it all those years ago. Thanks!
I think the only way you can use it now is to be the President.
But at least I can go through the day now knowing i wasn't imagining it all those years ago. Thanks!