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Cheap? Which side of the fence are you standing? If it's the Pilot's side then i think the hope is that they aren't cheap and that they will be rewarding the Pilots with what they deserve as paid professionals who have sacrificed a lot. Firstly to get where they are and secondly to help a company like Bjets get itself off the ground! (Excuse the pun) A company that deals in aviation needs to remember that without the Pilots, it ain't gonna do much aviating!
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I might be going back a few pages here but people seem to be under the impression that all the pilots will be of Asain background. I bumped into a few of their CJ guys the other day and all were white British guys and seemed to be nice enough fellows! They seemed fairly happy with their progress and were hoping to get some time on type prior to leaving for India.
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OK I did not put it well. I am working in large LCC and the rules here are insane - low per diems etc etc. You can tell a good company by the way they make small decisions and big ones. Secondly, I must be honest having an asian aviation company with all expensive management expats means the cost is huge (with housing scholl etc) so the revenues must make and or exceed - no? Why so many expats (and do not say that all asians are not capable - as I am eurasian). Please advise.
Thanks just asking please no one take offense.
Thanks just asking please no one take offense.
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Bad News
Chief Pilot leaving this week.
Director of Maintenance leaving this week (2nd one in a few months).
CJ Fleet Manager leaving this week.
A number of experienced captains to follow.
Director of Maintenance leaving this week (2nd one in a few months).
CJ Fleet Manager leaving this week.
A number of experienced captains to follow.
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BJets - interview expenses?
Did anybody get their expenses refunded for attending BJets interviews at Gatwick?
I haven't had mine, despite several promises from them.
It leaves a bad smell. I know many airlines don't pay interview expenses, but at least they say so up front. It is sneaky to invite people to interview, tell them that expenses will be refunded, and then not refund them. I hope this is not the case with BJets and that they will eventually pay up....
I haven't had mine, despite several promises from them.
It leaves a bad smell. I know many airlines don't pay interview expenses, but at least they say so up front. It is sneaky to invite people to interview, tell them that expenses will be refunded, and then not refund them. I hope this is not the case with BJets and that they will eventually pay up....
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Stalled at the first hurdle? Not a chance.
Hang on in their chaps, lets not let the smaller short term/tactical hiccups corrupt the bigger picture. 
By the time Bjets management have gone through their "transition" phase then the DGCA may have re-considered their position on expat FOs.
Tata and Briley have invested a lot of $$$s in to this venture - they know what the potential gain is - so they will not let Bjets fall at its inception because of initial upsets.
It just means it may take a little longer to get that FO job than originally thought.
By the time Bjets management have gone through their "transition" phase then the DGCA may have re-considered their position on expat FOs.
Tata and Briley have invested a lot of $$$s in to this venture - they know what the potential gain is - so they will not let Bjets fall at its inception because of initial upsets.
It just means it may take a little longer to get that FO job than originally thought.
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"Hang on in their chaps, lets not let the smaller short term/tactical hiccups corrupt the bigger picture...."
I admire your optimism if nothing else..
How do you figure a mass workout by management post holders, a short term hiccup? There has to be something very, very wrong with an outfit that vets staff, employs them, then screw them around to the extent they all walk out!! Come on man get grip. Maybe you think, just employ more of the same and everything will be OK?
"Hang on in their chaps, lets not let the smaller short term/tactical hiccups corrupt the bigger picture...."
I admire your optimism if nothing else..
How do you figure a mass workout by management post holders, a short term hiccup? There has to be something very, very wrong with an outfit that vets staff, employs them, then screw them around to the extent they all walk out!! Come on man get grip. Maybe you think, just employ more of the same and everything will be OK?
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Loose cannons still going off? Keep your powder dry!
Weido_ Salt,
I think you will find the $$$s Tata & Briley have invested + the fact its a new start up with an opportunity to make something big happen will be incentive enough for others managers to look at BJets as a serious option. Especially given the recent turn of events.
I am quite positive that the guys/girls who oversee BJets will also learn from the "mass workout" (or did you mean walkout?) - perhaps called an industry learning curve? I will not put a timeframe against this learning curve but - given problems which effect revenue - they will look to solve it initially ad hoc. They are use to these kinds of difficulties - although they may not have been aware of them in this industry.
Do not be put off by the practicalities to deny fiscal gain. There is always a way forward when it comes to $$$s. And there are always people willing to step up to the challenge.
Its not easy, in fact its near on impossible, to be sucessful but those who stick at it whilst everyone falls by the wayside will win. The world owes you nothing and some people who recognise this commercial reality benefit. Perhaps, on this occassion, not you.
Did you really think these guys would splash cash randomly and then just simply walk away shrugging their shoulders at the first sign of difficulty? If I am wrong (and I am always happy to put my hands up and admit my mistake) then it would say something about the 2 companies involved that large finicial institutions have not identified. Not likely. They have got where they are today with a lot more commercial nout and tenacity than you or I or any individual disgruntled (rightly or wrongly) with the current operation.
Happy to discuss my experiences on these matters on a one to one private basis. In the meantime may I suggest you keep your cool and watch how things develop rather than panicking?
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I think you will find the $$$s Tata & Briley have invested + the fact its a new start up with an opportunity to make something big happen will be incentive enough for others managers to look at BJets as a serious option. Especially given the recent turn of events.
I am quite positive that the guys/girls who oversee BJets will also learn from the "mass workout" (or did you mean walkout?) - perhaps called an industry learning curve? I will not put a timeframe against this learning curve but - given problems which effect revenue - they will look to solve it initially ad hoc. They are use to these kinds of difficulties - although they may not have been aware of them in this industry.
Do not be put off by the practicalities to deny fiscal gain. There is always a way forward when it comes to $$$s. And there are always people willing to step up to the challenge.
Its not easy, in fact its near on impossible, to be sucessful but those who stick at it whilst everyone falls by the wayside will win. The world owes you nothing and some people who recognise this commercial reality benefit. Perhaps, on this occassion, not you.
Did you really think these guys would splash cash randomly and then just simply walk away shrugging their shoulders at the first sign of difficulty? If I am wrong (and I am always happy to put my hands up and admit my mistake) then it would say something about the 2 companies involved that large finicial institutions have not identified. Not likely. They have got where they are today with a lot more commercial nout and tenacity than you or I or any individual disgruntled (rightly or wrongly) with the current operation.
Happy to discuss my experiences on these matters on a one to one private basis. In the meantime may I suggest you keep your cool and watch how things develop rather than panicking?
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We shall see...
Regardless of how much money has been thrown at the operation, it is no guarantee of success, if they have the wrong key people overseeing (hamstringing) the operation.
Regardless of how much money has been thrown at the operation, it is no guarantee of success, if they have the wrong key people overseeing (hamstringing) the operation.
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Well the CP walked and the company are now in firefighting mode. I think there are more surprises to come though.
Hope they get it together soon. A lot of people are sitting at home waiting to go to work.
Hope they get it together soon. A lot of people are sitting at home waiting to go to work.
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Are they paid, though? I mean, the people who have signed the employement offer, the bond agreement and given all their document (including bank account 
) to BJets, are they paid while waiting at home?
) to BJets, are they paid while waiting at home?
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Are they being paid?
Treetopflyer.
The people that were Type Rated by Bjets,and have signed all the relavent paperwork,including the bond,are indeed being paid. In the case of some people ,this has been 6 months or more.
The people that were Type Rated by Bjets,and have signed all the relavent paperwork,including the bond,are indeed being paid. In the case of some people ,this has been 6 months or more.
