Club 328 in trouble????
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Legality ?
Does anyone with a knowledge of law know if it is legal to get revenue earned by one company eg. Club 328 into that company then transfer it into another company, instead of using it to keep the first company going and pay off its debts ? A lot of 328's bills were simply ignored and yet it seems money was being put into the second company. Seems like a case of wilful destruction.
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Charterguy...
There is already a small consortium of people taking Crowther/PC to an employment tribunal, plus at least one person submitting an individual claim. However, in the light of recent events, and as several have already said in this forum, the likelihood of getting anything out of the c
t is rapidly reducing by the day.
If it's any consolation, the boys and girls up at Crawley are now looking into the whole sorry state of affairs...more so than before...not heard the last of PC yet.
There is already a small consortium of people taking Crowther/PC to an employment tribunal, plus at least one person submitting an individual claim. However, in the light of recent events, and as several have already said in this forum, the likelihood of getting anything out of the c
t is rapidly reducing by the day.If it's any consolation, the boys and girls up at Crawley are now looking into the whole sorry state of affairs...more so than before...not heard the last of PC yet.
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FlyingGasMain,
As with most things, 'is it legal' entirely depends on the circumstances the transfer of funds was made under.
Having investigated the history of the unfortunate Club 328, Euromanx, J.E.T.S. and 328 S S Gmbh, I can only tell you that what we have uncovered thus far would rather imply the response, " I doubt it".
I'm afraid all those who have suffered loss of jobs or non-payment of invoices are most probaly the victims of a much larger situation which has its roots in CJS, several City business men one of whom is the CEO of an extremely large Defence Contractor and a 'rogue banker', who used to work for one of the 'big 5' banks until he went on 'sick leave' in March 2007.
It has been outlined in the press on several occasions since then and undoubtedly will again once Sky has been here to visit us on the topic.
I'm sure that if we can break the story, there may be a chance for others to also get their money - we are rapidly becoming a 'class action' with London instructed Solicitors.
Presently, we have identified at least 2000 other peeole who have lost money because of all this but that is across a whole range of industries.
CJS was the biggest casualty we have identified thus far having gone down in September 2007 owing the same high street bank £113 million.
The fall and immediate rise of Club 328 in October last year is a casualty akin to the recent demise of Euromanx.
In the words of New Labour's old anthem, (let's hope) that things can only get better for you all.
As with most things, 'is it legal' entirely depends on the circumstances the transfer of funds was made under.
Having investigated the history of the unfortunate Club 328, Euromanx, J.E.T.S. and 328 S S Gmbh, I can only tell you that what we have uncovered thus far would rather imply the response, " I doubt it".
I'm afraid all those who have suffered loss of jobs or non-payment of invoices are most probaly the victims of a much larger situation which has its roots in CJS, several City business men one of whom is the CEO of an extremely large Defence Contractor and a 'rogue banker', who used to work for one of the 'big 5' banks until he went on 'sick leave' in March 2007.
It has been outlined in the press on several occasions since then and undoubtedly will again once Sky has been here to visit us on the topic.
I'm sure that if we can break the story, there may be a chance for others to also get their money - we are rapidly becoming a 'class action' with London instructed Solicitors.
Presently, we have identified at least 2000 other peeole who have lost money because of all this but that is across a whole range of industries.
CJS was the biggest casualty we have identified thus far having gone down in September 2007 owing the same high street bank £113 million.
The fall and immediate rise of Club 328 in October last year is a casualty akin to the recent demise of Euromanx.
In the words of New Labour's old anthem, (let's hope) that things can only get better for you all.
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PaulZenith - if the high street bank you are talking about happens to be HBOS - then historically speaking, they had it coming!
Picking up the pieces of Chauffair should have taught them a lesson long before they got into the ***** with CJS.
Picking up the pieces of Chauffair should have taught them a lesson long before they got into the ***** with CJS.
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It appears on one hand that PC has stepped aside to allow other shareholders to negotiate the final death throes of Club 328 with the administrator. On the AOC side my insider tells me that he has not given up with trying to keep the defunct certificate. Wonder how he will run it with no staff!!!! Maybe he will decide to advertise ...anybody interested??
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My understanding (from a conversation with one of the ex-post holders) is that the AOC is beyond redemption. It is not suspended, it's gone. It was put to me that anyone wishing to resurrect it would have to start from scratch.
Bloody shame really as I'd been asked by someone with real money to find them an AOC. Might have worked out nicely.
Bloody shame really as I'd been asked by someone with real money to find them an AOC. Might have worked out nicely.
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AOC
Check the CAA website, http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...96&pagetype=90
You will see that CLUB 328 are no longer listed, that means they have no AOC.
You will see that CLUB 328 are no longer listed, that means they have no AOC.
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Club 328 - AOC
Actually I have it first hand that the CAA had revoked it as the accountbl mngr told em to. But have now re considered and reinstated the AOC and then just suspended only it on request from the company. Probably to be placed into administration/ then sold off... I hear several deals in the offing.
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As far as I know accountable managers cant ask for revocation. I have it from my insider that the acc manager told the CAA that there was nobody from the post holders in place to support the operation due to lack of salaries and left them to decide what would happen to the AOC. It would be the CAA I would guess who then decided what to do. Either way who would continue to work if the salaries were not forthcoming
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"The three aircraft that were once part of Plane Chartering are all grounded and require a great deal of maintenance expenditure just to get them airworthy. Then if that succeeds do you really think Biggin Hill will let the aircraft depart when they are owed tens of thousands of pounds"
I know for a fact that one of the aircrafts is departing EGKB today. I'm sure if Biggin airport authority were not going to let the aircraft depart they would have turned down the departure request immediately after it was submitted!
I may be wrong. We'll have to wait and see.
I know for a fact that one of the aircrafts is departing EGKB today. I'm sure if Biggin airport authority were not going to let the aircraft depart they would have turned down the departure request immediately after it was submitted!
I may be wrong. We'll have to wait and see.
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Unfortunately its greed that keeps this lot going as they are paying astronomical salaries to fly "private" trips. Im amazed that some Captains forget to look behind them when they strap the machine to thier arse and ask the simple question ..who are my passengers and then what the hell will happen if I get ramp checked. The sad thing is that some of thier operating crews are what you would call good guys
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So what happens to the likes of WVS and TS and RS they are the dudes that started this downfall... Club328, Euromanx the boats down in Nice, the banker what happened to him, that went quite...
I mean really...
I mean really...
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Exactly: a DIFFERENT aoc and a DIFFERENT company!
Its a private plane NOT owned by PC and therefore now has nothing to do with him. All bills are being paid, not like before.
The other 2 Citations though ARE his and should probably be duly avoided (that is if someone ever puts the engine back on one!).
PC has never and will never have anything to do with the company which is now operating the 3rd aircraft.
T.
Its a private plane NOT owned by PC and therefore now has nothing to do with him. All bills are being paid, not like before.
The other 2 Citations though ARE his and should probably be duly avoided (that is if someone ever puts the engine back on one!).
PC has never and will never have anything to do with the company which is now operating the 3rd aircraft.
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Chaps......lets try and keep up with fatcs here..... G-JMDW was and never has been owned by PC, he leased it from a private owner who is also on these forums, he also lost money to PC, the reason PC took it on lease was SOVA was going to be in for a long time and may in fact never come out....
JMDW is a private owned aircraft fully certified to operate public transport and is SHAG all to do with PC or any supposed Phonix....... No story im afraid as it is back on SL's AOC....
Remember with an aircraft that is on an AOC - absolutely anyone can offer that aircraft through any medium....... they are just a broker no matter what company they came from.... the aircraft owner and some employees are trying to put an aircraft back to work.... this is NOT PC.
JMDW is a private owned aircraft fully certified to operate public transport and is SHAG all to do with PC or any supposed Phonix....... No story im afraid as it is back on SL's AOC....
Remember with an aircraft that is on an AOC - absolutely anyone can offer that aircraft through any medium....... they are just a broker no matter what company they came from.... the aircraft owner and some employees are trying to put an aircraft back to work.... this is NOT PC.